how did people under 25 buy stuff?
If their clock turned on at age 25 how did they buy stuff before that? If they had no one to give them things before age 25 would they just starve and die?
shareIf their clock turned on at age 25 how did they buy stuff before that? If they had no one to give them things before age 25 would they just starve and die?
shareHow do children survive now?
shareI guess you are implying their parents pay for them. If their parents pay for everything until they hit 25, it means a 24 year old man couldn't buy a cup of coffee or take the bus without one of his parents there to pay for it. A better explanation is that people under 25 use those metallic devises to store and spend time until their arm activates. I guess you just wanted to insult the OP with your post though, so whatever. Sweet burn dude, that'll teach him. He should know better than to watch movies and then ask questions about those movies.
shareI agree .. massive plot hole. Unless there was some kind of government alotment for them. But in that case you would imagine some would have a LOT of children and pretty much starve them for time. But children seemed rare (and the rich probably wanted it that way) so maybe having a child took a very special kind of dedication.. and you have to wonder what his mom did all those years to support him and to survive an extra 25 years.
sharePer your comment:
You mean like some (not all, but definitely: Some) foster parents? Don't think for a moment that what motivates people today (especially vis: government "funding") won't motivate in our increasingly government-driven economy.
This is one form for the multitude of questions/philosophies/imperatives at the heart of "In Life."
The movie asks huge, profound, vital questions. But it then tries to answer them in the span of the common attention span of a theater audience.
BTW, in answer to your question "What his mom did all those years to support him and to survive an extra 25 years?" She bartered years of her own life for the resources she needed. That's a mother's imperative. That's why Will is so appreciative of his mother. That is what makes "In Time" worth watching; clumsy, ham-handed and badly-edited as it is, "In Time" tells this story: The future is worth creating.
I don't think under 25'ers had any type of time receptacle device or any means of spending their own time because the alchoholic-friends-wife looked at her infant child clock and said something along the lines of "look at all that time and he can't spend it until 25 I wish we could now" [or whatever]. It also tells us; at least some poor/middle-class people where still having babies.
I think its strange this movie, which is pretty good, made it through without ever addressing this question.
There is this sequence in which Will gives five minutes to that little girl. That time is not paid into her arm clock, but into one of these containers that are used to "encapsulate" (that word is mentioned by one of the timekeepers) time. This sequence clearly shows that children can conduct time transactions, just not on their own clock.
shareGood spot! Forgot about how Will gave those minutes to the girl.
Just watched the film and was wondering how young 'uns under 25 (that is young) could pay for anything. Would be a bit of a hassle when you're 24 and need one of your parents along to a bar to buy a beer for your mates :-)
On credit.
"Is your handwriting legible? -”Except at weekends."
When Silas turned 25 a huge chunk of time is eliminated from his arm, indicating that he either owed money or somehow his parents owed money and it was taken from him in one lump sum.
So it's more than likely that some kind of credit system is in place, since the people behind the cash register would know that you're going to definitely have twenty-five years to your name.
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This part I didn't really understand. Your 'life clock' doesn't start until you reach 25 and then you get a 'free' year of credit.
Seems pretty unfair if your parents can tap that year of life to pay of their debts! Maybe if you're under 25 and get one of those loan encapsulator devices from a bank and can't meet the interest payments.
Once you turn 25 the bank collects the unpaid interest in one big hit. Sounds like how a bank would work to me!
Who gave u money when u were 6 yo????
sharemy parents did. why?
shareis the reply for this post :)
shareyes. my parents gave me cash when i was 6. how dos tat pertain to post question. why did u ask?
sharesorry man now i got it. i hadnt read properly
effectively at 24 yo how damn do they buy a beer?
In the original short story that the basic idea of the film is taken from, the age that you received your year on reaching adulthood was 18-obviously the film makers didn't want to have to cast a film entirely with actors that could pass for 18 so the age became 25.
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Actually there is no good answer to the OP's question. If one suggests that the parents pay for their children's purchases, that means they have to be present in every purchase – which would be highly inefficient and perhaps infeasible. There are also many unanswerable questions. What would happen if any adult dies (including from running out of time)? Would his children die also? If the children conduct transactions on their parents' time, how do you protect them from being robbed by adults or other children?
The truth is that the idea of a system of transaction and payment based entirely on time is silly and would be infeasible in practice. We say time is money, but time can never replace money totally as a means of transaction. The system would be more realistic if money is retained for transaction purposes but the individual is allowed to "convert" any amount of his money and assets into "time" the moments he chooses. In the system depicted in the film, any individual would have to carry all the time has on his body. It is like in our own world, if you have 10 million dollars, you have to carry them wherever you go. You are sure to get robbed or may even lose your life. If time is indeed the unit of transaction, there would certainly be some kind of "time bank" hereby you can put away your "time" safely.
What is also rather ridiculous is that in the system shown in the film, there is not even minimum security or protection offered to owners of "time" similar to what we have in our world. Any individual can get your time by just "connecting" the device to you. Will even asked for a time transfer using the phone of the time keeper’s car without his identity being checked and verified. Under a "time transaction system", you would certainly expect some security measures similar to what we have for our credit cards, ATM cards, and phone banking – including for example PINs, passwords, etc. There would also be safeguards like limiting the amounts or number of withdrawals per day.
I haven't seen this film in a while, but, I do remember they DID have 'time banks', where people could get time-loans, and I think Just Timberfag (whatever his name was) actually robbed a time bank and got like millions of hours or *beep*
For some reason I kind of liked the movie but the movie is all over the place and doesn't make much sense.
Yes, I do recall mention of some kind of "time banks" and people obtaining credit. I think the boxes or cases that they robbed might contain the time to be distributed (for example) by the government or employers as payment of wages to the workers, and "credit" possibly means that you could be given time in advance for work that you perform later. I am not sure if in their world one could "deposit" and "withdraw" time like what we could do with money in a bank. Perhaps that would be possible for billionaires in their time zones, but in the film there was no indication that "banking facilities" were made generally available to common people. Otherwise we would see in the film booths or stations everywhere with people depositing and withdrawing time like what we do with ATM cards. With such facilities, it would make no sense for anyone to carry with him any time more than he needs.
In the film, the amount of time shown on a person's wrist supposedly indicates the total time that he has. There are many things not really spelled out in the film about their time transaction system - which I think the filmmaker should have done.
Your criticisms are cogent and well taken. What they all point to, I think, is that not a lot of thought went into the making of this crappy movie; it's just a bunch of cliches strung together mindlessly.
shareReference the scene in which (I believe the characters name is Maya, she is the mother of Borel's child).
She makes what seems to be a callous comment to the effect that having access to the infant's "year" would be valuable.
Okay, now, as an aside, I think "In Time" was originally meant to be either the pilot for a TV show or the first in a series of movies.
Per the concept of "In Time," biologically-assured life is the global currency. Back to Maya's comment: Parent's trade their own life-spans for the resources needed to rear a child. Maya's comment is a statement that it would be valuable if the child's "year" were available as collateral in the support/rearing of the child.
Cynical? Very.
Pragmatic? Absolutely.
This would explain not just Maya's comment, but Will's devotion to his mother (Rachel). He (Will) knows that Rachel bartered years of her life for the resources she needed to raise Will. As a practical matter, if an infant's "given year" were available as surety for a loan to produce a productive, valuable person....
Back to my aside: Will is aware that his father is regarded as both hero/villain of the Timekeeping process.
So, to answer your question; each generation was the asset of their parent's mortgage of (literally) years of their lives.
I'm pretty sure they used those "capsules." As far as gaining time, I'm thinking they either were given it, or worked for it but instead of storing it on themselves (their arms) it was all in the capsule. Same for making payments.
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No months. 52 weeks in a year.
The film should've never made reference to transferring time in terms of months.
Which month? Feb? Jan? Different number of days. Big difference. No longer works. Couldn't work any better than having a unit of paper currency call the Monthly bill -- some worth 28 dollars, some worth 31 dollars. Silly.
IMO, in this society shown in the film, almost no one alive would even remember a time when people used months for anything. This society has no use for the word.
A person born in this society would know their birthday as 23.5 To mean the 5th day of the 23rd week of the year
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