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Songs and other things I didn't get (SPOILERS)


So I beat the game, and I have a couple questions about the song choices. First off, in the beginning, you see some men singing "God Only Knows" by the Beach Boys, which, in case you didn't know, came out way after the events in the game. Second, why does the song "Fortunate Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival play when Elizabeth opens that tear? Also, at the end baptism/drowning scene, why doesn't Elizabeth have her pendant on? And, what significance does the brief scene after the end credits have? And lastly, how old exactly is Booker? If he and Comstock are the same person, (and therefore the same age), then why does Comstock look so much older. Oh yeah, and where did Elizabeth get her powers?

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Okay...

"First off, in the beginning, you see some men singing "God Only Knows" by the Beach Boys, which, in case you didn't know, came out way after the events in the game. Second, why does the song "Fortunate Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival play when Elizabeth opens that tear?"

Jeremiah Fink's brother is hearing music from the future through certain tears. He then passes it off as his own. There a quite a few modern day songs that have been reworked in Columbia.




"Also, at the end baptism/drowning scene, why doesn't Elizabeth have her pendant on?"

Sorry, no clue.




"And, what significance does the brief scene after the end credits have?"

Booker and Anna have a second chance.




"And lastly, how old exactly is Booker? If he and Comstock are the same person, (and therefore the same age), then why does Comstock look so much older."

In one of the Voxophone recordings, Lutece says how his cancer and exposure to their device have aged Comstock drastically.




"Oh yeah, and where did Elizabeth get her powers?"

She got her powers by being split between worlds. Her pinky staying in Booker's world and the rest of her in Columbia.

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Thanks. I guess that makes sense. That pendant part is still pissing me off though

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First off, in the beginning, you see some men singing "God Only Knows" by the Beach Boys, which, in case you didn't know, came out way after the events in the game. - As you've beaten the game, you had to get to the part where you and Elizabeth travel to Rapture, the underwater city from Bioshock (the original). This was set in the 1930s, a good 20 years after Infinite. Time travel is incredibly possible in this universe. Early on, you also see Elizabeth open a tear showing the Eifel Tower (and eventually, an ambulance careening directly at her so she closes it) If you pay close attention, the Marquee in the background is advertising a movie - in french obviously - translated, it would read "The Revenge of the Jedi" - the ORIGINAL title of the movie, but was changed in OUR universe (also, 1982!)


Second, why does the song "Fortunate Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival play when Elizabeth opens that tear? Because it is playing on the other side of the tear, and the sound passed through it. See my longwinded first answer.

Also, at the end baptism/drowning scene, why doesn't Elizabeth have her pendant on? Because this isn't YOUR Elizabeth. That was the WHOLE point of choosing the medallion, to show you that this, even though she was dressed similarly, was not the Elizabeth you had looked after all game, this was an alternate version. If you remember, VERY early on (before any fighting takes place) you talk to the Lutece's, who flip a coin, which comes up heads. Rosalind marks off a tick on the heads side of the chalkboard Robert is wearing, and if you count all the other tick marks, and assume these all refer to previous attempts the Lutece's made to intervene in a Booker's fate, there were 122 failed attempts. I assume Elizabeth still lived in most of those failed attempts, and as such, there are a good ~100 Elizabeths out there, with no Booker left alive to save them. These are just some of those Elizabeths.

And, what significance does the brief scene after the end credits have? Well, it's hard to explain briefly but I'll try. Universe A, Booker accepts the baptism and becomes Comstock. He then travels to Universe B to kidnap Anna. Anna would only exist in a universe where he had REJECTED the baptism. So by killing the bookers that would become Comstock, you have freed Booker from his loop, and he and Anna are allowed to live a normal, peaceful life.

And lastly, how old exactly is Booker? No idea. Not clearly spelled out.
If he and Comstock are the same person, (and therefore the same age) - not necessarily have to be the same age, time travel and whatnot. Assuming that they in fact ARE the same age

Then why does Comstock look so much older. - The Lutece's experiments gave him Cancer (it is referred to in many Voxophones, earliest on in the one where Comstock speaks about Elizabeth raining Fire on the Mountains of Man, and he won't be around to see it, the Tumors are the vehicle to deliver him into heaven or something along those lines.

Oh yeah, and where did Elizabeth get her powers? Her powers were granted by being spread across two universes. In lamens terms, her Pinky remaining in her Birth universe, and her elsewhere, gave her the ability to tear open dimensional rifts. This is hinted at heavily by Voxophones recorded by Rosalind.

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Thanks for the info. I only collected 10 or so voxophones on my first playthrough. I collected nearly all of them the second time around and I'm getting it much better.

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So I beat the game, and I have a couple questions about the song choices. First off, in the beginning, you see some men singing "God Only Knows" by the Beach Boys, which, in case you didn't know, came out way after the events in the game. Second, why does the song "Fortunate Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival play when Elizabeth opens that tear?


The music is as there are alternate universes and timelines.
Just cos in "our world" "God Only Knows" was by the Beach Boys, does not mean it's the same in the universe the game is set in.

My fave modern music in the game was the version of "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" during the beach sequence, while Elizabeth is running around...having fun.

Also, at the end baptism/drowning scene, why doesn't Elizabeth have her pendant on?


Cos it's not the same Elizabeth.

And, what significance does the brief scene after the end credits have?


My view was this...

Well if Booker/Comshock die and Anna/Elizabeth is never born. Then none of the events in the game can/do happen.
Which means that Booker/Comshock does not learn his fate and lives his life as "normal", which means Anna/Elizabeth is born and sold and events play out as the game shows.

Basically an INFINITE loop.

I took the end credit sequence to show Booker before selling Anna, everything just keeps looping.

And lastly, how old exactly is Booker? If he and Comstock are the same person, (and therefore the same age), then why does Comstock look so much older.


Cos it's an alternate universe.
Comstock would have had a different upbringing, a different life. So would not look the same as Booker.

And so, God came forth and proclaimed widescreen is the best.
Sony 16:9

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"Comstock would have had a different upbringing, a different life. So would not look the same as Booker"


No, they had the EXACT same upbringing and life. Comstock did not exist until Booker was baptised. The real answers are in the first two responses.

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This was set in the 1930s, a good 20 years after Infinite.


Not to be nitpicking here, but Bioshock was set in 1960. Which is when you see it in Infinite as well, as evidenced by the state it's in and all the discarded protest-signs on the floor.


Re the tears: You could argue that Columbia's got more than "just" music from alternate times/universes. The Vigors and how they came to be are never really explained in the story. In another discussion I've read on the web, someone pointed out that they may just be re-labelled plasmids from Rapture, which were obtained through a tear. Which of course wouldn't explain why we get slightly different powers in Infinite, but that's the beauty of parallel universes: You can pretty much explain anything away.. :)

EDIT: Just picked up a voice-recording during my second playthrough in which Fink talks to his brother who is "stealing" music through the tears and then adds that he is currently observing a genius biologist. Which is a pretty clear hint that he's actually watching that female scientist from Rapture (forgot her name), who came up with the whole Plasmid-thing.


S.

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