If you are both healthy, bareback is fine
If both people are healthy, there is no need to wear a condom to protect yourself from STD's. There are no STD's there to begin with, and thus no transmission can occur.
shareIf both people are healthy, there is no need to wear a condom to protect yourself from STD's. There are no STD's there to begin with, and thus no transmission can occur.
shareSure but you can't take their word for it because 1. Some people will lie, and 2. There is a chance you have something and don't know it yet.
If you are in a monogamous relationship and haven't had sex with someone else for the last 6 months and have gotten yourself tested, then it should be pretty safe to stop using it.
I've heard some people say they would never stop using one even in a monogamous relationship because there is always a chance the other one would cheat. Personally I could not live like that. Every time you have sex with the person with a condom it's pretty much sending the message that you don't trust him/her.
Instead of looking at it like that: ("Every time you have sex with the person with a condom it's pretty much sending the message that you don't trust him/her")...why not look at it like this: I respect you (and myself) enough to use protection...each and every time. Not because I don't trust you, but because I want our passion for one another to nurture us instead of bring suspicion and harm.
share"Looking at it that way" doesn't change the fact that the root of it is not trusting your lover.
I'm sorry but I can settle for using a condom for one night stands (which does decrease the pleasure, lets not lie) but never ever being able to have sex with my boyfriend/husband without having a piece of latex separating us is something I just can't imagine doing.
We all have different levels of safety standards and often we put our safety into the hands of others. There is a point where you are being safe but there also becomes a point where you are sacrificing too much for it and it's borderline paranoia. Allowing yourself to have unprotected sex with your lover, although possible to end badly, is hardly high risk behavior.
"Looking at it that way" doesn't change the fact that the root of it is not trusting your lover.
I'm sorry but I can settle for using a condom for one night stands (which does decrease the pleasure, lets not lie) but never ever being able to have sex with my boyfriend/husband without having a piece of latex separating us is something I just can't imagine doing.
We all have different levels of safety standards and often we put our safety into the hands of others. There is a point where you are being safe but there also becomes a point where you are sacrificing too much for it and it's borderline paranoia. Allowing yourself to have unprotected sex with your lover, although possible to end badly, is hardly high risk behavior. If I can't trust my lover then that's it, no ground for relationship anymore.
No need to apologize for defending your point of view. I'm just one of those who doesn't find that using a condom decreases my pleasure (in any measurable ratio against what I gain from using one) and who also doesn't equate using one (even within a long-term relationship) as a form of distrust. I was also just saying that I've found that the practice of committing to using a condom can mitigate the possibility of unwarranted mistrust and actually increase the intimacy between partners.
would you be saying this to a female/male couple as well to wear condoms at all times?? you do realise straight people have hiv and infact nearly more than gay people so theres more or less the same chance of catching something from a straight person than a gay person?
PLUS straight people only go get checked up if they show symptoms of something maybe a itch etc etc its rare they go for check ups regular on the off chance
And no matter how nice you say what you said...its still the same thing...you do not trust them to not sleep around so really you need to be single if you don't trust them
That's nonsense.
Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men of all races and ethnicities remain the population most profoundly affected by HIV.
Although gay/bi men represent about 4% of the male population in the United States, in 2010, men who have sex with men accounted for 78% of new HIV infections among males and 63% of all new infections. Gay/bi men accounted for 52% of all people living with HIV infection in 2009.
http://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/hiv-aids-101/statistics/
Every time you have sex with the person with a condom it's pretty much sending the message that you don't trust him/her.
Worth the risk.
Yes it is possible to be cheated on and get HIV. But its still unlikely.
But yeah none of us take the safest possible option in every aspect of life. ALL of us to some degree sacrifice safety for things like comfort or pleasure. Some more than others, but we all do it up to a point.
Most people do something more dangerous in their life than not using a condom in a monogamous relationship.
And to be honest I'm quite tired of being expected to use a condom every single time I have sex for the rest of my life just because I'm gay. Like 90% of heterosexual couples will not use a condom if the woman is on the pill or either one has had their tubes tied. In those cases it's even quite common in one night stands since most heteros are mainly thinking of avoiding pregnancy rather than STD's.
I do take more precaution in my sex life than most heteros I know. The reason being that I am a part of a risk group. But there also comes a point where enough is enough. Like indirectly accusing your spouse of being unfaithful every time you make love.
'If both people are healthy, there is no need to wear a condom to protect yourself from STD's. There are no STD's there to begin with, and thus no transmission can occur.'
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There you go again, SAME as the other thread. You're denial of AIDS is irresponsible and self-entitled. Tranlation: you want to have anal sex because it's what you want. Either that, or you are delusional. You have no idea if your partner has an STD.
Have any real problems, aside from not being able to have anal sex? How deprived you are.
He said if both people are healthy. That's a correct statement.
Though I don't think people should risk it with one night stands and friends with benefits. A person can look healthy and still have it (especially these days). Plus you are most infectious shortly after getting it, when you are likely to not know you do.
Not allowing yourself to have non-condom sex with a long-time monogamous lover is something I can't settle for. And I believe most won't. To be on the safer side you should use a condom the first 6 months and then get tested, before doing it bare. Of course there is a chance you will be cheated on but I can't imagine being in a relationship where I assume he's not trustworthy and pretty much sending the message I don't trust him every time a condom is used.
In general in life we have a ratio of safety and risk and just like with many different examples I won't lie about this one. We all up to a point sacrifice some safety for comfort or pleasure. I drive a car rather than taking the bus (which is safer). I eat healthy 90% of the time but occasionally I treat myself with something not so healthy. And yes, I use a condom when I have one night stands but not in a relationship. I know it's not PC to say this out loud, but I know plenty of people, probably most, feel the same way.
Any chance of asking why it's compulsory to have anal sex in the first place? It's not like a chemical-addiction or something of that sort. If you could not have anal sex does that mean you would decline sex?( all or nothing)
shareI often have sex without doing anal. But never having anal again in my life is a different story.
The stimulation of the prostate is pretty much the strongest orgasm men can experience. It's also mental though so you won't replace that with a dildo. I don't really consider oral to be *beep* although it's a sexual act. Since men don't have vagina that's the only way for two men to have that type of penetration.
Although oral sex or even just mutual masturbation can be fine... it's just not comparable to anal sex for me and a lot of other people. Some gay men don't like it and that's fine for them but that's just not me.
Again I point out the balance between safety and enjoyment/comfort. There are endless ways we can be just a little more safer in so many fields of life... but we don't always choose the extreme end of safety. All of us in some ways bring down the strength of safety for comfort or pleasure. On the scale of having regular bareback with strangers to having sex with a condom in a monogamous relationship, I'd say I'm on the safer side of the scale.
Actually using a condom with your partner isn't the opposite side of the scale. The safest option would be not to have sex at all. You could say that you are making room for some risk by having sex with a condom, it's just less of a risk. Different people have a different line and I don't think we should judge everyone who are somewhat lower on it than we are.
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Thank you for explaining.
I find it fascinating that what is great for one person, is repulsive to another. Not only is anal-sex physically of no interest to me, but also the mental-aspect of it. It's not always due to conditioning. I don't value the "penetration" thing; I am more excited by the visual. There are people who are in disbelief that you don't enjoy this act-- since they enjoy it so much, they don't understand why you don't.(which can be said for many things)
I don't mean to sound superior about it, but this part of the body is where feces exits, and is still present in the canal even if you bath. I don't know, maybe my senses are too heightened, which is not always a good thing.
And Rascal:
I agree with that. But since most gay men do engage in it(so it seems) it would tend to make people assume they all so. For example, if a hetero visited a gay sex-site and that's all they saw, it would make an impression
since most gay men do engage in it(so it seems) it would tend to make people assume they all so. For example, if a hetero visited a gay sex-site and that's all they saw, it would make an impression
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This is where the line blurs for me, between what is sex and what is just fu@k!n$. Lets face it, fu@kin$ is a base and animalistic act, even if it is human nature. I, like you, appreciate the visual and revelling in all aspects of what a persons body and being can represent.
I would say majority of gay men engage in anal sex and yes most gay porn has both oral and anal sex.
There are ways to be clean down there. It is important to me that the guy bottoming is hygienic. Accidents can happen but they are more rare than most people think.
Btw the mouth isn't "designed" for sex either yet most people seem to engage in oral sex. The mouth also has more bacteria than the anus.
'Btw the mouth isn't "designed" for sex either yet most people seem to engage in oral sex. The mouth also has more bacteria than the anus'
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I can't compare saliva(from a clean mouth) with feces. When you deep-kiss, that is not a parallel comparison to deep-kissing a rectum.
Have to say: it sounds depressing. Gay life is lonely enough, but you add this factor and it limits it further. If one has to sacrifice a potential relationship because they know one partner cannot sexually deliver what the other needs, unless it is an open relationship, that means no monogamy.
Well would you kiss someone that doesn't brush his or her teeth? Hygiene is important.
It's not difficult at all to prepare so there is no present/visible feces or smell.
Just my take on it. Not trying to convert you or anything :)
Btw most people that have anal sex are heterosexual and probably more straight men would like to than the ones that get to. The rate per person is higher though with gay men.
What you say goes for people in general though. You will never meet a person that is 100% on the same level as you sexually. For some too much difference in taste can rule out a relationship and this is not limited to gay men at all. Relationship isn't all sex but there is no denying it is a big part and there is nothing wrong with that.
If you could not have anal sex does that mean you would decline sex?
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It is not for everyone; but I don't see it as an issue, if it is an enjoyable experience for some partners. I do question the safety and health risks involved and feel that wearing a rubber, should be a pre-requisite condition upon practice of this form of sexual penetration.......random or monogamous partners. This is only common sense.
My frustration over the act of anal sex and the mindset of many; is that "all" gay men engage in this practice and that being "gay" is all about "buttfu@k!n$". I see this as a naive, ignorant, deluded and prejudiced attitude to take.
Why would a hetero couple have vaginal sex if they aren't trying to have a kid?
share"but I know plenty of people, probably most, feel the same way"....(not judging your personal decisions) but I sure hope that's not true.
Condoms have the ability to potentially "spoil" the heat of a spontaneous moment, but most of the time that's due to one's ineptitude regarding sex in general. After a condom is applied, there's virtually no difference in sensation to either partner. It's primarily a mental "thing" to cling to the belief that sex just "feels" better without one.
You've stated more than once now that you believe the use of a condom between you and a long-term partner is sending the message that you don't trust him. I wish you could get past looking at it in that way.
I can't get pass what it is, just that.
And it's BS that it feels the same way.
There is safety and then there is paranoia.
For someone to create this post on this board I have to ask, 'did you watch this movie?'
shareif serious quite possibly the dumbest post ever. whoever pays your internet bill should be slapped at least twice.
shareIt's unfortunate but you really can't trust anyone. And there is no such thing as safe sex because even condoms aren't always reliable. If you are in a monogamous relationship, get tested together on a regular basis.
shareYes, I can trust myself. I'm completely healthy. And so are the people I choose to have sex with. So there.
share'Yes, I can trust myself. I'm completely healthy. And so are the people I choose to have sex with. So there'
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You have so much to learn , my young tyke. You see, this is exactly why you would be sitting around wondering "why?" after you got Aids, as you deal with that unrelenting, irresistible drive to have anal sex. How dare you go without it. Yes, trustworthiness is such a "common" trait. Now, go in the other room.
You have so much to learn , my young tyke.
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You just know that you are dealing with a wet behind the ears, simpleminded creature, when they end a post with "so there". jason... can bring up some interesting topics, just not a very valid or intelligent manner of expressing himself.
I don't gamble with my health. Many gay men do, and this includes using drugs.
shareGay men don't statistically use drugs any more than any other demographic. And your contention that you could possibly know whether a partner was going to cheat on you or not and so you feel comfortable relying on that exclusively as a safety net against STDs is just a testament to your naïveté and immaturity. As is your closing barb of "So there" in an earlier post.
Yes, monogamy is a good approach to safety where sex is concerned. No it is not a guarantee. There is no such thing. The only way to 100% guarantee you won't get an STD is to not have sex. To claim otherwise is as ill informed as it is childish.
true BUT if its sleeping with random people then obviously they may not know they have hiv
did you know that if someone sleeps with someone this minute and catches HIV off them an they go get tested in 1 week, 3 weeks maybe 2 months time that test could very well come back negative....BECAUSE the hiv virus can take 3 months to show in your blood
so that person could think they are ok and go sleep with someone else and assume there ok and pass it on
>>> If both are healthy, there is no need to wear a condom to protect yourself from STD's.
So you are saying if neither partner has h.i.v. (or any other std) then there is no risk of h.i.v. (or any other std)??
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know what else?? If there is no bullet in the gun, it is perfectly safe to play russian roulette.
But unless you are 100% sure there is no bullet in the gun, you might want to be wary about playing.
In other words, you might want to use a condom.
So many ignorant comments in this thread. Using a condom for me is like wearing a seat belt. It's there to protect you in case you or the other driver has an accident. It has nothing to do with trust. At all. It's a heath precaution.
People lie all the time. How can you watch this movie and not want to use a condom every time?
The Eraser room does two things: Cleans erasers and takes our innocence.
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