Damn it . - The Dark Tower (2017) Discussion

[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

And yes it's because Roland is black.

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[–] tylerrepotter 8 years ago

That's right. Good thing is they can just do a remake in ten years.

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[–] robbytkjr 8 years ago

Wow! I was going to post someth.. but.. I'm.. sud..dn..ly..(YAAAWWN).....?

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[–] Odin_Cat_of_Norway 8 years ago

Carl quit making alternate accounts.

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

So you just call everyone Carl who doesn't follow your path of blind praise for stupid casting decisions then? Interesting. I'm starting to think Carl might be the sensible voice in your head desperately trying to tell you the reality of how poor this looks, that you keep ignoring so associate it with random people.

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

All good points, prepare for lots of snide comments and childish remarks because you dared to criticise and not be blindly praising a poor casting though.

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[–] Note-Pad 8 years ago

Mcconaughey should be Roland. I don't get their casting choices.

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[–] momofgray 8 years ago

My thoughts exactly, the casting is reverse what it should be. It doesn't bother me so much that Irdis is black as it does he's English. So now we don't get that southern drawl that I expect Roland to have. In an interview he said Roland with have a bland American Midwest accent. Sigh,what a disappointment

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

Clint Eastwood - whom people constantly say Roland basically is - was born in San Francisco and essentially lived his whole life in California...hardly the South.

Furthermore, "The Man With No Name" did not have much of a (if any) southern drawl. Finally, I very much doubt many people considered Roland to have the equivalent of an American generic Southern accent.

P.S. Technically, Elba said "flat" and not "bland".

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[–] MaximusGrandimus 8 years ago

Seconding Whesker's sentiments, King often wrote that Roland spoke in an accent of the High Speech, that it didn't really have any kind of cultural antecedent in the American language. Your "southern drawl" is just an expectation you created for yourself based on Roland's initial descriptions, ignoring the references to High Speech that King makes throughout the series.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

By the way, in the end, I ultimately do not care how people pictured aspects of the character. Every person's interpretation is their own and messing with something that presumably brought them much enjoyment is not a goal of mine.

I merely brought up those points to showcase why their expectation in this instance was a bit unreasonable given the facts as we know them.

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[–] divisionbell-2 8 years ago

I absolutely agree with you. They've already butchered the character before it even began.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

How has the character been butchered?

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[–] divisionbell-2 8 years ago

Have you read the books and how specifically he's depicted over 7 novels??

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

*sigh*

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[–] divisionbell-2 8 years ago

That's what I thought

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

You are capable of thinking?

(I guess Roland stopped being Roland during those stretches of time he left his actual physical skin and entered the bodies of others...correct?)

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[–] divisionbell-2 8 years ago

That is a terrible argument. The times he was looking through a doorway and controlling people? No he was still Roland. Nice try though.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

When his disembodied mind was on another world? Mm hm.

It is almost as if...*gasp*...his character is not contingent upon him having light skin .

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[–] divisionbell-2 8 years ago

And yet that is not the same discussion at all. As a matter of fact a lot of this character is based on his look. Between his relationship with detta and meeting Stephen king it's actually quite a big thing. If you had read them then you'd know.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

You mean when he looks like Clint Eastwood...excuse me, Stephen King? How about the time he is described as looking like a Native American? Is he skinny, or robust? Is he ugly, or ruggedly handsome? Also, that whole "old age" thing kiiiiind of fades in and out as the plot demands.

Yes, so very important. You have truly zeroed in on the essential core of Roland Deschain of Gilead's character .

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Do you know how Roland was never described? I can give you the answer it you really need it.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

The point -> 

Your head -> 

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

Do you need me to help you to point out what Roland was never described like?

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[–] sugrnspyce4 8 years ago

Do you need me to point out who said this?

"To me, the color of the gunslinger doesn't matter. What I care about is how fast he can draw...and that he takes care of the ka-tet."

I can give you the answer if you really need it.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

Doesn't matter, sugr. Are you not aware that Mr. King is secretly being coerced by a cabal of super-liberal assassins that want him to say these things on pain of death?

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[–] sugrnspyce4 8 years ago

You're right - the PC Mafia can be ruthless. *whispers* I heard that dissenters are promptly fitted with a brand new pair of concrete shoes and just disappear altogether. 

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

The same person who also said that his readers would like Cell, and gave his full support to the atrocious Under the dome tv show. King is nothing but a yes man to whatever hack directors want to do to his stories now.

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[–] perceiveclothing 8 years ago

Blah blah blah! How can you call the director a hack??? I get that you can make the case for Goldsman being a hack... But not the director... Inexperienced? Sure. Unproven? Sure...

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[–] MaximusGrandimus 8 years ago

The worst that can be said about Akiva Goldsman is that he is hit and miss. For instance, yes he did pen the abysmal Batman and Robin, but he also penned one of the finest Batman stories, Batman Forever. He wrote A Beautiful Minds, I, Robot and Cinderella Man, and his strong suit appears to be adaptations.

As for Arcel, while his films aren't that highly rated here, I have heard much acclaim for his work and A Royal Affair seems to be pretty highly regarded and was a critical success. He has also worked on the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo - original Danish adaptation - so he's no stranger to adapting material either.

To call either of them a hack is spurious and smacks of twisting facts to support one's point of view.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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[–] Spider198 8 years ago

One poor film kinda shows someone is a hack, and as for Goldsman. Bat bloody credit card, if that doesn't scream hack then you are deluding yourselves. Unless you count numerous ice puns as the work of a talented person.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

One poor film kinda shows someone is a hack

Peter Jackson...that hack!

James Cameron...that hack!

Sidney Lumet...that hack!

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[–] MaximusGrandimus 8 years ago

The worst that can be said about Akiva Goldsman is that he is hit and miss. For instance, yes he did pen the abysmal Batman and Robin, but he also penned one of the finest Batman stories, Batman Forever. He wrote A Beautiful Minds, I, Robot and Cinderella Man, and his strong suit appears to be adaptations.

As for Arcel, while his films aren't that highly rated here, I have heard much acclaim for his work and A Royal Affair seems to be pretty highly regarded and was a critical success. He has also worked on the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo - original Danish adaptation - so he's no stranger to adapting material either.

To call either of them a hack is spurious and smacks of twisting facts to support one's point of view.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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[–] meleractor 8 years ago

I promised that I would wait until the movie drops before I unleashed hell on the deluded sycophants on this board but geeez-louieeeez I just couldn't help myself this instance.

he also penned one of the finest Batman stories, Batman Forever. He wrote A Beautiful Minds, I, Robot and Cinderella Man, and his strong suit appears to be adaptations.

To call either of them a hack is spurious and smacks of twisting facts to support one's point of view.

Jimmy two times up top there...he's...he's not gonna last long at all. Especially if he actually believes the non-sense he's espousing above.

Wow.

To those on this board who do not know Akiva Goldsman and why he is considered garbage by those with actual firing synapses please educate yourselves:

http://www.peterdavid.net/2015/01/30/the-strange-case-of-akiva-goldsman/

https://houseofgeekery.com/2016/03/22/akiva-goldsman-serial-hack-and-dark-tower-murderer/

As for the poster above. You really don't want to be here when the party starts love...you are not equipped to handle the nightmare coming your way.

You are not ready for this nightmare at all.

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[–] Captain_Wesker 8 years ago

Hooray! Caricature #2 is back .

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[–] MaximusGrandimus 8 years ago

Your Peter David article is rather self-defeating. Yes he does lament the work he had to do with the scripts he was given for Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. I actually had no idea that the finished product on Forever was much different than what Goldsman originally wrote.

But then, David (one of my favorite comic book writers, BTW) goes on to say this:

when he won the Oscar for A Beautiful Mind, I had one reaction and one reaction only: “Wow. Turns out the guy really can write.”

So, for those of us "with a firing synapse" there is room to allow that a poor writer can get better, even if the Internet doesn't want to accept that. And he DID write Cinderella man and a number of other adaptations that were actually pretty good.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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[–] ultimatepkmod 8 years ago

I'm curious to know what you perceived Roland to look like when you read the books .. Just a faceless man ?

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[–] MaximusGrandimus 8 years ago

The point is, what Roland looks like, how King described him, how readers perceived him, these are surface details that really have nothing to do with the content of his character. Yes, in some aspects the "ugly, grizzled" look that King talks about reflects where he's been, but a good actor can convey that even if he doesn't have canyons of age cratering his face.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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[–] divisionbell-2 8 years ago

Not to mention that was one section of one book and at no point did he ever stop being Roland. You really can't come up with a better argument?

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[–] KTnarnia 8 years ago

My own personal argument is that he just isn't "hard" enough for me - especially based on the set stills they've posted here on imdb. I am still mourning over the diminished hope that Daniel Day-Lewis might get the role.

http://www.youtube.com/KTnarnia

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