melanin content argument - The Dark Tower (2017) Discussion

[–] Sawyer_Lost 8 years ago

Yeah no.

Books are a uniquely portable magic. ~Stephen King

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[–] tylerrepotter 8 years ago

Good luck using logic and reason with these idiot cucks.

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[–] StormBringer328 8 years ago

When have you ever used logic or reason? While I agree Elba is not the right choice and am 50/50 on whether he can pull it off, saying things & listing them is not logic, but comparing/contrasting. You never use logic, bud. What you call logic *isnt*. If I ever saw you use logic, I'd clap you on the back and celebrate! I'm still holding out hope that you can use logic, tho.

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[–] MatthewKeen 8 years ago

I am guessing you are a long-time fan. Whether you started at the beginning or when King published the seventh book, you've had years to cultivate an image in your mind's eye of how Roland should look. I understand your concerns, I do, but let's be honest: If the actor that had been cast was anything but perfect, you would see the actor cast and not Roland.

All we, as fans, can do is just hope the movie is good.

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[–] jaquesburton 8 years ago

Matthewkeen, you are right about the length of time I've followed the books (since before the second was published). I wasn't a fan until the second. But you are dead wrong about no actor filling the role to my satisfaction. I was fine with Bardem, when many were outraged and aghast.

Any number of good actors that would remotely resemble Roland would be fine with me. But to make the argument that Elba can just sell it with attitude and charisma is at best, disingenuous.

If I'm craving a pepperoni pizza, and you give me a delicious sausage pizza, I can be okay with that. You at least tried, and got close. But if you give me, a delicious baked potato with all the sides, I'm going to be pissed,not eat it, and ask for my money back. You didn't give a damn, and gave me what you felt like giving me.

They can shove this potato up their collective asses.
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That IS a tasty burger!

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

Elba has been likened to a chicken (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1648190/board/flat/261530524). Presently, he is a potato.

Following up on that...

They can shove this potato up their collective asses.

Now there is a nice mental image .

What's next: Birkenstocks versus steel-toe boots?

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[–] oki9Sedo 8 years ago

Elba is very charismatic and formidable, which are the two main things I'd be looking for in an actor playing Roland. I think he was a better choice than Javier Bardem, who physically is more like the Roland in the books but doesn't exude that charisma or menace.

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[–] StormBringer328 8 years ago

Bardem can't exude menace??? Have you seen ANY of his movies? Maybe his breakout? Tell me that is NOT menace lol

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[–] oki9Sedo 8 years ago

He does exude menace, particularly in No Country For Old Men, but I think Elba is more intimidating.

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[–] StormBringer328 8 years ago

Elba may be able to do intimidating, but not the way Roland was intimidating. Elba is a huge imposing dude, if you cross him he'll kick your ass like a line backer! But that's not what made Roland intimidating. It was that he was tall, lanky, but he was so fast and would strike like a cobra. Not saying Elba *can't* do that, but he's def not the right look - and I say this beyond a skin color thing. Elba has a star for sure, but we'll see if he can pull it off.

I'm not even sure Bardem had *it* either. I'm still considering who does, ha. And I realise it doesn't matter. Elba is Roland and I'm OK with that so far, may change my mind after I see the film. I'm still interested in how this'll all play out!

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[–] oki9Sedo 8 years ago

Well I recall King describing Roland as having a hard face that says you do not mess with him, I can't remember the exact words but I recall him describing this in Algul Siento in the seventh book after the battle when he's dealing with the Breakers. Elba certainly has that look.

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[–] brett_md 8 years ago

Another person here to complain that things aren't the way they want them? Here to create negativity? Add nothing of value to the discussions?

Another person to ignore. Peace.

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[–] StormBringer328 8 years ago

It's gonna happen nearly everyday, even past the movies release :(

I'm not *happy* with Elba, but I'm cool with seeing what he can do. If it fails, it won't be due to his performance only, which is a major argument against him. I just want an all around enjoyable movie. Maybe I'm a hack because I want an average of good to bad, but I think it's a good standing to have with fan-culture movies, that have a long history of followers. Can't get everything right, that's simply asking too much.

This, I think, is the logical standing to have for a movie like this. Average isn't bad. It means they got more right than wrong.

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[–] StormBringer328 8 years ago

Brett, making sure you understand I'm with you, not against. All I want is valued or meaningful discussion. I don't need people to agree with me, just talk to me civilly.

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[–] joannatn 8 years ago

I'm really surprised how many long time fans aren't willing to see Roland past his physical description. I mean, I would have thought most of the people who came to love Roland loved him for more than what Stephen King originally wrote him to look like. If Stephen King himself was willing to bend his description of the character in order to get the best possible Roland, than shouldn't we at least give Elba that chance?

Geesh, guys stop me. Please. Brett? Sawyer? Percy? Sugar? Captain? Stormy? Max? Take the stick away from me. I keep beating this dead horse.

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[–] Sawyer_Lost 8 years ago

It surprises me too joanna. Today I was almost reluctant to tell a co-worker about the casting of The Dark Tower, because he had no idea they were making a movie and I see from this forum how some people cant wrap their heads around a black Roland.. Said co-worker has read every King book there is and has lots of first editions in his native tongue. I sent him the EW promo pics of Roland with the guns and Flagg strolling through the Dixie Pig. He reacted very positively and didnt even mention his skin color. "Yes, I can absolutely see him as The Gunslinger, he looks very cold, very good" he wrote back, and went on to point out the sigul of the Eld on the guns. Its nice to see people you like not making a big deal out of it. It irks me how many people write this project off before a final trailer is released. Its simply dumb, stubborn and ignorant on their part, those people wouldnt change their minds even if the film would reach Lord of the Rings-like popularity.

Books are a uniquely portable magic. ~Stephen King

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[–] tylerrepotter 8 years ago

Lmao. You and your coworker are sheep morons.

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[–] Sawyer_Lost 8 years ago

Hahaa, thought you were leaving Tyler douche? Or was that just another lie, much like the one that you didn't private-message-bully some of the people standing up against the pathetic likes of you and Spider?

Books are a uniquely portable magic. ~Stephen King

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[–] StormBringer328 8 years ago

Tyler, dude! How are you not being what you cry about Wolf (for one) being?? Moron Sheep? You deserve the hate you get personally. You invite it. I can almost smell it on you from here.

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Your co-worker sounds like an easily pleased moron. And I would say it's dumb, ignorant and plain disrespectful to the books to accept any old cr*p just because it have the Dark Tower name slapped on it while it gets everything wrong.

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[–] StormBringer328 8 years ago

How is it being disrespectful to the book having Elba potray Roland? Even when the author was OK with it? If you're this hung up, Spidey, maybe you should reconsider what is important in life? Bully liars, you and Tyler. Trolls to the end! Got that spoon handy? I got an itch...

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Because he neither looks the part, nor is he remotely talented enough to play it. It's blatant PC publicity stunt hiring, they've already had idiot Goldsman come out and call anyone against it racist.
It's hilarious how you insult other people, you with your sad little group who make entire threads to insult posters you don't like and support others when they wish someone who disagrees with you blind positivity dead. You keep pretending you're better than me... Maybe one day you'll convince someone but yourself.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

The only thing that is hilarious is how you fail to acknowledge your own statements. What were they? Oh, right. That people ought to lose their jobs and/or suffer accidents because of this film.

Way I see it, you've got three options ->

Double down (which you won't do, because it will further cement your status as a hardcore ***hole and because you're not that brave...even behind a computer monitor).

Apologize (which you won't do, because it will highlight the fact that you said those things).

Continue to ignore it and deflect by attempting to point the finger at others instead of owning up to your own despicable sense of fanboy entitlement.

Huh. When I put it like that, I suppose you actually don't really have all that many choices, now do you?

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Here's the broken record. Still not criticised wolfdamage for wishing death on three people I see. But I suppose your morality (where you deplore people saying such things), is as fake as your view of being fine with changing the races of fictional characters... Or are you against that? So many inconsistencies.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

That's a no, I take it?

See you next post .

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

So confirming that for all your whiny bullsh*t that you are ok with people wishing others dead, as long as the people doing it are on the same side of the argument as you. You have no credibility to criticise anyone if you are that blatant. Sad pathetic little fool.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

I already answered this the last time it was brought up. Come to think of it, i've answered each and every one of your petty demands. Only...you've not confronted your statements (wanting people affiliated with this film to face career ruination and/or suffer accidents) beyond a half-assed reply in regards to the former statement (them losing their jobs) a long time ago.

It's a simple question: do you still want people to lose their jobs because of this adaptation/sequel and would you have wanted people to be in accidents to keep them from contributing to the film itself in any meaningful way?

No evading. No dodging. And, certainly, no more half-assing. Clear and unambiguous is the name of the game here.

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[–] MadMan5225 8 years ago

SPIDER is a confirmed racist - he goes to threads of movies with race changing and complains that its PC liberal nonsense. Sounds like hes a low life racist that has nothing better to do; when in fact the actual creators of the comics/fantasy materials he complains about could give two *beep* about the color blind casting changes!!

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

when in fact the actual creators of the comics/fantasy materials he complains about could give two *beep* about the color blind casting changes!!

Haven't you heard? It's all a conspiracy theory .

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Typical SJW, racist for being against race changes. You of course have never complained about a character being made white then? And you would count everyone complaining about Scarlet on the Ghost in the shell board as racist too then? No?
If you have nothing better to add be quiet fool.

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[–] MatthewKeen 8 years ago

That's not entirely accurate, Spider has defended Marvel's rave change because it was done for the almighty Chinese Market.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

Bump.

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Still continuing to chat utter sh*t Wesker. How about you actually reply to things asked of you instead of dodging and ranting about the same boring cr*p again.

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[–] StormBringer328 8 years ago

First, I have never created a thread to call anyone out or attack them. You'll find none from me, bub. In fact, I've never attacked anyone for their opinion. You'll find none of those either, bub. You don't read a GD thing, do you? I admit I can tend to write lengthy replies, but you don't read them for content.

Cap has the right of it, having already replied. You know, maybe it is a PC stunt, maybe casting really liked him. I wouldn't have cast him based on what I've seen of him, but maybe he surprised them. The point is moot, tho, as we haven't even seen the GD movie!? Let's wait and see. If he truly sucks I'll be the first to voice my opinion on the matter! But let's see what he does. How does that not compute with you and your own club!

Your so blinded by your hate it's sickening. It blinds you to anything to do with it. Is the rest of your life full of such rancor? I'm not one to judge, but dude - maybe time to reconsider the vibes you put out in the world. Sure, that's hippy BS to you, but go ahead and remain ignorant. Negativity multiplies at an exponential rate. Telling you from experience, bro. I've got a bad f@ckin' disease eating thru my guts. When I'm in a bad or agitated mood it hurts more than usual. Healthy people don't get it, but your bowels are your tuning fork for the universe. I'm dealing with what nature gave me, but I've learned a lot of positive things from it, too. Like how to cope. Or how to appreciate the small things, even when the big picture (or future) is bleak. This is just a movie, adapted from a book. Elba is just another human being finding his way. If this adaptation sucks, another will be attempted.

Don't let negativity bind you up, pal. It'll give you ulcers at the least, Crohn's because nature, or cancer because you don't pay attention. Eat your veggies and minimize carbs. Last, McDonalds is bad. Be happy when you can, avoid negative sh*t when you can't.

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[–] sugrnspyce4 8 years ago

I'm really surprised how many long time fans aren't willing to see Roland past his physical description. I mean, I would have thought most of the people who came to love Roland loved him for more than what Stephen King originally wrote him to look like. If Stephen King himself was willing to bend his description of the character in order to get the best possible Roland, than shouldn't we at least give Elba that chance?

Geesh, guys stop me. Please. Brett? Sawyer? Percy? Sugar? Captain? Stormy? Max? Take the stick away from me. I keep beating this dead horse.

Ha - I feel exactly the same way, joannatn. And like you, I'm occassionally compelled to comment on posts where some people not only continue to beat the deadest of horses into the ground, but ultimately aren't really here for a discussion at all. Many of those people seem to be here solely to complain, not to have civil debates or exchange ideas, and certainly not to try to understand why other people feel differently than they do. Yet here we are, still trying to keep the board a somewhat tolerable place lol.

So all that to say this: I don't think it's people like us who are beating a dead horse. From what I can tell, it's simply that we're often trying to steer others away from beating a dead horse. I imagine it'll only get more ridiculous after the official trailer comes out though. Prepare yourself!

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[–] ButcherOfTull 8 years ago

I wonder if this board will flood with non DT readers once the Movie comes out. It will be very interesting.

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[–] sugrnspyce4 8 years ago

Yeah, I have a feeling we'll see a good number of non DT readers, especially if this movie is good. I think we'll also see other Stephen King fans who haven't read the series, as well as other DT fans who haven't visited before. It'll probably be a big ball of confusion in the next few months lol.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

I wonder if this board will flood with non DT readers once the Movie comes out.

It will. By the way? A generation of viewers are going to associate Roland with Idris Elba and there is nothing these adult children can do about it .

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[–] ButcherOfTull 8 years ago

Im hoping he does. The character and acter deserve it.:)

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[–] StormBringer328 8 years ago

No, Joanna, you are right. Roland is more than the sum of his parts. He's more than a skin color for sure. People who don't getit are lost. I understand being upset with it till it sinks in, but outright hate over the issue is sad. You're so right, in fact. I realise this the further I get in my reread. There is so much to Roland, it'd be hard for ANYONE alive to fit his mold.

I also had a WTF moment, still had it when I came here. But I was never hateful or even angry, really. Makes me sad for the future of a potential franchise. Even tho Eastwood is who I see when I read, I can still see Elba get part of what makes Roland Roland. I don't buy the line that he was the best actor considered, but I can get past it easily.

Racism is a big deal. It"s hard for some people to admit they have it a little (because we all experience it sometime, honestly). But we have to see it in ourselves to correct it. I'm not calling anyone here a racist as I understand being upset over the casting, but his skin color alone holds you back from enjoying something in it all? Maybe they're taking it all too seriously. It's one of my all time Top 5 book series. Books even. But still... I get it, but get past it!?

This is going to be a daily issue on this forum. Maybe we gotta really think about how we approach when responding? The steady people, anyway. It's not my place to tell anyone what to post, but...

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[–] Anakin_McFly 8 years ago

Even tho Eastwood is who I see when I read, I can still see Elba get part of what makes Roland Roland.

Likewise, and given that the movie is a sequel, it doesn't even change that - book!Roland was and always will be a white man, and in the next cycle of the wheel of ka, Roland is a black man. It fits perfectly in the mythology (e.g. with all the different incarnations of the same characters in various levels of the Tower), it doesn't affect anything, and I prefer it this way, rather than have my image of book!Roland forever altered by a screen representation that may still not look like how I envisioned him. This approach keeps my vision of him intact and expands who Roland is, rather than attempts to rewrite him.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

Well said.

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