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I have so much respect for actors who challenge themselves


Ruffalo playing a gay man and even Matt Bomer playing a straight man on White Collar is no easy task. That is the ultimate in playing against type.






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I don't see how a straight male can play such a role.

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I don't see how a straight male can play such a role.

Then you're not an artist.




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Never claimed to be an artist. I just don't see how a man can kiss another man unless he's gay.

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I just don't see how a man can kiss another man unless he's gay.

So someone can't play an architect unless he's an architect? Or play an alien unless he's an alien? Or play a New Yorker unless he's a New Yorker?

Just how clueless are you?




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Not clueless at all. You can't compare THIS to the things ypu just mentioned. Poor analogies.

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You can't compare THIS to the things ypu just mentioned.

Of course you can. They're all human activities. Unless, of course, you're a homophobe. Then, of course, you get all hot and bothered over something which is simple, basic, and totally nonthreatening. Is that your problem?


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Yeah. It's simple and basic if you're gay. I'm not homophobic , and have no problem with anyone being gay. I'm very open-minded, watch movies that have gay men in them, and have friends who are gay.

But I'm not gay, so I find it IMPOSSIBLE to conceive the possible thought that a straight man could kiss another man. It's not normal in my mind. I don't care if it is acting. The thought is abhorrent to me.

Now if you're gay, then fine. The thought of being with a women to them is the same to me as being with a man. It's what they are, and what I am.

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It's simple and basic if you're gay.

So, gay men have been kissing women, and gay women kissing men on the screen and in theaters for centuries...but that's not simple and basic? Are you actually reading what you write?

I find it IMPOSSIBLE to conceive

Argument from incredulity = 100% fail.

I'm not homophobic...It's not normal in my mind. I don't care if it is acting. The thought is abhorrent to me.

Erm...reality check. 


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Are you gay?

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Are you? Homophobes are gays who can't accept themselves.


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No. I'm not gay. I ask again. Are you gay?

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It doesn't matter who is gay and who is not. Actors often have love scenes with people they are not attracted to. That's their job. I'm not an actor but I assume, a homosexual kiss/sex scene is not that different from a straight one with a partner you are absolutely not attracted to.

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a homosexual kiss/sex scene is not that different from a straight one with a partner you are absolutely not attracted to

Bingo. It's a pretty simple concept, at least for those who are at ease with their own sexuality.


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I'm not gay.

Not self-admitted, at least.

But to answer your question, since you're so obsessed with gays, yes I'm a gay man. And an actor, too. And I've kissed women who did not repulse me in any way. I just didn't find it sexually arousing. It's the job of acting to do what the part requires. BTW, I've also kissed men who DID repulse me which I didn't find sexually arousing.


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But to answer your question, since you're so obsessed with "gays", yes I'm a gay man.
I figured you were. I'm not obsessed with gays, even though you would like to think I am. It's not that complicated. I simply think kissing another man is repulsive. I also think, even in acting, it is not something a heterosexual man would do. Maybe some can, but I don't get how.

You want me to acknowledge that such an act is okay and acceptable. I don't think that it is. Men weren't meant to kiss on other men. I like gay people, I believe in gay rights, and I believe in equality for everyone. However, I still don't think it was meant to be that way.

So yes, I'm shocked when I see someone like Mark Ruffalo kissing another man.

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I'm not obsessed with gays

You're the one harping on gayness.

I simply think kissing another man is repulsive.

Or so you tell yourself to keep in check your irresistible urge to do so.

You want me to acknowledge that such an act is okay and acceptable.

I couldn't care less what you think is acceptable. As a homophobe, your opinion is not just unimportant, it debunks itself. If I want anything from you, it's for you to continue digging your grave ever more deeply so everyone can see how tragically misguided you are. You've been doing that quite nicely, thanks. Keep up the good work.

I still don't think it was meant to be that way.

"Meant to be?"




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Or so you tell yourself to keep in check your irresistible urge to do so.
Why do you think I have this irresitable urge to do so.

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Why do you think I have this irresitable urge to do so.

Someone who is secure in their sexuality sees two men or two women kissing and thinks, "That's sweet, they must really care for each other." It's only someone with deep-seated doubts urging them towards something they haven't come to grips with, someone fighting to push away fearful unresolved issues, who overreacts by dismissing affection as "repulsive" and/or "not how things are meant to be."


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So you think because a heterosexual male sees 2 men kissing as repulsive, they are hiding what they really are? Or won't come to grips with their true self?

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Obviously. Get therapy.


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Obviously. Get therapy.
You seem really angry at someone stating an opinion. I have yet to criticize you or attack you personally. Yet you assume know me and presume to tell me what's wrong with me? I was very clear in what I stated and you want to think you know otherwise.

It upsets you that people don't like your way of life. You're probably sick of the bashing you receive. I'm not here to bash. I'm here to say that kissing another man is not something the majority of heterosexual men think is okay.

So I was in shock when I saw Ruffalo with another man. I enjoyed the movie, but to me that makes him gay because he perfromed a gay act. I don't care if it's acting, or pretending. Kissing another man, is kissing another man.

I have to snatch away his cool points. The Hulk! Not The Hulk!

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You seem really angry at someone stating an opinion

Oh, please. This is a ploy any 4 year-old would be embarrassed to try. 

you assume know me

Nothing of the sort. I know only your behavior on this thread.

and presume to tell me what's wrong with me

You display it openly in your behavior on this thread. Anyone would notice it.

It upsets you that people don't like your way of life

I couldn't care less what homophobes think...until they attempt to codify their thoughts into civil law, at which point I join with the majority and prevent them from doing so. Otherwise, they're free to think anything they like. It makes no difference to me. This doesn't mean, however, I won't comment openly on their thoughts when they express them openly, as in this thread.

I'm here to say that kissing another man is not something the majority of heterosexual men think is okay.

You have no idea what the majority of heterosexual men think about anything, much less this small point. Meanwhile, it's clear from world opinion about gay people that you're wrong.

to me that makes him gay because he perfromed a gay act

You comment on my presumption of what's wrong with you. Your remark directly above is a clear indicator of what's wrong with you. It's not merely delusional, it's disturbed. I simply point out what is self-evident. Anyone who considers affection between people in some way a bad thing is someone with serious emotional issues.


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I couldn't care less what homophobes think
Oh really......



Anyone who considers affection between people in some way a bad thing is someone with serious emotional issues
Justification on your part.

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Oh really......

This doesn't mean, however, I won't comment openly on their thoughts when they express them openly, as in this thread.
Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit.

Justification on your part.

Unproven assumption on yours.


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Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit.
Geez......There you go with the insults again.

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There you go with the insults again

Did you or did you not miss and/or ignore my comment in order to pretend you'd somehow "found me out?" There is no insult in confounding your point by noting your inability to read others' posts either carefully or responsibly.

This, too, is yet another childish ploy you should feel ashamed of trying. It's called "poisoning the well." It roughly goes, "Since the poster has defeated my arguments, I will side-step that fact by pretending my opponent is a bad person."

Debate is also not your strong suit, apparently.


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Debate is also not your strong suit, apparently
Yes, Ma'am. Whatever you say. I'm not trying to debate you. It wasn't my intention when I came on this board. I was just stating an opinion. Sorry I rubbed the wrong way, Ma'am.

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I'm not trying to debate you.

The moment you respond, you are debating. And you've responded a substantial number of times. As I said, it can't be your strong suit given you don't even recognize you're doing it while you're doing it.

Sorry I rubbed the wrong way, Ma'am.



This is your best?




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I figured you were. I'm not obsessed with gays, even though you would like to think I am. It's not that complicated. I simply think kissing another man is repulsive. I also think, even in acting, it is not something a heterosexual man would do. Maybe some can, but I don't get how.

You want me to acknowledge that such an act is okay and acceptable. I don't think that it is. Men weren't meant to kiss on other men. I like gay people, I believe in gay rights, and I believe in equality for everyone. However, I still don't think it was meant to be that way.

Yeah, right. Tell us again how open-minded you are?! 



You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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I just don't see how a man can kiss another man unless he's gay.

This is such a ridiculous viewpoint. Mark Ruffalo (and many other actors - in fact, most) have had sex scenes with women that they aren't at all attracted to. It's part of playing the role. They get into character and they bring the scene to life. Many actors, both male and female, are not attracted to the people that they're partnered with in any given scene. In some cases, they're even turned off by them, whether physically or because they just don't get along. Yet they make the relationship or sexual footage look real because that's part of "being someone else" - which is what any good actor should be striving for, the ability to step out of their comfort zone and be someone totally different from their everyday self.

Matt Bomer plays a total ladies' man in White Collar. Do you have the same reaction to him getting frisky with those women? I had no idea he was gay until a few seasons into the show because he was so believable as a straight man. By your logic, it should be inconceivable that he's able to have intimate scenes with women. Gay actors play straight characters all the time and no one thinks it's weird (in most cases no one even questions their sexuality). But when straight men play gay characters, there's always this "omg i have no idea how they can do something like that unless they're gay too!!!" mentality, which is so bizarre to me and such a double standard.

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Great post!

It's astounding how some people don't get the simple enough concept that movies are a fake world, actors are merely pretending!

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