Theory??
So what if the films aren't made by TMITHC and actually are retrieved by people who travel to alternate realities like Tagomi and his assistant. TMITHC is the man who collects them and Hitler wanted them too
shareI think it's pretty clearly established by dialogue between Abendsen (TMitHC) and Juliana early in the second season that the films are in fact retrieved and not made. The big questions to me are (a) are more people besides Abendsen involved in retrieving the films (and, if so, do they have different agendas); and (b) how did Hitler become aware of the films in the first place to know they were worth collecting?
shareHow how the sister is Alive ? That still has me confused
shareHow how the sister is Alive ? That still has me confused
Juliana killed (shot) George Dixon.
That action changed the timeline. It prevented the destruction of San Francisco, too.
That seems to be the idea of the series, to depict how different actions lead to different outcomes.
Some are better, some are worse.
The problem for the characters is to find the right action so the Nazis and Japanese will be defeated in the end without too much bloodshed. share
Juliana killed (shot) George Dixon.
That action changed the timeline. It prevented the destruction of San Francisco, too.
Juliana killing George Dixon had nothing to do with any of this.
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The action changed the timeline* (more precisely of all the possible timelines the optimal one -where half the world was not nuked- manifested) but it did not -and could not- change the past of that timeline. Her sister in the end is obviously from "our" reality, the one when the Allies won WW2. Her sister in her own timeline is and will always be dead.
*Perhaps reality, as in parallel reality, is a more suitable world. There are at least two realities running in parallel. Up until ~1944 they were the same reality, and from then on they split into two realities, one when the Nazis and Japanese lost and one when they won. The word "timeline" is better reserved for all the possible catastrophic ones that did not happen, and thus were erased (along with their films, I'd presume).
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I'm pretty sure that either that's an alternate timeline version of Trudy or it's the TMitHC-timeline version of Trudy and an alternate timeline version was who was killed, but we'll have to wait another 11 months or so to find out....
shareI'm pretty sure that either that's an alternate timeline version of Trudy or it's the TMitHC-timeline version of Trudy and an alternate timeline version was who was killed, but we'll have to wait another 11 months or so to find out....
The former, I think.
(I'm using the term reality rather than timeline, but we're talking about the same thing.)
I said the same as you earlier, but it was pointed out that someone crosses over only after their version in their alternate reality has died. Tagomi can cross over because his alternate self previously committed suicide. Alternate Trudy can cross over because the prime version was shot.
So the Trudy we saw in s2e10 was the alternate reality version crossed over to Juliana's prime timeline.
The Trudy we saw shot in s1e1 could not have been the alternate Trudy, since the alternate can't cross over until the prime dies. That would mean that both had died.
Let's NOT EVEN consider what's supposed to happen if there are more than two realities!
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This version of Hitler is really intriguing too, I'm curious as to how his character changed due to watching all the films. He could believably have turned into a pacifist with a lifetime of regrets for what he did, even. But couldn't bring himself to do anything about the mess he created, perhaps.
On a side note, I want to see Obergruppenführer Smith return season 3 as an unkempt slob, having just binge-watched the entire vault of films. I think it would make his character extremely relatable.
Yes! This show makes you THINK! So many angles to it. I absolutely love this show but don't have any friends that watch it! Thank God for IMDB! Your second comment..... Bahahahaha
share+Doran: I really don't think Hitler would never evolve into a pacifist or feel any remorse. He was a narcissistic psychopath who felt justified in every atrocity he ever committed. Years of dedicated emotional therapy, a regimen of prescribed therapeutical drugs and even shock treatment probably wouldn't be very effective on someone as effed up as Adolph Hitler. I'd love to see a professional psychiatrist's opinion on this.
shareI also have a theory that they are retrieving more than just films. I think they are retrieving records and books too. I suspect that's how Abendsen is listening to Calender Girl, which was written and recorded in 1960. It is very unlikely that Neil Sedaka would have lived that long under Nazi rule, let alone been allowed to record it. Some of the banned books in the Japanese library are editions published in our reality in 1958-1960.
shareI also have a theory that they are retrieving more than just films. I think they are retrieving records and books too. I suspect that's how Abendsen is listening to Calender Girl, which was written and recorded in 1960. It is very unlikely that Neil Sedaka would have lived that long under Nazi rule, let alone been allowed to record it.
It's been pointed out that Sedaka could have existed, just as a closeted Jew (as Frank mostly was at the start of Season 1).
But I had forgotten that it was Abendsen playing the record! If so, yes, there's no reason why items brought over need to be limited to cans of film reels.
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Yes but Frank was a closeted Jew in the PSA. Sedaka would have been just 8 years old in Brooklyn in 1947.
shareThe Nazis won the war in 1947. The show takes place in 1962.
But the Sedaka record could still have come from an alternate reality, either way.
Brevity is the soul of wit.
That's my point. Sedaka (and the rest of his family) would most likely not have survived under Nazi rule until 1960 when the song was recorded so the record must have come from an alternate reality.
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