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Thousands of parallel universes...

posted 8 years ago by General_Electric
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...some with only minute differences from the neighboring ones. Different faces on American money. Unknown brands of cars. A different name for Coke.

I don't understand how people can have read the books, accept all of this, and yet by no stretch of the imagination accept the possibility of a slightly different Roland? Different in color only, perhaps in a different cycle? Another minor change that fits right into Stephen King's multiverse he created if you ask me. It doesn't defy logic at all to me.

If you claim to have loved the books but cant understand the possibility of a black Roland, you have either forgotten the face of your father...OR you may have to consider the possibility that you're teeny bit racist and should work to heal that.

I think

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Considering it's supposed to be the same Roland from the books there is no logical explanation for Roland to suddenly change race. Roland is supposed to relive the cycle over and over, so that weak argument of yours to justify it doesn't cut it. It also ruins an interesting character dynamic when they first introduce Detta (not that the makers of this hack job care, they're no book fans and probably haven't even caught her name when they were skimming Wikipedia for names to throw into this).

I'm sure you'd be just as open to Odetta/Detta/Susannah changing race, right? I mean as you said it's alternate realities so why not?

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

Because Spider is a *beep* alt-right, racist *beep* I keep trying to get him to laugh (Hey Carl) but all he ever does is scream, "Shills! SJW's! Feminists! I want Roland to be white, because there's this one passage in one of the eight books that another character calls him white. And I'm using this as an excuse to whine about his color. Seriously, I don't actually believe racial tension is fundamental to the story, but DAMNIT I'm going to keep saying it is."

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

More crap from you, you have just proved you've never read the books in your life though since you claim Roland's race is only mentioned once. When it's mentioned repeatedly. Way to point out your own idiocy dipsh*t.
Also just because you have a voice in your head called Carl doesn't mean everyone you speak to is Carl, now be quiet fool.

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

Did I say it's only mentioned once? Can you read? I said there's one passage where someone calls him a honk-mafa. Seriously, show me where else his race is *important*. No. Not where else it is *mentioned*. Where else it is important.

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

Since you're too stupid to realize what I mean when I call you Carl is that you are exactly a Sargon of Akkad clone with your views. I'm being reductive because I don't give a flying *beep* that you aren't in fact him. You are a *beep* parrot and everything you say is *beep* that he says on his page.

I'm sorry you're so dumb that I have to explain the *beep* joke. Carl.

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Nice try fool. You convinced yourself I was someone I'd never heard of and despite my numerous attempts to correct your utter idiocy you kept it up. Seems now it's finally sunk in and you are trying to cover up your lack of brainpower by pretending you didn't think that.
And you realise I'm still not buying you've actually read the book, I'd be surprised if you can even read.

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

God you're such a *beep* idiot.

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Says the person who convinced themselves I was someone called Carl, I'll be honest that insult coming from you means less than nothing.
Face it you've exposed your complete lack of intelligence and now you are desperately trying to cover it.

[–] theunopeneddoor-697-442391 8 years ago

Hey dumbass, have you actually ever READ the Dark Tower?

He's calling you Carl because that's the name of one of the characters!

http://darktower.wikia.com/wiki/Carl_Delevan

Obviously you're not as big a fan as you thought...

Never Drumpf! Never Hillary!

[–] General_Electric 8 years ago

Yes a white Detta would be fine too. Of all epics to change races of characters in a set of varied tellings I'm hard pressed to think of one more fitting than The Dark Tower.

What you're missing is that in a well told story, the underlying unseen character of "human nature" is what plays out most of what you read. It's completely foolish to think that by changing skin colors of any number of people, the invisible lead character named "Racism" would magically disappear.

I guarantee you that when Detta is cast in the next film, our good old invisible villain "Racism" will still play a key role.

In the meantime, how about you just set back and let the writers do their job while you get to have the most rewarding job, being swept away and surprised?

[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

I don't understand how people can have read the books, accept all of this, and yet by no stretch of the imagination accept the possibility of a slightly different Roland?

It is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Funny, huh?

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[–] General_Electric 8 years ago

Mind boggling in fact

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Of course a slightly different Susannah who was white would be fine with you too then, being it's alternate realities and all?

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

Okay, seriously, I'll play nice.
Here's my *actual* take.
Is Roland white in the books? Yes. Does his race actually play a role in the story? Yes, but not a big one and not at all outside of Detta's arc in Drawing of the Three.

Do you disagree with anything so far? Specify.

Does casting Idris Elba as Roland change the story? Yes. Does it change it significantly? I would argue no. And it *definitely* doesn't change the story of book/movie 1.

Do you disagree with anything there? What? Please describe what is changed in the *first* book by having Roland be played by a black actor. And if you're unsure what part of this film is taken from other sources (i.e. the rest of the series) I can tell you approximately (having read an earlier version of the script.)

Do I think that the casting of Elba was a PC stunt? No, but I do admit it's possible. What I actually think is that Elba's race was critical in his getting cast, but not in the way you so angrily vent about incessantly.

I think the idea behind radically changing the appearance of the main character was to eschew a "valley of uncanny" situation. Roland in the books *is* a 40 year old Clint Eastwood. Clint Eastwood is no longer 40. Because of this, there is exactly no actor who would fit the description of the character. Zero. Not Eastwood, not his son (even if he could act, he'd still be different enough appearance wise), not Hugh Jackman, not Javier Bardem. Nobody. So instead of trying to get close and, ultimately, failing, they decided to radically change the main character and instead go to the heart of the character—a badass gunslinger/knight who has a cold, dead-eye demeanor and Elba can absolutely play that role.

I know you will disagree with this part, but you're just *beep* wrong about this.

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

And ask me some trivia, if you don't believe I've read the books. Or you can look through my history to see that my quote has been the same since before this movie has had an imdb page.

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

That's just a whole lot of bullsh*t right there.

The fact that the first thing that Goldsman did when people complained is call everyone racist, because creates a nice excuse when this fails and let's them play the victim of evil racists.

It's so blatantly obvious that Elba's casting was a PC publicity stunt that a blind man could see it, coincidentally a blind man would know that Elba is a poor choice for Roland.
As for the excuse of not being able to find someone that was exactly like Eastwood, to pretend they had to go completely the other way is nonsense. Basically you are wrong.

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

And Elba cannot pull off Roland in any capacity. Poor actor with a gigantic ego.

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

Do you have anything to back up your claim that he's a bad actor? Because you're the only person who thinks that.

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

He was wrongly cast as Heimdall, couldn't possibly have been any blander if he tried.
He attempted to play a Frenchman in Ghost Rider 2, he somehow managed to be the low point in an utterly terrible film.
He played a lacklustre villain in Star Trek beyond (otherwise good in spite of his dull performance). And people say he can play the dark part of Roland's personality right, when he couldn't play the villain well in that.

And let's not forget the one note performance he put on in Pacific Rim. His overly praised performance as Luther which is barely any different to his part in the Wire. He's an average actor at best who the media kiss the arse of endlessly, not a single role of his has deserved any of the praise his deluded fans throw at him. He's all ego and no talent.

[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

Blah blah blah.

There goes Detta198, tearing down anything they themselves could not achieve.

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Wow as usual you manage to add absolutely nothing. Well done on your consistent record of bullsh*t posts.

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Now hypocrite, are you still going to ignore that question? I already know the answer I'm just seeing if you'll surprise me and actually admit your hypocrisy.

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

I have a question for ya. Do you really think that racial tension is the primary element in The Dark Tower?

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

Do you even like Dark Tower or do you just hate black people?

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Big fan of the Dark Tower and have no problem with black people. As I'm sure you, even with your limited mental capicity know, it's just the go to conversation derail technique for fools like you when your argument is terrible.

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

"with your limited mental capicity"
Oh the irony. You know how easy it is to goad you into one of your "SJW! Shill!" rants, don't ya? And it's "capacity."

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

And yes. If they recast Susannah as white, I wouldn't mind.

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

It's a typing error, I'm on a phone where I can't correct it after. But nice try on distracting the conversation again from your own lack of a coherent argument.
Got any other distraction techniques you'd like to try fool? You've already tried delusions that I was someone else, played the race card and focus on a typing error. Do you have any distractions left?

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

A "typing" error. Right. Because the a and the i are sooooo close together on the keyboard. Sure. Let's go with that.
Do you really believe I thought you were Sargon? Do you understand what "trolling" is? I mean, obviously you do it... all the time. But no, dude. I'm just trying to get your goat. And it's so *beep* easy.

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

Another question for ya. Which DT book is your favorite?

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Strange how you avoided answering this question Wesker, wonder why that is?

[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

It's only funny when I pretend someone is someone he is not. When you do it it's petty. Why the double standard? Because I'm an SJW shill and I'm aaaalllll about double standards.

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

[–] Spider198 8 years ago

What are you on about? I wasn't actually pretending anyone was anyone else, I was literally replying to Wesker's post. Embarrassing yourself now.

[–] sugrnspyce4 8 years ago

Couldn't have said it better myself. 👍

[–] SuperDevilDoctor 8 years ago

It's just this simple:

Roland being played by a black actor is politically incorrect to those of the "Alt-Right".

To them, casting Idris Elba violates Political Correctness.

Send her to the snakes!

[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

Were I to let my mind ruminate on that "logic" for an appreciable amount of time, I think permanent mental damage would be the most probable outcome.

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It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing .

[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

Bump.

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It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing .