I just finished the series and I know Cuthbert died with it at Jericho Hill and Roland re-acquired it after restarting the cycle, but I'm not sure if I missed an explanation of why it is important for Roland to bring it to the Dark Tower. Obviously it will probably end the cycle, but why?
shareI could be missing something but I think the horn's importance is just the fact that he has it with him this time, indicating it's not a simple time reset but rather a new reality where things won't necessarily play out the same.
shareCorrect. The horn means nothing other than a sign that the new timeline is different. If they start the series with Roland having the Horn of Eld, they can do whatever they want in the same manner that the new Star Trek's did because it isn't a "remake" of what we read already but a continuation.
shareSo theoretically, once he gets to the tower with the horn, The cycle could end OR still reset?
shareTheoretically the writers can do anything they want. It could take him back to before his friends died or even back to the edge of the desert with Cuthbert and crew by his side.
shareTheoretically the writers can do anything they want. It could take him back to before his friends died or even back to the edge of the desert with Cuthbert and crew by his side.Now that would be interesting, seeing Roland's friends go on the journey with him. Many things would've turned out very different for all of them - for Roland, especially.
It's being used as an excuse to butcher the story and make poor casting decisions.
share[deleted]
[deleted]
I expect the crash test dummy would be a great listener.
shareSo, he reported my post for insults, even though he himself slings insults left, right, and center. I wonder if there is a word for such behavior. Might it start with an "h"? I don't know...I can't remember .
Here is my post again, because if something is worth saying once, it is worth saying twice.
Best of luck "debating" with Spider.
You are more apt to find meaningful discussion by talking to a crash test dummy about existentialism.
Oh look more insults from you. Reported for unprovoked personal insults, didn't even reply to you to cause it.
It's understandable sometime those lacking common sense and intelligence often lash out as those smarter than them.
Don't you have some angry racist fanatics to cheerlead for over on the Spider-Man: Homecoming board?
Have fun !
P.S. I find it funny that you call people "moron", "fool", etc, yet here you are crying and running off to the moderator when the shoe is on the other foot.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1648190/board/flat/258458984?d=258605824#258605824
---
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing .
I've seen very few racists on the Spider-man board, I've seen a few braindead SJW's desperately defending the casting for something they had no interest in until the rumour of a cr*ppy PC casting though (including you).
Shouldn't you be whining some more on the Ghost in the shell board, sure your personal brand of hypocrisy is welcome on there. Along with the racists who just don't like white people, like the guy who does nothing but call people cracker and white supremacist. Who you strangely have no problem with? Interesting that.
I've seen very few racists on the Spider-man board
Along with the racists who just don't like white people
Who you strangely have no problem with?
Bump.
---
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing .
Bump.
---
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing .
[deleted]
I am re-reading the series, and there are little lines dropped all over the place about the horn. Between piecing these lines together and some of the fan theories out there, here is how I feel about the horn of Eld:
Each cycle, Roland changes some. In this cycle he regularly thinks to himself that it is unlike himself to reminisce as much as he does. He even jokes semi-regularly with his Ka-Tet, which is likely unlike previous iterations.
At one point he thinks about Jericho Hill and how Cuthbert specifically wants him to grab the horn if he should fall. This is a meaningful, symbolic action in Cuthbert's eyes. By Roland this time grabbing the horn, it shows that maybe his soul is softening even more. He is getting closer to his own redemption.
My theory is that the Tower crumbling is directly related to Roland's redemption. If Roland can repent/grow/learn love and save his soul, the tower will be saved. If he continues to renounce all things, including love, and let the ones he love die over and over, he will be trapped in the cycle forever, or until the Tower finally crumbles.
Long story short, when Roland grabbed the horn, it was the next step in towards his and the Towers eventual salvation.
Thanks for your insight. That's interesting.
sharedoesnt the legends say that the last gunslinger,when reaching the tower,is supposed to blow elds horn and that the tower recognize him as what he is ?but since roland doesnt blow the horn the tower sends him back to the point we met him first.
BUT on his way through the tower he sees his lifetime with other eyes and feelings (cuz eddie jake and susannah) and the tower puts him into a timeline where his decisions match his new feelings and now he got the horn and may end the cyrcle this time
Hope you understand what i mean my english grammar isnt the best iam from germany
Your english grammar is pretty good! I guess I don't remember the legend you speak of but I like the idea that this new timeline leaves his outlook changed from his last go around.
shareStill re-reading book 7 and there is a portion in there that explains how Roland will open the Dark Tower. It is said that a sigul of Arthur Eld's must be used to open the doors to the Dark Tower.
In the current go around, Roland uses the guns to open the tower. The guns were made from the melted down sword of Arthur Eld and therefore are a sigul of Arthur Eld. The horn also belonged to Arthur Eld and could possibly open the tower.
If Roland opened the tower with the horn instead of the guns, it could be the final part of his redemption. Since the horn represents the love he has for Cuthbert, he would be opening the tower with love instead of the murderous weapons he has used to open it every time around in the past.
I still don't know if there is a prophecy specifically about blowing the horn, but the horn could be the key.
Oh, boy. Okay, I usually try not to tread in shark infested waters, but since you seem a reasonable sort of person I'll give it a go. Please note I am not saying anyone is wrong. I respect your opinions just as I hope any reasonable person could respect mine as well. But we can agree to disagree a smidge, right?
I... didn't expect to like the last few books. And while, granted, I didn't like things that happened, I didn't think of them as complete garbage. Dare I confess, I actually kinda... enjoyed them? I didn't expect to like Wolves of the Calla, but I loved it. And trust me, I have been reading Stephen King novels my entire adult life. I started reading them before I probably should have (if my 12-year-old picked up It I'd gently pry it from her fingers and switch it out with Eyes of the Dragon). I am completely familiar with King pre-accident and post-accident, but at least as far as DT is concerned, I didn't sense too much of a difference... yanno... aside from the fact he inserted himself into his story and recreated the accident which was weird, but brother was dealing with some SERIOUS rage issues and I digress! My point is, I didn't mind the way the entire series ended as much and wouldn't mind (if it gets that far) remaining true to the story as it was told.
That aside, SO MUCH can change now, with the horn. I loved the redemption theory I read above and I do agree another flashback book would have been epic. I said before I loved Eddie hard, but my favorite character from the series was Cuthbert and would have loved a little more of him in my life. And if you take a look at how HBO took Game of Thrones, read the last book and said, "Yeah, let's like scratch most of this..." maybe (if it gets that far) you'll end up with some new timeline edits that will be more palatable to you!
I guess we'll all just have to sit and wait with high hopes, low expectations and see how this plays out!
[deleted]
Stephen King was hit by a car sometime before he wrote Dreamcatcher. He's never been, sadly, the same writer since. After he was hit by the car, he wrote the last three Dark Tower books in a span of a few years, when the previous books took a very long time between stories.
I agree completely with this. In fact, at one point SK had said back when there were only four books that there were going to be three more, and one was going to be a flashback. Of course that's not what happened, but I think there needed to be at least one more to round out the entire epic tale.
I always attributed the last books as SK becoming a sappy old man (inserting himself into the story) but the car accident probably had more to do with it than that.
The horn is important because The Dark Tower series is based off of the poem Childe Roland To The Dark Tower Came - Poem by Robert Browning. The poem ends like this:
XXXIV.
There they stood, ranged along the hill-sides, met
To view the last of me, a living frame
For one more picture! in a sheet of flame
I saw them and I knew them all. And yet
Dauntless the slug-horn to my lips I set,
And blew. ``_Childe Roland to the Dark Tower came._''
It signifies the end of the quest. If Roland doesn't have the horn with him, he can't end his quest.
That's my take.
Bump.
---
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing .