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Roland cast black?! Susan Delgado cast white?! HOW???


This is so saddening to say the least. Characters and storyline is what makes a truly great tale. This is absolutely unacceptable. Hollywood is a complete joke, Mr. king not only got screwed when he sold the rights for $19.19, now hes probably crying himself to sleep at night. He spent many years of his life writing this epic tale and I hoped a series or movie would be made but this just disgust me. I won't be watching and neither will anyone else that I've talked to who have read The Dark Tower series. I read many comments saying "this could actually work"! LMFAO it shouldn't have to actually work. The characters are the story, change that and the story no longer exist...

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That's Funny buddy. I never had the urge to post until this happened. I created an account just voice my opinion, just as you did. You obviously haven't read the series. No chaos intended, I'm that disgusted.

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if race has nothing to do with it then you should have had written "into a chunky professor-lookin' dude?", which would be a legit point.

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go read the books and tell me where Roland is described as a black man. he's not. that's why I say "race," as in the hot-button bullsht it is seen as today, has nothing to do with it. because it doesn't. this is just shtty casting made to pander to stupid, shtty people.

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Actually, Susan Delgado, Rolands first love who appeared in Wizard and Glass is white.

Susannah Dean, Eddie's wife, gunslinger, is black.

So actually Susan's casting, according to the book, is as King describes

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This is so saddening to say the least. Characters and storyline is what makes a truly great tale. This is absolutely unacceptable. Hollywood is a complete joke, Mr. king not only got screwed when he sold the rights for $19.19, now hes probably crying himself to sleep at night. He spent many years of his life writing this epic tale and I hoped a series or movie would be made but this just disgust me. I won't be watching and neither will anyone else that I've talked to who have read The Dark Tower series. I read many comments saying "this could actually work"! LMFAO it shouldn't have to actually work. The characters are the story, change that and the story no longer exist...
Well, here's the thing: 1) Susan Delgado was always white, or at least she appeared that way (maybe you're confusing her with Susannah?), and 2) Stephen King has not only said he's excited for the film, he's actually fine with Roland being black.

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/675472836455227393

So given that Susan's casting seems to be a non-issue and the author is on board with the actor the filmmakers chose to play Roland, what specifically about this production saddens and disgusts you?

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Watch the movie, or don't watch it, but you can't change it. They are not going to change their minds at the last minute.

It's a sequel, and Roland is black. Bitching changes nothing, otherwise Trump would not be president.

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My apologies to all as I did mix up Susannah with Susan....

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You have forgotten the face of your characters' race.
Wikipedia may come in handy sometimes, but is NOT the Library.


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If you mix up Susan Delgado and Susannah Dean your not a true fan and obviously have never read the books!

See how easy that is to say someone's not a real fan?

The fact of the matter is idris Isis is a hell of an actor and has the gunslinger attitude down.
Or you could just go with that bozo Eastwood kid since he is what you want to see.

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I am definitely a true fan. I was so caught off guard by the casting of Roland I guess it clouded everything else. Regardless, I righted my wrong. But the fact remains that the casting of Roland absolutely ruined what chances this movie had. The Tick-Tock Man would not agree nor would Mia, Daughter of none.

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But the fact remains that the casting of Roland absolutely ruined what chances this movie had.


http://tinyurl.com/9mtktpf.

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I was so caught off guard by the casting of Roland I guess it clouded everything else

http://content.internetvideoarchive.com/content/photos/9931/397305_049.jpg
But the fact remains that the casting of Roland absolutely ruined what chances this movie had

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The Tick-Tock Man would not agree nor would Mia, Daughter of none

I don't think either would have cared. They were in his road.


Black History Will Now Be Accepting Martyrs👮

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No the fact is that Idris is a bloody terrible actor, who literally plays the same part in everything and was only hired for this for a PC casting stunt to get attention. And to let them play the race card when it bombs, as proven by that idiot Goldsman already calling anyone criticising the awful casting racist.

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SPOILERS AHEAD (for the slow muties)

JMaddog, perhaps after each trip though the Dark Tower, something changes for Roland. We know time moves funny, maybe there are other temporal changes going on. The Tower is a POWERFUL place. It may be VERY LAUGHABLE to think that the Tower could change someone's race, but if anything could, IMO it would be the Tower or the Rose.

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LOL! Commala-come-one!

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So true, you had Roland which was a stone cold Clint Eastwood type character and we read all about him and now they just blackwash him for what? To appease black people!? Haha talk to any black person who's a fan of the black tower books/comics and they're just as annoyed at this *beep* I hope this tanks bad, I won't watch it and am discouraging people I know to do the same. *beep* the director and his *beep* attitude cause he's the reason for the casting and he said if people don't like who he's picked well "tough luck" haha what a prick

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No he actually said if the racist pricks don't like who he picked they can *beep* off.
He didn't say you don't like my pick your racist.
So if you get offended by his quote well....

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Oh boy. So many things wrong here, but I'll try to address as many as I can.

So true, you had Roland which was a stone cold Clint Eastwood type character and we read all about him and now they just blackwash him for what? To appease black people!?
Well, 1) though some may disagree, as long as Roland remains the doggedly determined, literal, stoic, peacemaker/diplomat/knight errant who's extremely talented with a gun, the color of his skin doesn't really matter to me. 2) "Blackwashing" is not a thing. 3) The filmmakers' initial choices for Roland, Javier Bardem and Russell Crowe, weren't being considered for the role to appease Spanish people or New Zealanders. Why do you assume that Idris Elba was cast as Roland "to appease black people"?


Haha talk to any black person who's a fan of the black tower books/comics and they're just as annoyed at this *beep*
Black people are not a monolith. *Dark Tower fans - black or otherwise - are not a monolith. Individuals within a racial group and/or fandom do not all think alike. Sure, I bet there are some black Dark Tower fans who are unhappy with the casting of Roland, but there are also many who are excited about seeing Elba in the role.


I hope this tanks bad, I won't watch it and am discouraging people I know to do the same.
I hope I'm wrong about this, but am I correct in assuming that you hope the movie tanks solely because of the concentration of the lead actor's melanin content?


*beep* the director and his *beep* attitude cause he's the reason for the casting and he said if people don't like who he's picked well "tough luck" haha what a prick
The director, Nikolaj Arcel, never said any such thing. I'm pretty sure you're talking about the comments of the executive producer, Akiva Goldsman, who basically said "the racists can go *beep* themselves." As far as I know, he was talking about those who have made overtly racist comments about Elba's casting, not about all those opposed to the casting in general.

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The director, Nikolaj Arcel, never said any such thing. I'm pretty sure you're talking about the comments of the executive producer, Akiva Goldsman, who basically said "the racists can go *beep* themselves." As far as I know, he was talking about those who have made overtly racist comments about Elba's casting, not about all those opposed to the casting in general.


Indeed.

(To those of you who don't care, don't worry: you don't have to let facts get in the way of your feelings. Keep gnashing them teeth .)

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I made a list off the top of my head 0f actors (including Elba) that could pull off Roland.

Here they are ranked:

1. Viggo Mortenson. I think he has every quality that you would want based off his Aragon.

2. Daniel Day Lewis. He can play anything.

3. Hugh Jackman. I think he could do this well if he didn't play it as Wolverine.

4. Denzel Washington. He commands the screen.

5. Idris Elba. His pros and cons have already been discussed.

6. Daniel Craig. He seems too short or something.

7. Kurt Russell and Kevin Costner. They play western characters well, but I don't like their voices for this.

9. Javier Bardem. For some reason a spanish Roland works less for me than a black one.

10. Russell Crowe. I can't put my finger on why he doesn't work for me.

That puts Elba in the middle, with a chance to pull it off. I am sure I am forgetting someone who could be the perfect Roland, but I am rooting for you Idris.

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Even up until the moment Elba was verified to play the lead role, I never really gave any thought towards which actor could/would play THE Gunslinger himself in a live-action adaptation. That said, for the longest while I vaguely pictured literary Roland as a man that bore a strong resemblance to Lance Henriksen.

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Just imagine Henriksen in any scene in The Drawing of the Three where Roland is forcing a closed-lip smile onto his face while speaking to an Eddie Dean that is equally angry and desperate. It works!

However...even if his current age were a non-factor, he is - in my opinion - about four inches too short to adequately portray Roland's stature.

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One reason I would put Elba over Washington is because the former actor is not nearly as exposed as the latter. Denzel has the acting skill, no doubt, but his image has become so ubiquitous in the realm of Hollywood. Furthermore, I find it increasingly difficult to keep the character he is playing and the man's "one size fits all" cultivated persona separate from one another.

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That is true, though he still tends to disappear into a character for me better than say a Tom Cruise.

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No Christian Bale?
I actually heard he was in the running for awhile. Him with a beard maybe?




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And yet more excuses for Goldsman playing the racist card. He called anyone opposed the sh*tty casting racist, you are just pretending otherwise because it proves they are out to make a point with the casting (and that point isn't casting Roland right).

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There's the literal way to read it (in which he specifically is referring to a-holes that are racist) and the alternative interpretation ("anyone who is disappointed with this decision is an a-hole that is also racist)".

Funny how your mind goes to the alternative immediately and just sits there .

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No my mind went to exactly what he meant. You being a lying fool, you went immediately to making excuses for Goldsman idiocy. Most likely because that proves that the casting was just a publicity stunt.

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so the defining characteristic FOR YOU, about Eastwood is thathe was white?

not any other personality or attributes yeah - JUST THE SKIN COLOUR yeh? So why not pick any white dude as the archetype for Roland.


If all you saw in the Clint Eastwood cowboy movies is that Clint was white, you weren't watching them.

nice one mate. Try not to post too often.

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