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If You Like This, You're An Idiot


Serious question. not even trolling. Just want to know. If you have any familiarity with this story at all and are NOT frustrated by them casting a black man, do you have some kind of developmental disability? Severe autism, down syndrome, brain damage, etc?

Because I come from a place where toxic bullsht is constantly being passed off as truth when it is not. I can't believe so many people could be so stupid as to believe an iconic Gunslinger-type character, based mainly on Eastwood's Man With No Name, could just be played by a black man.

No, this isn't racism. No, Elba's acting chops are not relevant. No, you shouldn't put your hand in your mouth after handling oily rags. This is you being an idiot.

So seriously, are you retarded? If not, then please just be honest for the first time in your life and admit somewhere the real reasons for liking this. Were you abandoned by your father, and this is the way you deal with it, by lavishing your affection on the disgustingly unworthy things which you secretly perceive yourself to be? 😝

I won't tell anyone.

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So I guess you're a perfect example of why they've chosen to shut down the boards. Putting you on ignore so don't bother responding unless you feel it serves your purposes and agenda.

Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion

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+1

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The OP is the reason these boards are shutting down.

'Arm_the_Masses' is the reason I'll be sad to see them go.

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I gotta say somewhere that I'm honestly not a douchebag or an @sshole. hear me out here.

I've encountered guys I'd call "douchebags" in my life. I'm not one of them. I do not bully people or browbeat them just because I feel a need to assert my own wank-ass perceived superiority. I happen to hate people like that. I'm generally a very nice person with anger issues and a few weird quirks like having a blank, stare-ey look on my face.

No. See, I love art. And I love great literature.

Why?

BECAUSE LIFE SUCKS! Life is pain, frustration, unmet expectations, and heartbreak.

See, and great literature -- for instance, Stephen King's "It" and "the Dark Tower" -- are one of the few things that can make life seem like it's worth living.

Because truly great literature manages to capture something secret and true that most, if not all, people can relate to. It's a resonating wave that can make you feel like you're a part of something meaningful, and greater than yourself.

My true love for great art is why when I see IDIOTS -- utter fcking IDIOTS -- screwing with the details of this story for some vapid-assed, no-one's-gonna-give-a-sht-about-it-in-five-minutes, trendy-ass dipsht reason, I draw the line.

When you screw with the details, you pollute the great story.

"It" was one thing, but this? Making Roland a chunky black dude? Oh Jesus Christ. I have absolutely zero respect for you SHEEP who see this and don't have an automatic gag reflex. It is STUPID. Objectively STUPID, some lame-ass appeal to some lefty agenda.

An agenda which is the reason, by the way, that Trump got elected. I proudly voted for him.

I do not understand why you don't get this, and I don't respect your reasons for it. That's where I might be called a "douchebag" because I'm calling you out for supporting this stupid, stupid sht. You are sheep who are basically telling Hollywood to keep making these fcking abortions that have no lasting value at all.

Hollywood is the douchebag, robbing the masses of entertainment which can feed our souls, in the name of money and politics. And you're his little pals.

Life for your crop.

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If you have to tell us you're not an *beep* you're probably an *beep* I reckon you're a racist too.

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are you serious?

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Douchebag

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one day. not yet tho. I'm cutting before doing lean bulking for the first time in my life. I don't know if I'll succeed but I'm gonna try. I deserve to fck as many sluts as the next guy.

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Honestly, why are men so quick to put down any woman who will sleep with them as "sluts"? If a man sleeps around with a lot of women, than that ought to make him a "slut" too. Women enjoy sex as much as men, so why the hell should they be put down for it? It's an equal opportunity way to enjoy each other. Enough of the stupid name-calling. Also I don't get why some men feel they're entitled to get all the women they want when they haven't done one damn thing to show why a woman would even want their a**** in the first place.

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If you were truly passionate about the arts, you would be able to allow for changes to source material when adapting for a new medium. This long-winded defense of your position ONLY serves to show how big of a douche/racist you truly are. YOU, sir, are the idiot here.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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I hereby revoke your grand name. I dub thee "peasant." Now I'm gonna rape you:

If you were truly passionate about the arts, you would be able to allow for changes to source material when adapting for a new medium.


No, I already am truly passionate about great art, which is what I've already told you this story is.

This story, being great, is fine the way it is. The only changes there should be are those that are necessary for the film medium -- for example: condensing long conversations, and getting rid of sub-plots that aren't necessary to the rest of the story.

To illustrate, Peter Jackson's "Lord Of The Rings" condensed Legolas' multiple-paragraph speech about Fangorn Forest down to one sentence.

And the sub-plot of Tom Bombadil was gotten rid of because it had extremely little bearing on the rest of the story.

Do you get it? These weren't exactly "changes." They were more like "expurgations" due to the limitations of movie length.

This is not the same thing as making Gollum a transvestite, or Gandalf a tentacled kidney voiced by Sheryl Crow, or making Middle-Earth into 1970's Thailand.

Which is, I hope for your sake to understand, the exact same kind of retarded changes they made by casting a black man as Roland, and fcking warping the storyline beyond recognition.

Since you cannot comprehend this, then I hope for the sake of the world that you are not in a position to create art.

This long-winded defense of your position ONLY serves to show how big of a douche/racist you truly are. YOU, sir, are the idiot here.


Hmm. Interesting. I think I need to translate for you:

You don't share my opinion, therefore you are a turkey-insufflating cockwomble of the purest ray serene! Poopooface!! Doodyhead! AAAARRRGH I'M AN IDIOT!!! DUHHHHHHHH


lol ok

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The ONLY major change we know of is changing Roland's race. The other changes I am aware of are simply instinces of rearranging story elements that were already there to occur at different times. This is really not that different than the expurgations regarding Lord of the Rings.

These are all things that have been hashed out a million times or more on these boards and, quite frankly I'm sick and tired of making arguments that fall on deaf ears. You are not the sole arbiter of what makes great art and you are judging a piece of art before it is finished/made available to the public. All I am or ever have advocaited is to wait until it's out. I will see it and judge it then. Excuse me for refusing to condemn something BEFORE I've seen it. If it's horrible I'll be the first to say so, believe me. But I refuse to condemn ANY adaptation - ANY piece of art, be it a book, movie, TV series, whatever, until I've experienced it for myself. If that makes me an idiot then so be it. When my books are best sellers, there will be a special clause to ensure you never read them, since you don't want me to be responsible for any piece of art out there. If you can't handle that other people have a different outlook than you, have different tolerances for changes to a beloved work (which I have been following for 27 years now) then you really are the douchebag you purport not to be. I will not lie and say I'm not disappointed in the fact that changes are being made but I also accept that I have NO CONTROL over that. If it sucks, it sucks. You still have the books though so in the end nothing is lost. Your attitude makes it seem as if we will only be allowed to have the movies once they're made and thus shows your idiocy in the matter.

Good day, sir!

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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LOL at your mic drop. Because a white man playing a black historical figure is the same as a black man playing a FICTIONAL character. A character who comes from a world where RACE WAS NEVER FCKNG MENTIONED BY KING AS PLAYING A SIGNIFICANT SOCIETAL ROLE.

Just love how the ones who bandy about phrases like Snowflake and SJW are ones getting offended by A FCKN MOVIE and CASTING CHOICES. The funny thing is you don't even see how ridoculous you're being. BWA-HAH-HAH-HAH-HA! FCKN IDIOT

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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First, I notice by your poor writing skills and lack of insight that you're probably either young or not very bright.


So much for your astute skills of observation, which have failed you poorly. I am 36, I hold a degree in theatre/film. I'm actually about to publish my second novel. Excuse the long paragraph but if you actually bothered to read it you would see it's all along one connected idea or thread, and as such should remain together in one paragraph, as the point of paragraphs is to separate ideas.

Care to try again?

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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Oh yeah? I have a degree in film too, genius! From one of the most prestigious film schools in the USA! Y'know what that means? JACK SHT!

I don't care if you've published thirty novels. I know good writing when I see it, and your blob of crappy puddle-deep arguments made me fall asleep by the third sentence. Sorry, you're not a DeQuincy or Dickens.

Even if you were, I refuted every one of your arguments. Before the IMDB thought police swooped down and protected you and everyone else here from the harsh light of pitiless reason.

This is exactly why I don't respect you, or people like you. You fckin leftists are indulged in your delusions by a worldwide cultural and political juggernaut that has an investment in your mental illness. I've got problems too, but no one gives a sht because they're not "PC."

What were your novels about? tranny vampires? is your name Poppy Z. Brite II?

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Hah. Hah. Hah. Your gesticulations would be so funny if you weren't so utterly serious. And no, you did not refute anything. You stopped at my first point and went on a long-winded diatribe that was sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Answer me this, hothead. Who exactly expressed outrage or offense at Roland's whiteness prior to the casting of Elba? And what exactly is the financial gain in appeasing that small of a group that, by all accounts doesn't seem to be very vocal?

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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Hah. Hah. Hah. Your gesticulations would be so funny if you weren't so utterly serious.


Hm. You're ignoring the shtton of substance I wrote -- and it was substance, full of articulate examples, like the distracting ethnicity of the Hispanic man they replaced Liam Neeson with in one of the sequels to Raimi's "Darkman" -- and then you just basically say "ha ha you're funny."

😐 okay. You're an idiot. By "idiot," I mean "incapable of thinking critically about your beliefs." You're the exact kind of person this pile of sht is marketed to.

And no, you did not refute anything.


Yes. I did. But then IMDB coddled you.

I said that race exists. I said that there are certain physical and mental traits that typically occur in all the races. I said that to disbelieve this is to ignore the realities that inform stereotypes. And then I said that these stereotypes, which we've all unconsciously internalized for a good reason, have a huge effect in how we relate to characters in the movies we watch.

That's why some Hispanic dude who sounds like Ricky Ricardo is a crappy replacement for Liam Neeson in Darkman. And that's why Idris Elba is a crappy replacement for a young Clint Eastwood lookalike.

But you don't even have to get into that un-PC sht. Another retarded point you made was that a fictional character's casting is more flexible than a real person, as say in a biography.

This is bullsht. Fictional characters, at least ones that are as deeply embedded in the collective consciousness as Roland of Gilead, are the sum of their traits. Just like real people, like MLK or Gandhi. Their race is one of their traits.

Remember that stunningly dumb movie they made of "Pinocchio" in the early 2000s? You know, the one where Pinocchio was played by a freakin' balding 50-year-old man with a bowling ball belly? Yeah, that movie tanked because they ignored the traits that make the character Pinocchio who he is.

Pinocchio's a little boy. Not a middle-aged man. Retarded fail. But you know what's more retarded? Calling me an "ageist" for noticing this obvious fact.

*shrugs* I honestly don't know what's wrong with you that you don't just "get" this. And you're college educated, plus a published author? Jesus wept.

You stopped at my first point and went on a long-winded diatribe that was sound and fury, signifying nothing.


No it wasn't. I made more well-presented and interesting points than you ever will in your life. if your points weren't refuted, then feel free to tell me why. then i'll feel free to patiently explain to you again why you're in delusion because of some strange emotional reason which I do not understand.

Who exactly expressed outrage or offense at Roland's whiteness prior to the casting of Elba?


............... what?

what in hell are you on about here?

........ are you trying to imply that Elba's casting was the result of people who were mad that King's Roland was white?

No one was outraged... They made the decision to cast Elba because they thought it was a neat gimmick to make money, and maybe stir up negative publicity.

And what exactly is the financial gain in appeasing that small of a group that, by all accounts doesn't seem to be very vocal?


your very, very strange suggestion that there is necessarily a "small group of people who were outraged at Roland's whiteness" is just retarded to me, I don't know where that even comes from, that's like saying the whole story is really about diabetes or that Sheb was the real Gunslinger all along or something.

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Yep!

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You made nbo valid points while the OP made plenty. Your retardation and inability to answer gives you away. Put the world on ignore, f8uck stain, see if that helps your ignorance.

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No, this isn't racism


Yep, racism just about sums it up.

You have a problem with dusk.

The End.


Black History Will Now Be Accepting Martyrs👮

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hm. why was this post deleted?

all I said was that my arguments were ignored, and the guy I was replying to made me fall asleep.

weird. I think there's one or two guys here that are, like, flagging the hell out of me or something.

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First thing I thought when they cast him as a black man was "well, they're changing that, what the f*uck ELSE are they gonna' change". That was taken as racism. I was told things like 'They will barely have to change anything blah blah blah".

Next month, EVERYTHING is changed and they're saying "No, it still doesn't matter because he has the horn of eld, stop hiding your racism blah blah".

The ignorance is astounding and at this point, Roland being black is the least of my problems with this 'adaptation" or "sequel". People who haven't read the books, when asking if theyre the same.. that's gonna' be an awkward conversation.

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thanks. finally, a sane person.

I fear for my mental health and blood pressure should I look any deeper into what they've changed in this "adaptation." I'm sure it's some twisted idiot bullsht, based on what little I've read here.

It's obvious to me, by now, that this isn't even really an adaptation of Stephen King's work at all. It's, like, some kind of gay-ass soapbox they've made for Black Lives Matter and whatever other Liberal Issue Of The Week they're trying to projectile-defecate onto us.

I almost wish they'd just be more clever about it, but this is just annoying.

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Sure that's their fallback argument everyone who doesn't agree with this is a racist. Go over to the ghost in the shell board and you will see them flip flop on the same topic meanwhile they are rioting in Cal Berkley and destroying property at black lives matter rally.

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The main problem I have is that it fundamentally must change the lineage backstory because how is Elba descended from King Arthur? In addition to that, he is also supposed to have a look of Stephen King (as mentioned in book 7 and 8) There's a time and a place for all things and this was a time the director displayed a complete lack of engagement and understanding in the source material for this to even resemble the books. There are marches on the streets when whitewashing occurs, what is this to be considered as?

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The main problem I have is that it fundamentally must change the lineage backstory because how is Elba descended from King Arthur?
The answer's pretty simple, really. The change to Roland's lineage in the movie universe(s) might be one of the following: A) Roland's entire lineage from Arthur Eld on down is black, B) one or more of Arthur Eld's side-wives and their resulting descendants are black, or C) one or more of the descendants of Arthur Eld's side-wives will take husbands/wives or lovers that are black. Possibly a combination of B and C. Whatever the case, it's still very possible for Roland to be black and still be descended from Arthur Eld.


In addition to that, he is also supposed to have a look of Stephen King (as mentioned in book 7 and 8)
Yes, that's one of the ways Roland is described in the books (and I'm guessing you mean books 6 and 7 since the Stephen King aspect of his appearance wasn't mentioned in the "8th" book, The Wind Through the Keyhole). But this is a film adaptation (one of several, assuming the first one does well) and, as usual, some things are changed or lost in the translation from book to film. Also, considering that the latter half of the series, namely books 5 - 7, seem to be the least favorite and constant bones of contention among fans, many people have said that they wouldn't mind much of the content in the last three books - and Stephen King's appearance in the story specifically - being changed or removed. So casting aside, with all the changes being made for the film adaptation(s) that we know about so far, those fans might've gotten their wish and the "Roland looks like Stephen King" element wouldn't have come into play anyway.


There's a time and a place for all things and this was a time the director displayed a complete lack of engagement and understanding in the source material for this to even resemble the books.
The director is a huge fan of the books and knows the series well, which is what initially impressed the film studio in the first place.


There are marches on the streets when whitewashing occurs, what is this to be considered as?
LOL - I can assure you that while there are marches for several issues, whitewashing isn't one of them. And as far as the filmmakers and many fans are concerned, Idris Elba as Roland is considered an inspired casting choice.

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The answer's pretty simple, really. We have no respect for Stephen King's work, we just want to use it as a soapbox from which to spray-diarrhea our retarded leftist ideology.


*raises eyebrows and nods* yeah.

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"The answer's pretty simple, really. We have no respect for Stephen King's work, we just want to use it as a soapbox from which to spray-diarrhea our retarded leftist ideology."



*raises eyebrows and nods* yeah.
...oh, I see. You're not actually concerned with addressing anything I've said or having civilized discussions or debates with others about an upcoming movie based on a great story we all love. You're one of those "I don't have anything meaningful or intelligent to say, so I'll insult, belittle, and condescend" kind of posters. Got it.

If you'd like to have an actual grown-up discussion about the series or the upcoming movie between now and when these boards enter the clearing at the end of the path next week, let me know. 

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I gives a damn.


This is the truest thing you've said in your posts. YOU give a damn. Some of us don't. That doesn't make our love for the books any less genuine.

Don't you DARE speak for someone else's love of a piece of art, just because they don't agree with the sht you're slinging. You are a deplorable chore of a person and I feel sorry for ANYONE who has to deal with you in a personal capacity.

That is, if you ever leave your basement.

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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hmmmmmm...

when u say you "don't give a damn," you mean that you "don't give a damn about a key detail of the main character around whom this entire fantasy world revolves."

*shrugs* I mean, okay. whatever. that means you don't care about the integrity of the story.

Why don't you understand that? What's so hard about this?

Hey, while we're at it, let's make Jake an Indian boy with a parasitic Siamese twin growing out of his belly. And Oy will be a robot that shts mercury. Pfft!!

you've given me zero feedback on my valid criticisms, by the way. You've just insulted them and me personally. I'm used to that. Yeah, they're all "sht slinging" and I'm "deplorable," whatever that means. Fine, okay. But why? I'm willing to listen if you want to discuss WHY the points I raise are so fcking anathema to you.

You are a deplorable chore of a person and I feel sorry for ANYONE who has to deal with you in a personal capacity.

That is, if you ever leave your basement.


You may find it hard to believe, but I work full-time, am involved (a little, but still) in the local music scene, and have had good sex with a woman I'm attracted to twice in the last few weeks. So I'm immune to your fckin "neckbearded chode" stock insult.

My posts are so long because, well, I'm passionate about this sht and I like to write.

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Ha - well isn't that something. Here I was, all ready to read what I'm sure was a fascinating reply from Pozdnyshev, and it's apparently been deleted by an administrator. Interesting.

Considering your response to him/her, I guess it's safe to assume that I didn't miss anything important then?

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Apparently, he's archiving his posts and reposting them after the admins clean house. Pretty much reveals himself as the racist piece of crap he is...

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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Apparently, he's archiving his posts and reposting them after the admins clean house. Pretty much reveals himself as the racist piece of crap he is...
Ah haaa, somehow I'm not surprised. I just tried to check his last reply to me and lo and behold - once again, "This message has been deleted by an administrator." Oh well. *supershrug*

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If his reviews are anything to go by, you probably weren't missing much.

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Review of "Sausage Party"

Why does everything in Hollywood have to be so damned gay now? And I don't mean "gay" in a homosexual-bashing kind of way, necessarily (though I am sick of seeing homosexuality being put on a pedestal; I get it, some people are freaks, shut up!). I mean "gay" in a "banal, immature, and stupid" kind of way.


Bigoted and immature. Winner winner chicken dinner?

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Review of "The VVitch: A New-England Folktale"

Autistic Family Drama


Movie itself isn't about autism. Bigoted.

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Review of "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"

But this guy is so retarded that it's irresponsible to present him as a potential date for ANY chick.

He sits cross-legged on the ground in public drawing in his sketchpad, he dresses like a damned fifteen year old girl with Aspergers syndrome, and he lives in his own world. He doesn't need a girlfriend, he needs someone to teach him that some of his behaviors are not helping him in life at all. Like a "big brother" for adults. The script should have known that.

Winslet's character is a wolf in sheep's clothing, a damaged slut who would not just quickly tire of a boring nerd like Carrey and cheat on him once, but over and over again. She'll probably keep whoring it up until she's too old and/or diseased to make that work for her, and then she'll live with a lot of cats. Many people think this is "progressive," but it's really just the cultural equivalent of a Thalidomide baby: a nasty mutation that doesn't do anyone any good.

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The scene where the kids run the machine on Carrey and steal his food and liquor was just disgusting. What a couple of spoiled turds! They were such insufferable children that I stopped caring about the movie at all, I just wanted to see something bad happen to them. Like getting raped by wolves.


Not much to say here. It's self explanatory.

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Review of "Elysium"

Economic inequality exists, but to just jump to the conclusion that diversity through force is a good thing without asking any questions as to why those two groups came to live in those circumstances in the first place? Retarded. Maybe the Earth deserves its squalor and overpopulation because stupid people are crapping out babies they can't or won't take care of. Or that there's no nuclear families.


A very 1950s "Leave it to Beaver" mentality.

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Review of "American Beauty"

When this Marxist turd came out

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Also, the thing with the plastic bag in the wind being beautiful was just gay. I get it, it sounds deep and philosophical and people are afraid of being seen as dull if they don't agree. I also get that if a plastic bag in the wind is beautiful, then so is every other commonplace thing, like coffee pots and car exhaust. If everything on earth is beautiful, that robs you of the ambition to create beauty since it's already there. What a great excuse for not feeling bad about never doing anything.

By extension, if everything is beautiful, then all behavior is equally beautiful. Therefore morality is subjective. Therefore anything is justified as long as it "feels right." What a great way to lubricate the phallus of immorality into the quivering psychic vaginas of naive young people looking for an excuse to indulge in every selfish whim, regardless of the consequences.


More 1950s thinking (though he used "Marxist" rather than "Communist", to be fair) and missing the point of the movie on top of that (that there is beauty in small things too and you don't need high-class merchandise to be content).

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Review of "Let the Right One In"

Oh gross. The movie successfully manipulated me into sanctioning homosexuality. The world doesn't need this Leftist *beep* right now, where gender roles are aggressively blurred.

Good job, filmmakers, you successfully used a truly touching story about innocent young romance to sell murder without consequences, homosexuality, and transsexualism. You sick, cunning bastards.


Other sexualities are bad. Gotcha. Even more bigotry.

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It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing .

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If his reviews are anything to go by, you probably weren't missing much.
Ha - yeeeeah, these are pretty ridiculous. Definitely doesn't seem like the kind of person who'd be able to hold a civil adult conversation. The irony of this portion of his Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind review, though: "...he needs someone to teach him that some of his behaviors are not helping him in life at all." LOL

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And of course his following answer was given with no sense of irony whatsoever:

You may find it hard to believe, but I work full-time, am involved (a little, but still) in the local music scene, and have had good sex with a woman I'm attracted to twice in the last few weeks. So I'm immune to your fckin "neckbearded chode" stock insult.


I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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   Well good for him, I guess. But LOL at his assumption that being "successful" (his version of it, anyway) and being a terrible person are mutually exclusive.

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But LOL at his assumption that being "successful" (his version of it, anyway) and being a terrible person are mutually exclusive.


Are we discussing a major revelation? For a distressing number of people, the former excuses the latter.

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It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing .

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Are we discussing a major revelation? For a distressing number of people, the former excuses the latter.
LOL - so true.

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I want to hear more about his sex life. I've been lonely.

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I want to hear more about his sex life. I've been lonely.
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Was saying it was a woman he was attracted to really necessary?

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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Absolutely, because it also implies he might still be having sex with unattractive women too until he's finished getting cut so can then work on bulking up so he can have sex with ALL the sluts. These are important details max!

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LOL! I heart you guys.

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I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
--Sayid

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I feel the same way about the human world and love the arts, which I will fight to protect, even art that offends,...especially art that offends.

What they are trying to pull with all this excessive PC BS is just censorship disguised and sold as something progressive, when clearly, its the very opposite. They want to poke their heads out of their safe-spaces just long enough to edit characters and places so they do not offend someone (like they tried to do with the Twin Towers), completely negating the fact that it offends many of the original viewers, they tell us our opinions are not valid because we are racist or otherwise detrimental to society. Thats just a boogieman tactic, its not a new one either, its always easier to blame everything on someone you don't like/understand/agree with.


I attempt to point out banned books to people to get the point across. Great works of art such as Letters from the Earth by Mark Twain
http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/twain/letearth.htm

Banned in his own time because it was a comedy about Satan writing to God and explaining why humans suck in general, naturally it offended the religious types.


Or the Painted Bird by Jerzy Kosinski
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Painted_Bird

An extremely dark story about a half Jewish half German boy trying to survive in the countryside during WWII, an amazingly powerful story of vengeance that was banned because it offended someone. Views have changed, old wounds and people are gone, so the books are no longer banned, which is great, but the act of removing or otherwise distorting these stories, these great works of art, should never have happened in the first place. Its disrespectful to everyone involved, its a form of repressing history.


It is sad that the excessive PC (what we mean when we say SJW) crowd and their ilk immediately resort to words like racist and bigot. You know what shaming really is, shaming is just an excuse for them to act like bullies, the very people they claim responsible for whatever they currently find offensive. As you said, its a waste of energy and it does nothing to move us forward.


Let me break it down for the noobs; in an interview Idris Elba said that Roland is not a cowboy and that there are no cattle in his world, thus he is not a cowboy, which proves he has not even read the books and knows nothing of the Arthurian lineage.

This is the interview but its been taken down, I'll see if I can find the original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjRGD1886P0&feature=youtu.be&t=5m21s

EDIT: Here is the video, the part I'm talking about is at 5 minutes 21 seconds: http://ew.com/article/2016/07/21/dark-tower-idris-elba-roland-gunslinger-accent/


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Let me break it down for the noobs; in an interview Idris Elba said that Roland is not a cowboy and that there are no cattle in his world, thus he is not a cowboy, which proves he has not even read the books and knows nothing of the Arthurian lineage.


We've been through this before. Either you forgot the points I made, or outright ignored them.

Anyhow, let's start.

Idris Elba said that Roland is not a cowboy


Roland isn't a cowboy. He is a gunslinger and more of a knight-errant than the sterotypical Hollywood Wild West gunslinger at that.

People may mix up "cowboy" and "gunslinger" all the time, but the definitions are what they are. Some cowboys are indeed gunslingers but not all gunslingers are cowboys.

that there are no cattle in his world


Did he literally say cattle do not exist in Mid-World? Furthermore, was he speaking of Mid-World in its heyday or now when the world has "moved on"?

which proves he has not even read the books and knows nothing of the Arthurian lineage


How so?


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Captain Wesker wrote:

I am a butt. Hear me fart.

KA-BLATFF.

Ahhh. Wanna hear that again?

KER-FARBT.

Heh.


nkay

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Oh boy, are we really on this cattle thing again? 

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I don't understand why you feel bullied, lone-foxx, by a simple casting choice. Call me a SJW if you want, call me PC, call me all the snowflake jabs you want. At the end of the day, all I see when I see the change in Roland's casting in Idris Elba is a simple casting choice. And I seriously believe that's all anyone at SONY saw when they cast him.

I have tried to get people playing the SJW/Snowflake card to explain this to me - what exactly is the financial merit in playing to the SJW base? On the one hand, if they're this small group of people then the casting choice - just to satisfy the snowflakes - is a bad financial decision. If, however, they are large group, and represent the majority view, then SONY is just playing to whatever will put butts in the seat - which is what EVERY MOVIE COMPANY EVER HAS ALWAYS DONE.

At the end of the day the complaints and the outrage and the making fun of SJWs by the people who purport not to care about those kinds of things really shows that they do care. The people who complain about safe spaces, apparently need a safe space themselves.

Every single argument I have seen against casting Roland as black, has to do with either something historical (you wouldn't cast [random white actor] as MLK) or misuses historical context. You bringing up the banned books only distends this argument to an Nth degree. There is no attempt to silence anyone here - WHO EXACTLY IS BEING SILENCED? There is no attempt to bully. These are delusions you foist upon the central issue, insisting that Hollywood is doing this specifically to step on your toes. Do you truly not see how ridiculous this sounds? That some exec in Hollywood actually cares about your feelings and wants to quash the forward progress of - what, exactly?

This idea that they've replaced a white character with a black actor in order to not offend is ridiculous - who, EXACTLY expressed offense at Roland's whiteness prior to the casting of this film????

I don't know if you're aware of this but I've already changed things. I killed Ben Linus.
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When others are trying to re-write history or fiction so it doesn't offend them it offends me. Whats not to get? I don't agree with people pushing their agenda into or over these works of art. Who is being hurt by censorship brought on by fear? Everyone. We all suffer when we do not know how things really played out or the original intentions.

Both during and before GamerGate I witnessed many SJW groups working to censor games/companies they didn't agree with. There was a game series called Dead Island, most of it is set at a beach resort. The SJW crowd (such as RPS and ShackNews) attacked the game and the creators, they didn't like the images of (ZOMBIE) women in bikinis being attacked, they found it offensive. They encouraged a huge backlash against Deep Silver, they publicly shamed them, they bullied them.

More recently WatchDogs 2 came out, it was discovered that naked females could have a fully modeled vagina, OMG, nudity in a mature rated work of art! Think of the children! The outrage encouraged the developers to censor their own work via a patch. Encouraging violence but not nudity. What a win.

Its art, it should not have to bow to any group, no matter how much bullying, its the same as Charlie Hebdo, draw what the f- you want. Do not be ruled by small-minded people. We are only here so long and art is an important form of stress relief besides one of the few positive things we leave behind. I believe things would have gone differently if certain artists had been encouraged, such as Hitler and Manson.


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When others are trying to re-write history or fiction so it doesn't offend them it offends me. Whats not to get? I don't agree with people pushing their agenda into or over these works of art. Who is being hurt by censorship brought on by fear? Everyone. We all suffer when we do not know how things really played out or the original intentions.


+1. Emphasis added by me.

*shakes head* Exactly, what's not to get? What's so hard about this? Roland is white and looks like Clint Eastwood. Their casting a black guy as Roland is nothing less than their cynical attempt to twist and deform this great story into some kind of faux-anti-racism virtue-signaling. This is deeply offensive to me because it's like I'm being pre-emptively shamed just for having the brains to see how fckin retarded this is!

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lone-foxx, in regards to your stories about people bullying the Dead Island and WatchDogs2 creators, those are horrible things to have done. At least, the game creators/developers should not have caved under the pressure. But that's the price of freedom of speech - you're free to do or say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean you're free from criticism, and if enough people don't like a certain thing, they are certainly free to voice their displeasure with it.

I heartily agree that artists should neither defend their art nor change it in regards to what people say about it, it should always stand on its own legs, good or bad, positive or repulsive.

That being said, what makes you think Arcel and Goldsman are not doing what they want? I understand your previous experiences with SJWs, but do you really think there was a board meeting when casting this film where executives said, "Well, I know this Roland character is white, but if we put out an action movie with yet another white action hero, don't you think those SJWs are going to jump on their computers and bring out the pitchforks?" I'm hyperbolizing, of course, but do you really think this was the going concern amongst studio execs when the film was cast?

Cause usually they aren't even involved in that process. And I hardly think that Arcel and Goldsman had a similar conversation between them.

Your theory posits that the people making this movie are trying to rewrite fiction so that it is inoffensive, but I ask again, who before the casting choice, expressed offense that Roland was white? That's what I just don't get - was there some contingent that was offended at Roland's whiteness somehow? Are SONY pre-emptively casting a white character as black in order to head off SJW arguments? I'm sorry but all I can see with this argument is some convoluted attempt to fit facts to your theory, rather than drawing a theory from the facts.

This conspiracy that they are somehow trying to censor or write over King's books is more convoluted than a Dean Koontz plot. It's absurd on the face of it, mainly because of the fact that the books remain - if they were changing the books to fit the movie, or removing them from the market I could concede your point but you're acting like the books will not be around to offer their own artistic vision after the movie is made.

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lone-foxx, in regards to your stories about people bullying the Dead Island and WatchDogs2 creators, those are horrible things to have done. At least, the game creators/developers should not have caved under the pressure. But that's the price of freedom of speech - you're free to do or say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean you're free from criticism, and if enough people don't like a certain thing, they are certainly free to voice their displeasure with it.

I heartily agree that artists should neither defend their art nor change it in regards to what people say about it, it should always stand on its own legs, good or bad, positive or repulsive.

That being said, what makes you think Arcel and Goldsman are not doing what they want? I understand your previous experiences with SJWs, but do you really think there was a board meeting when casting this film where executives said, "Well, I know this Roland character is white, but if we put out an action movie with yet another white action hero, don't you think those SJWs are going to jump on their computers and bring out the pitchforks?" I'm hyperbolizing, of course, but do you really think this was the going concern amongst studio execs when the film was cast?

Cause usually they aren't even involved in that process. And I hardly think that Arcel and Goldsman had a similar conversation between them.

Your theory posits that the people making this movie are trying to rewrite fiction so that it is inoffensive, but I ask again, who before the casting choice, expressed offense that Roland was white? That's what I just don't get - was there some contingent that was offended at Roland's whiteness somehow? Are SONY pre-emptively casting a white character as black in order to head off SJW arguments? I'm sorry but all I can see with this argument is some convoluted attempt to fit facts to your theory, rather than drawing a theory from the facts.

This conspiracy that they are somehow trying to censor or write over King's books is more convoluted than a Dean Koontz plot. It's absurd on the face of it, mainly because of the fact that the books remain - if they were changing the books to fit the movie, or removing them from the market I could concede your point but you're acting like the books will not be around to offer their own artistic vision after the movie is made.
Quoted in its entirety for truth.

Exactly. Agree with you 100%.


p.s. - Also, if you're interested and haven't seen this already Maximus...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1648190/board/nest/265770310

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Maximus:
Thank you! These idiots who try to rationalize and come up with a thousand different reasons why they don't think the main character in a film like this should be played by a black actor---they just won't admit that they would rather see a white man starring the role instead. Like practically every other movie from Hollywood like this. And to claim that Elba's casting is some SJW move---um, the studio could give less than a damn about what some small handful of SJWs or whatever think (I don't like the term SJW, because it was thought up by right-wingers who just wanted a new term to shut liberals down, and that's the only reason it exists) they're all about making that big box office cha-ching,period. Anyway, these fools who can't stand to see a brother starring in it, they are perfectly free to go see the upcoming KING ARTHUR, or THE LOST CITY OF Z-----you know, the typical white male adventure movies that Hollywood has made since forever. Just go and watch that,please, and let the rest of us enjoy the hell out of THE DARK TOWER when it comes out, Thank you very much,lol.

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Oh,btw, the first cowboys were actually black and Mexican. Check out some books like COWBOYS OF THE AMERICAS, or THE BLACK COWBOYS OF TEXAS for the real history of cowboys, and how they basically got whitewashed out of Hollywood screens for most of movie history--until about the '70s. So Elba's casting is actually factually and historically accurate,period. Now all you haters go shush for the time being,please,lol.

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I read all the books, but i forget if there was a mention to Rolands race besides the art work.
I like to read books before the movies so I can form my own imagines in my head of what is being described.
I dont watch movies for literary purposes, I can read for that, I go to the movies to be entertained. Besides Eddie needing to be white, and Susannah being black. The color of everyones skin doesnt matter to me.

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There are many descriptions of Roland's appearance; his blue eyes,allusions to a sort of Clint Eastwood cowboy (which many people mistook to mean he looked like an Eastwood clone for some reason), and even a book... 6 I think (?) reference to a slight resemblance to Stephen King himself. All descriptions indicate he's white, but as you said, why people think Roland can only be portrayed as white dude is beyond me. If Stephen King is down, so am I. And frankly, Idris Elba is a phenomenal actor. If anyone can capture Roland's spirit appropriately, I honestly think he can. I could be wrong, but only time will see if I am.

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Roland is described repeatedly in the book, either you weren't paying attention or are just plain lying about reading them. And shocker, someone defending Elba's casting claims they can't change the black character... just another hypocrite pushing a double standard.

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I'm not sure how you can have autism and brain damage - if you know anything about autism, you'll know that autistic people are usually highly intelligent.

Of course this is racism. How is it not racism? You're saying that a black man couldn't possibly play an iconic character. Now, is this, as opposed to a white man, or as opposed to all the black men and women who have played iconic characters?

And trying to put Elba's superb acting skills to justify his landing the role, as if he even needs to, is laughable.

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pozdnyshv:

If the main character bring a black man isn't relevant, that what the hell are you whining about? Because that's EXACTLY what the f*** you're whining about. And how the hell can you tell people that they are idiots for even liking a film that NOBODY has even seen yet, because it won't even be out until the summer? Tired of folks like you slamming a movie based only on the trailer alone. You're supposed to actually SEE a movie first, than make your judgement of it. A trailer alone will not tell you everything about it. Also, I'm black, and I'm glad to see a brother starring in a big epic fantasy film like this. I happen to like Idris Elba, and clearly the makers of this film thought he had the strong,fierce,edgy presence and talent needed to pull off this role (if you're seen him in any other films, you'd know that's clearly why they cast him in the first damn place. Plus he's tall, dark, handsome, and usually kicks ass in his roles. Plus he's a big name now, and he's built a significant following over the years so that a good number of folks already know who he is, and have seem him before, but never in this kind of role. )

Another thing---tired of white folks whining about the very rare times a favorite fictional character of theirs is played by a non-white actor in a fantasy film. It damn sure dosen't happen enough for you to whine about it. Last time that happened was when Michael B. Jordan (CREED, FRUITVALE STATION) was cast as Johnny Storm in the FANTASTIC FOUR movie, white comic fans acted like the world was coming to an end or something, because how dare a black actor be cast to play lily-white Johnny Storm (or whatever, I've never read the comics, or even been into them, so I could have cared the hell less about who was playing what in the damn movie.) It's just that Jordan's casting caused all this controversy--it was so ridiculous,anyway--I mean, we're talking about someone about to play a FICTIONAL character, which could have been any color. But,no,apparently the character's always gotta be white by default, no matter what. What gives with that?

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