SPOILER Ending


The Dark Tower's ending involving Roland having to repeat the cycle ad infinitum is one of the very best things about the series. I think its a pity that they've chosen to do this as a sequel about the following iteration of Roland's adventures, because it means we won't get to see that very bleak but also hopeful ending realised on screen.

You might think they'll still have that ending, but they almost certainly won't, because if they did, it defeats the entire purpose of King mentioning that he has the Horn of Eld and that small ray of hope for Roland. The whole point of that ending was that maybe, just maybe, things will work out different for him this time, and if they just repeat the ending that's completely gone. It simply wouldn't make sense to repeat it.

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Well, don't forget that Stephen King himself released a little blip letting us know this was the final turn of Roland's wheel. There are a handful of us that actually think the whole thing is a redemption story; that Roland keeps being given the chance to get this thing right (I mean, can you imagine how many times he's probably had to do this?), and with each opportunity a small alteration is made. I personally rather like the idea of Roland getting it right finally, but I could be completely wrong about what the whole thing is in the first place!

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I think the ending (if the movies get to it) will have Roland end the cycle, but they'll still keep it bittersweet. Like "Roland finally reached to the top of the tower and saved his world (as well as others) but... his Ka-tet died and now this hero of the multiverse will have to spend the rest of his sad life alone."

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I'm w/ Jo, as usual (and always left mostly repeating what she says!).

King did say this is Roland's final trip. I'm okay with the idea of it, but it really depends on where they go with it. Not to be a downer, but my biggest fear is that we'll never see the ending because the beginning movie won't do well enough. I'm not trying to be a downer either, just playing Devil's Advocate o.O

They have a chance to really blow everyone away if they're playing their cards right. If King has faith in this after hearing/seeing what they have planned, then I'm all for it. I just hope they don't decide to change the new sequel story too much, you know?

DT is one of my favorite book series, so I'm naturally nervous when they decided to make this movie. And then we found out it's a sequel to the books... well, they can knock the new story out of the park or bury it before it even has a chance. The studio seems to not know what they have so far, as marketing hasn't even started. But this is all a little off topic from your original post.

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See, Lewis, what I hope is that the whole point of Roland "getting it right," is to be able to do things without sacrificing his ka-tet along the way. I can only imagine what it would be like for all of them to reach that damned tower together, but perhaps that's just way too happy-happy sunshine, daffodils and rainbows for a typical Stephen King movie. Maybe it is, but I don't think it's wrong of me to want that. I can't imagine the world being saved by a man doomed to just sit alone and despairing for all eternity. I'd hope for a much happier end to Roland journey than that.

Storm, I hope (hope hope hope) that doesn't happen, but I have the same fears as well. The wind can blow either way at this point. I'm a little nervous about the fact they're not giving us anything, though. That's what's shaking my faith the most at this point!

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In the preview, I think I saw The Grapefruit. Or perhaps this was something other.

Anyway, the only way I can see no Ka-Tet casualties is through use of the grapefruit, which pretty-much sucks the life out of it's user/handler. But from what I gather, the grapefruit allows whomever commands it glimpses into the future as well as live-feeds. If Roland gets his hands on this, many deaths could be avoided.

Other than that, Jake was more stronger in The Touch than both Alain and Roland combined, but Roland rarely used what little Touch he himself possessed. But Jake, on the other hand, was using the hell out of his ability in just about every novel.

Perhaps if Roland were to summon his own slight ability, things could change. After all, didn't Jake foresee his own demise by saving Stephen King and withheld this foresight from Roland? And doesn't this mean foresight had given him a choice in the matter?

Do and die. Don't do, and live.

Maybe it isn't just about Roland being able to save them, because each of them (at different times, and for whatever reasons) have violated the Ka-Tet rules and sometimes 'kept their own counsel'

Susannah's pregnancy...kept a secret for a while.
Eddie's Key-Carving...his reason kept a secret for a while.

Perhaps if they'd been immediately forthcoming about every nuance, things would have turned out differently.

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But Roland isn't completely let off the hook.
He kept his own council as well. And from the very beginning.


Most particularly, one scene in the final Dark Tower novel makes me suspect that Roland's Touch either knew or suspected that one of his Ka-Tet would die that day, but still didn't prevent it.
If you recall, just moments before their assault in Thunder Clap, Roland summons together his Ka-Tet to partake in KHEF (high-speech for The Sharing Of Water), and everyone was clueless about the meaning of this ritual, or why he choose to do it now. He hadn't urged them to partake in KHEF before previous battles (The Wolves, for instance).

This made me suspect that Roland's Touch had foreseen death, but perhaps not whom. And if he knew, he saw the Tower as being more important.


These are just my observations, anyway.




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See, my husband and I got into a brief debate about this. I understand full well that the members of Roland's ka-tet more chose self sacrifice for the quest. I know that Roland hardly used them as human shields. The hard part is that early on, Roland was willing to let these things happen. That is the key difference here. Of course he fell in love with all of them. Of course it tore him apart when he lost them. BUT without seeing exactly how these things would happen, he knew they would.

When Roland was under the mountain with Jake, at one point he finally thought to himself that he should have found another way. Hell, if it weren't for the slow mutants behind them, he would have even thrown that handcar into reverse and taken that different path. But when push came to shove, and with Walter right in front of him, he let Jake fall. What I would like to see is Roland's outward defiance against such things; people can/will die. He can't stop that. But to be accepting of these losses as collateral damage, painful though they may be, is the difference. If there is a way to do it without a willingness to let those he loves fall... Well, that sounds redeeming to me. But it also sounds entirely idealistic, and ideas such as those would be hard to push across in a film medium.

Ugh, I get so caught up in these discussions that I forget I'm in for some brutal wake ups in future books. *sigh* At least my ka-tet is safely tucked into The Waste Lands for now. Shardik is down and we're moving on to poor Jake's insanity at this point in my reading...

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