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Is this going to be better than The Shawshank Redemption?


Because that movie was dumb. I hope this one will at least be better than that. Otherwise I'll have to skip this.

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Why do you believe The Shawshank Redemption to be dumb?

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He's obviously trolling.

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These days...man...you never can be fully certain.

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IMDB, the place on the internet where calling The Shawshank Redemption dumb makes you a troll.

Seriously, that movie was dumb. Full of exposition and no subtlety at all. I guess that's how you adapt a short story into a 2hr+ movie.

But to be fair, this movie has potential to be worse considering the odd casting choice. Did nobody realize the Detta story in Book 2 was already standard SJW fodder?

So this was just a way to express my worries about this film. I'd really deem it an acceptable effort if it's not worse than Shawshank.

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SJW


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#triggered

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I find it amusing how people (mostly bitter men) are rebranding everything that doesn't blatantly and completely kiss the ass of Caucasian/white heterosexual men as "SJW" or "PC".

P.S. You picked a book with almost stereotypical Mafiosos and a cartoon character of a black woman ("Butterfly McQueen" meets "Mandingo", I believe Eddie said) as your definition of "SJW". Even if you want to argue that Odetta is the ultimate in "SJW" material for being a crippled black woman that's mentally and physically sharp, there's simply too much other "unfortunate implication" clutter that stands in defiance of the caricature you've already concocted.

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Ughhhh, smh. Look who's the one projecting.

Do you even understand what SJW means? It's a fancy term for idiots.

And the Detta story is already the quintessential material for SJW pandering, making Roland's casting redundant and thus even more stupid. Hope that's clear enough for you.

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Okay, I'll bite and expand on my reaction. The Shawshank Redemption (TSR) is the #1 most popular film on IMDb. Now that does not mean you can't disklike it. But it does mean that a LOT of people do like it. So for you to throw around sentiments like "that movie [TSR] was dumb" and stating that The Dark Tower would have to be better than TRS in order for you to give it a chance is like saying that all the many, many people that like TSR are wrong to like it. It seems like an obvious attempt at getting a reaction out of the people that like TSR and at the same time taking a dig at The Dark Tower.

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It seems like an obvious attempt at getting a reaction out of the people that like TSR and at the same time taking a dig at The Dark Tower.

That's spot-on, I'll give you that.

But Shawshank is still, objectively, a dumb movie devoid of meaning. And I meant it when I said I hope this one will be better, though from what little I've seen it might well not be. So I'm not likely to be watching it, which I acknowledge doesn't mean anything either. Just wanted to get it out there.

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But Shawshank is still, SUBjectively, a dumb movie devoid of meaning.


Fixed that for ya.

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I though Shawshank was a timeless, classic piece of cinema, and it always will be.

"That's it. It bit into his arm-pit. Like It wanted to eat him, man. Like It wanted to eat his heart."

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http://thatwasnotinthebook.com/diff/rita_hayworth_and_shawshank_redemption_book_1982_vs_the_shawshank_redeption_movie_1994

Likely a troll comment/thread. lol Shawshank is a classic and I am optimistic about The Dark Tower film.

Well they have one major similarity the main characters in the both books (Shawshank/Dark Tower) are different races. Red (played by Morgan Freeman) is a white Irish dude in the Shawshank books. That seemed to turn out okay its the #1 film on IMDB, not that I am saying that Dark Tower will be right up there critically. End of the day if the film isn't the best the Dark Tower books aren't going anywhere. Its not like all the Dark Tower books will spontaneously combust since Roland is being played by Idris Elba. I think Idris Elba will be great anyway and hopefully will succeed in establishing himself in an iconic role. Some people just gonna hate regardless its casting now but if the film and Idris are great they will just hate on it because it was successful (like some with Force Awakens).

I don't understand why people are getting all worked up about the changes from the Dark Tower books to the film. At the end of the day I just want them to make the film great in whatever way is most conducive to the cinematic story. I am choosing to look at this like how cinematic universe franchises like Star Wars cherry pick the best material from legends novels and Marvel who does the same from comics. The Dark Tower's material has been around for decades as long as they capture the essence of that material what is the problem.



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You know what, Shawshank wasn't even one of King's best works. So it stands to reason that a movie adopted from King's magnum opus is expected to be much better. I don't know why you don't expect as much.

It's disingenuous to dismiss the fact that you expect this movie will be worse than Shawshank because Shawshank is a "classic".

If it indeed turns out to be worse than Shawshank, it's a terrible adaptation.

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if i had to bet on it without seeing it id say shawshank will be better than dark tower because the books where so effing good.

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Because [The Shawshank Redemption] was dumb.


First, all your taste is in your mouth. It's a funny thing how the internet enables pretentious, narcissistic little trolls with tiny imaginations and over-inflated egos the voice that should not be heard. Perhaps you should spend more time watching indie German films and spoo from Lars Von Trier.

Comments like yours is why IMDB is closing the message boards.

To answer the question, no, this movie will not be better than Shawshank, and in all likelihood it is probably going to suck balls. Don't get me wrong, if it was named anything other than "The Dark Tower" and all the characters and settings were renamed it might be an interesting movie, but historically no novel of Stephen King's has made a successful translation to the big screen; far too many threads which motivate the characters get completely lost (see "Cell"). However, they're going to take a series of books, convert them into a story line that fits the same old tired movie formula, and give people something that isn't quite the story readers were originally presented.

King's short stories make far better movies, like "The Shawshank Redemption", "The Green Mile", "Stand By Me", and I'll even throw "The Mist" in there because I liked it.

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historically no novel of Stephen King's has made a successful translation to the big screen


Except, you know, The Shining. So obviously King has a terrible track record in choosing who to adapt his novels. But it's not that his novels can't be successfully translated to the big screen.

To be fair, I too liked The Green Mile and didn't mind Shawshank, when I was 15. So I totally get where you're coming from.

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But even The Shining, though successful, was only a twisted semblance of the story Stephen King wrote. And while I can't say I enjoyed all of the movies (I shudder whenever anyone says Tommyknockers) I loved Firestarter, The Stand (when we forget the televised God's hand ending), It and even Pet Cemetary. Were any of them quite as good as the books? Of course not. Shawshank was a rarity (and dude, I don't know how anyone can even pretend Shawshank wasn't a masterpiece).

Something (some things) will always need to be altered, and sometimes we'll alter things that don't need it and it will turn out that much better! I can't picture anyone other than Morgan Freeman as Red, for instance. I can't pretend to know why or even entirely agree with some of the changes that have been made in this movie, but considering it's a SEQUEL without so much as a proper trailer yet, I think judgments on its caliber may be a bit premature.

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(and dude, I don't know how anyone can even pretend Shawshank wasn't a masterpiece)


I dunno, people who don't like melodrama and drawn-out expositions?

But thing is, we can't really compare books with movies. Hence why the comparison between movie adaptations. Lots of dreadful books have been made into reasonably entertaining movies, yet in the wrong hands, masterpieces can be made into terrible movies (case in point, King's own adaptation of The Shining.) And given its source material, Shawshank was a very pedestrian adaptation. So hopefully this one won't be worse than that.

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Well, while I disagree with your assessment of Shawshank (or maybe my tastes are just pedestrian in nature), I do hear you. I mean, all we really can do is hope for the best with this since we don't have a Hell of a lot to go by yet.

If you've already covered this topic I apologize (I don't want to go through the entire strand - lazy me), which of Stephen King's movies do you approve of? I do think you cited the Stanley Kubrick version of The Shining as a movie you like, but I'm curious if there are any others.

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Ha! You got me. I don't think I've watched any of King's movies beyond the ones I mentioned earlier, unless there are some I didn't realize were King's work. I'll remember to check out the ones you mentioned sometime.

I'm not really into horror films though, so many of King's work don't connect with me. In fact I think Nicholson's overacting kind of ruined The Shining. In this genre Rosemary's Baby was the one I like the most.

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I'm not a big fan of the actress that played Wendy, either, but I felt sorry for her when I saw a little mini documentary on the making of the movie. It turns out Stanley Kubrick was extremely cruel to her - Shelly Duval! That's her name. He practically tortured her throughout the making of it.

If you're not a big horror movie fan, Firestarter is a good on for you. The Green Mile is another prison film, but not a horror story. The TV version of The Stand is pretty good. I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking of, too. All of those movies do have a supernatural element to them, but I don't think any would really classify as horror.

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I love Kubrick's films when they are hyperstylized, like The Clockwork Orange. I can imagine it must have been hard for some actors to get into that kind of style. I actually felt Duvall did well though, considering how some utterly failed at it like Nicholson and to a lesser degree Tome Cruise, even under Kubrick's obsessive direction.

I'll be sure to check out The Stand sometime.

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Duval's performance was very organic because she was just as traumatized in reality as Wendy was supposed to be as a character, ha ha! If you ever get around to watching any of those let me know what ya think... Yanno; on these boards that will no longer exist!

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Ha, I got a feeling we're being archived for posterity. Don't quote me on that though.

When IMDb shuts down I'll just head to themoviedb.org to continue crapping on Shawshank. Oops, I already did!

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