This is a thread made in all seriousness. Do you believe in Jake's proclamation that "There are other worlds than these?" Do you believe in the truth (within the series at least) that there are multiple universes and multiple worlds and multiple levels to the Dark Tower, and as such different versions of each character we encounter throughout the series?
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
(Not to hijack this post, so Spider, please feel free to disregard as this is for Maximus... But Maximus? You just blew my mind.)
share Glad to be of service, say-thankya
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
Or thankee-sai, if one prefers. :-)
shareI'm reading Wolves of the Calla currently so I'm currently in the speech modes of Calla speak. But Thankee-sai. Got any tooter-fish sandwiches?
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
I prefer making my popkins with a fresh lobstrosity salad and a nice hard graf to wash it down with! Now them's good eats!
shareJust needs some butter sauce and those lobstrosities taste like something you'd get at Red Lobster!
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
I'm about to catch spider in a logic trap. Get your ready...
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
You think I ever hit message boards without a bowl of popcorn? I'm no amateur! I remember the face of my father, thankee-sai! :-P
shareBeg pardon, sai I meant no such low insult. I'll not forget your preparedness in future, set your watch and warrant on't...
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
That is true in the series but if they aren't going to make the Dark Tower into films as they should be they shouldn't have bothered. Nobody wants a pathetic cheap version just because the filmmakers are clueless and lack even the most basic knowledge of the books.
shareSo your logic follows that - the books do have multiple levels to the Tower, in which different versions of the characters appear.
But the movies aren't allowed to take that approach, and should only follow the books exactly as written?
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
Why make *beep* fanfiction (at best, although clearly no one involved in this is a fan), when they could do it right and at least attempt to actually adapt the books?
shareSo for you taking elements from the books and rearranging them - within a framework that is stated to have multiple layers and levels anyway - is not a proper adaptation and just simply becomes fanfiction.
Okay, what about the MCU films, or LOTR, or the Bourne movies?
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
Films based on comics are different, there are multiple versions of comic characters. But there is only one Dark Tower book series.
I'm curious how much they could change before you'd see it as a bad thing. Apparently changes to the lead character and wholesale changes to the story are no problem. If they performed more race changes or more story changes would you still be all for it then?
Films based on comics are different, there are multiple versions of comic characters.
Apparently changes to the lead character and wholesale changes to the story are no problem.
But they are making changes just for the sake of change in this. There's no good reason to change Roland's race (their infact big story reasons not to), there's no good reason to ignore the entire story of the Gunslinger and every book onward if they continued after (as if that's going to happen).
There's no good reason to include villains who shouldn't make an appearence till much later, the relocation of most of the action to a cheaper setting or making Roland Jake's sidekick.
At this point they've basically changed everything but a few names and you would actually accept more? Why even call it the Dark Tower anymore if they are just changing everything?
There's no good reason to include villains who shouldn't make an appearence till much later
No that is being used as an excuse to pathetically try to justify massive changes, it doesn't actually justify it.
And the fact is that nobody had the reaction when this was first announced of "oh I hope they ignore almost everything and make it a new cycle", because nobody wanted that. There are some people so determined to see anything with the Dark Tower name on it on film that they have convinced themselves this cheap poorly cast hack job is anything but a bad way to do it.
You keep spinning the same tune, Spides. You act as if you're an authority on the book, and that every fan should want a 1:1 adaptation because that's what you want. If you're such a big fan, would you care to discuss your favorite characters, quotes, etc in one of the two more lighthearded threads I've started and join in a more friendly conversation? Maybe bond with other fans over favorite moments and characters?
Because to be honest you beating the drum with the same tired arguments is getting pretty boring..
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
Just ignore him. Everyone has gone round and round, some of us even pointing out his own hypocrisy, yet he is deterrmined to be a Negative Nancy. He refuses to acknowledge others just want a good movie, despite massive changes (which harldy spells disaster--just compare Who Framed Roger Rabbit to its source material as once such example). He has also made baseless accusations against several people, often ignoring evidence to he contrary.
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Listen to them—the children of the night. What music they make!
You keep spinning the same tune, Spides. You act as if you're an authority on the book, and that every fan should want a 1:1 adaptation because that's what you want.This. Exactly.
If you're such a big fan, would you care to discuss your favorite characters, quotes, etc in one of the two more lighthearded threads I've started and join in a more friendly conversation? Maybe bond with other fans over favorite moments and characters?I'd like to see this. share
I dont think there is any coming back for Spider... He is too far gone to join in any lightheartedness here. Plus, wouldn't be super weird to read something positive from him?
shareLOL - admittedly, it would be pretty weird. But it would also be a welcome change of pace IMO, instead of the endless negativity we're all used to from him.
shareI'd bet money that when the film was announced, before any casting. That not a single reader thought "Great, they definitely need to make Roland black... And I hope they completely ignore the story of the books".
I don't enter discussions with people who would blindly praise anything, no matter how low the quality. Simply because it has some book names slapped on it. Or people who are so blatantly hypocritical about changing the race of characters that the repeated denials border on delusion.
And if people like you really wanted discussion of any kind you wouldn't respond to every criticism by anyone who dares to criticise with snide comments and insults.
So I take that's a "no" to my invitation to share your Dark Tower experiences in a friendly post that I created?
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
That is true in the series but if they aren't going to make the Dark Tower into films exactly as I want them to they shouldn't have bothered. I don't wants [sic] a(n) awesome version that happens to have a black actor as Roland just because the filmmakers are *beep* but I am a racist so I'll keep complaining away while I sit here in my Aunt's Garage.
The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.
Thanks for fixing that Odin...
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
It's funny how, when you use actual logic and a well-thought out argument, Spider never responds. I've had I don't know how many response threads where I made a great point, never to have Spider respond...
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
You are a complete moron, I reply with nothing but logic. You just rarely post anything worth replying to, just the usual braindead bullsh*t.
shareThe sad life of my mentally deranged little shadow. Lots of ramble but not even the slightest hint of sense, or a life.
shareI just want to say, I put spider on my ignore list a while back and has been so worth it. Every time he "contributes" to the conversation, imdb replaces his ignorance with "you have ignored this user", and it puts huge smile on my face. I think it would be great if everyone did the same. Let him argue with himself while we all enjoy our lives.
shareAye, I'll not make the mistake of taking anything Spider has to say seriously any time soon. By now his posts are mere entertainment to me. I do so enjoy laying out a logic trap though. Thankee-sai. Long days and pleasent nights to you Sai brett...
I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid
No. That was not what you should be thinking. There was nothing you read in the series that should make you think that Roland should be black. You should be thinking that the series was about the idea of the collective unconscious, not literal truth. The idea was that everything could be in the dark tower from fiction, or whatever. The idea was that the big concepts and ideas are somehow innate, as in the original Star Wars movie, Firefly, the Matrix, etc.... We all just somehow know there is something somehow sublime about certain moments. It speaks to us on a deeper level.
King, the character, was channelling the story, as were other authors of pop culture fiction, this is why different characters started showing up, then eventually outright concepts and creations from elsewhere... Then the whole cyclic b.s. if you read the afterword you would understand was a COP OUT. He was in over his head and couldn't write a way out, so he went with his gut and ended with the same line a la George Lucas Episode 1. It's all cyclic, man.
You can't use B.S. and a lack of thinking to argue for a black Roland and a total disregard for the source material.
Bump.
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It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing .