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Has already hosted The Tonight Show longer than Conan O'Brien (after Jay Leno finally left for good) and will more than likely stay in that spot for a long time?

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In the past it would have but I think Conan is better off now than if he had stayed with The Tonight Show.

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Regardless of how much "creative control" Conan may have over at TBS when compared to NBC, being on basic cable is still a serious "downgrade" to being on a major broadcast network.

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Conan is kind of a big shot on TBS while Jimmy is just a company man on NBC ready to do anything they say.

Still, he has the tonight show and in a few years he will be a very powerful celebrity.

The thing is, NBC tried to force Leno out and Conan in and people reacted poorly to this, only Conan's fans more or less followed him to the tonight show but a lot of people, especially old timers, missed Leno. it was simply the wrong move by NBC.

When Fallon came in, Leno was ready to go and everything felt like a better transition, which is why Fallon has been doing much better in the ratings than Conan ever did.



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I just think that older, more conservative folks/Middle America didn't really understand/"get" Conan's weird, random, absurdest brand of comedy. NBC only gave Conan the Tonight Show spot simply because they felt they owed it to him. It's kind of like how NBC was in a way, forced or relegated to giving Ann Curry the Today Show female anchor spot (which they could've done after Katie Couric left) after Meredith Vieria left.

The thing about Jimmy Fallon is that his humor for the lack of a better word, more than often, is edgeless and aims towards the lowest common denominator. Unlike Conan, most people don't have to worry too much about being "challenged" by Fallon's style of comedy. Also, Fallon seems non-threatening enough for NBC, since he's basically, a professional brown noser. Having Lorne Michaels there as a nurturer/buffer (which Conan didn't have when he hosted The Tonight Show) certainly helps.

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NBC only gave Conan the Tonight Show spot simply because they felt they owed it to him.



Bill Carter's book makes the point that by 2004 Conan was getting major offers to go elsewhere and do his own show at an earlier hour. NBC feared what would happen to "The Tonight Show" if Conan left and took all his younger fans with him. Jeff Zucker, the Nostradamus of tv executives, thought he could predict when Jay's ratings success would end, and gambled that letting him go to keep Conan would work. It was really a business decision more than anything else.


Having Lorne Michaels there as a nurturer/buffer (which Conan didn't have when he hosted The Tonight Show) certainly helps.



I point out, though, it was Conan's decision (once he got "The Tonight Show") to end his professional association with Lorne.

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http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/01/who-supported-jay-leno-against-conan-obri en/

Five years ago, NBC Universal executives pulled the rug out from under Conan O’Brien. They felt audiences didn’t like him all that much, and they sorely missed Jay Leno’s broad appeal. By the time the smoke had cleared, O’Brien was out and Leno was back. The Tonight Show with Conan O’Brien aired its final episode on Friday, January 22, 2010.

Support for O’Brien throughout the ordeal was tremendous. From the “I’m With Coco” and “Team Coco” public campaigns, to media professionals and celebrities providing comment, it seemed O’Brien had friends just about everywhere — except at NBC, where it mattered most. The network obviously wasn’t his biggest fan, but who else didn’t join the bandwagon? Or, to rephrase the question, who was on “Team Leno”?

NBC

From the public’s perspective, then-NBC Universal CEO Jeff Zucker was the main boss at the end of the video game that was late night television. However, he wasn’t the only network executive who thought everything about Leno involved sunshine and rainbows:

Referring to the pointed jokes made this week by Mr. O’Brien and David Letterman of CBS, [NBC Sports Chairman Dick] Ebersol said it was “chicken-hearted and gutless to blame a guy you couldn’t beat in the ratings.”

He added that “what this is really all about is an astounding failure by Conan.” Mr. Ebersol is a veteran at the network, with a longstanding relationship with NBC Universal’s embattled chief executive, Jeff Zucker. Mr. Ebersol also has a deep link to the network’s late-night history, having been a creator of “Saturday Night Live,” and he has been frequently consulted on changes in NBC’s late-night lineup. (Via New York Times)

“There’s a certain amount of kidding that goes on between these personalities which can often be funny. But this has definitely crossed the line,” Jeff Gaspin, chairman of NBC Universal Television Entertainment said in a statement. “Jay is the consummate professional and one of the hardest-working people in television. It’s a shame that he’s being pulled into this.” (Via Los Angeles Times)


NBC carried the Leno flag with pride throughout the controversy. Even if Ebersol and Gaspin never spoke out, the network’s ties to the former Tonight Show host were strong.

Jerry Seinfeld

That Jerry Seinfeld and Leno are best buds has never been a secret. So when NBC decided to kick O’Brien to the curb in favor of their well en-chinned ex-Tonight Show host, Seinfeld had plenty to say about it:

“I don’t think anyone’s preventing people from watching Conan. He’s there,” Seinfeld said, referring to O’Brien’s ratings declines, most of which can be attributed to poor lead-ins from Leno’s show and late local newscasts.

“I can’t blame NBC. They can’t hit the ball for you,” he said. “They can only give you the bat.”

Bottom line on the whole Leno-O’Brien debacle: “That’s showbiz. You gotta try new things,” Seinfeld said. (Via The Wrap)


That last line certainly explains The Marriage Ref. Remember The Marriage Ref? Neither do a lot of people.

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Oprah Winfrey

Oprah? The Oprah Winfrey? Say it ain’t so! Just before Leno’s return, he sat down with Winfrey for his first television interview regarding the matter. At one point, Winfrey offered Leno her take:

“I’m really surprised that so many people are against you, because I think people don’t understand the way television works. I can understand people thinking you were selfish if you owned the show and controlled the show. It’s a little surprising that people think that you stole the show, when it wasn’t your show to steal.” (Via ABC News)


The daytime talk show host also recorded a 30-minute audience discussion for her website. Between her audience’s assorted jabs at both Leno and O’Brien, Winfrey seemingly sided with Leno throughout the debate.

Paul Reiser

Nearly two months after O’Brien’s last Tonight Show episode, actor and comedian Paul Reiser penned (erm, typed) a blog post. Titled “A Teachable Leno Moment,” Reiser defended Leno via a conversation with his young son:

“You know, the extra amazing thing about Jay is — whenever they ask him to try something, he almost always says ‘Sure.’ They asked him to step down and make room for the other funny guy, he said, ‘Sure.’

They asked him to put his show on earlier at night and he said, ‘Sure.’ Then they said, ‘Oh, boy, I think we made a mistake — would you mind going back to where we had you in the first place? That would really help us.’ And you know what he says? ‘Sure.'”

“Wow.”

“Yeah. And how about the fact that while all this craziness is going on, Jay just shows up to work every day and does his job. He doesn’t complain, he doesn’t get upset… He just does what he’s supposed to do: he makes people laugh. That’s not easy, you know.” (Via Huffington Post)


Reiser appeared on Leno’s revamped Tonight Show a year later — just days after his own show was axed by NBC for poor ratings. You should have opened the door, Burke.

Jim Norton

Of all the people who came out to defend Leno, comedian Jim Norton offered one of the most thoughtful arguments regarding NBC’s behavior and O’Brien’s exit:

“Leno was unfairly vilified, and you shouldn’t vilify Conan either. But the way critics looked at it, they were like, ‘Well, you have to give Conan some time.’ And I agree, Conan should have gotten more time. But no one said that about Jay….No one gave him that leniency.” (Via CBS News)


For the full context of Norton’s comments, check out the video above. His points were some of the best given in support of Leno.

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Not really. It does bother me that Conan is now on a cable network. TBS can't compete with NBC or CBS budget wise or ratings wise.

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In the book Dick Ebersol picked up that Conan O'Brien is not likely a performer who is going to pick up that wider audience. While Conan wasn't given alot of time to get the Tonight Show right, it was Ebersol who suggested that Jay Leno should be kept on, Jimmy Fallon made successor, and Conan be let go.

Jeff Zucker gets a lot heat by everyone. But in the book he really didn't seem to know what he was doing, trying to move Conan back to 12:05pm. It's not surprising that NBC let Zucker go.

I like Conan, but he is not the type performer who is going to drag in that middle America viewers. While Jimmy Fallon might be able to get that pull because he has that safe mainstream Billy Crystal likability, it does not take anything away from the talents of Conan.

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Billy Crystal likability


I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

Anyone here mentions Hotel California dies before the first line clears his lips.

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