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their Bikini Atoll is still in its original, unexploded form? Surely they used recent spy plane footage in planning their attack on the Japanese, even though the Marshall Islands wouldn't have been a high priority target.

I cant' wait to see how John worms his way out of that one.

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John's trick saved the Reich from an endless war trying to pacify a chaotic radioactive zone made up of half the world. It also seemingly put Himmler in power and Himmler is probably happy about this.

The Japanese were contained, less technologically advanced and from what I could see friendly to the Reich until threatened with nuclear attack in the first place. Even with some nuclear weapons, they have slower, shorter range planes and no rockets.

The whole idea of this war was crazy even by Nazi standards. At most, I could see trying to unify North America, but with the North American Reich including most of Canada, I'd see even that as a waste of lives and resources.

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Surely they used recent spy plane footage in planning their attack on the Japanese, even though the Marshall Islands wouldn't have been a high priority target.


Spy plane flying from where?

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Why don't you link Google Earth of the atoll and point out the damage to us?

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Per the world map we see in the show (http://atlanticsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/The-Man-in-the-High-Castle-map.jpg), the Pacific is basically a Japanese lake. The Germans would not likely be operating spy planes thousands of miles inside Japanese airspace. The main way the deception might be exposed is if the Germans realize that there's been no increase in atmospheric radiation readings, but that would take several days to confirm, by which point Himmler might have solidified his control enough that he wouldn't care.

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Would it even be possible to hide an explosion like this? The Germans must have had spies everywhere in the Empire. Plus seismographs and radiation monitors would have picked up something, right?

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Would it even be possible to hide an explosion like this? The Germans must have had spies everywhere in the Empire. Plus seismographs and radiation monitors would have picked up something, right?

When Goebbels asked Smith when the test was done, Smith said it could have been years ago. The Germans could have thought that possibly too much time had passed to be SURE that the Japanese did not develop a hydrogen bomb sometime over those several years, and the German intelligence community missed it.

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If the Japanese actually had the hydrogen bomb they would have trumpeted that news. After all, they knew the Germans considered them vulnerable and the only thing holding them back was an aging and dying Hitler. No way they would have kept this secret. In our timeline the Soviets made no secret of their nuclear weapons to deter us.

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If the Japanese actually had the hydrogen bomb they would have trumpeted that news.


Are you willing to stake the survival of your empire on that opinion? How about your own life?

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I can easily envision an argument for keeping its existence quiet while you build up a stockpile of weapons though. Immediately announcing that you've developed the ability manufacture nuclear weapons runs the risk of an already nuclear-armed enemy launching a first strike on you to prevent you from assembling a sufficient deterrent. (This almost happened in real life between the Soviet Union and China in the mid-to-late 1960s -- the Soviets contemplated nuking Chinese nuclear facilities to stop China from building up its nuclear arsenal.)

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I can easily envision an argument for keeping its existence quiet while you build up a stockpile of weapons though. Immediately announcing that you've developed the ability manufacture nuclear weapons runs the risk of an already nuclear-armed enemy launching a first strike on you to prevent you from assembling a sufficient deterrent.


Uh, that wasn't an entry-level nuclear weapon, that was the "super". Having that implies an already very advanced nuclear weapons program, which would lead one to wonder why the Japanese haven't mentioned it.

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