Plain and simple ....wtf ?
Sooo basically, Cive Owen was the little boy?
When his mother says she knew the truth......WHAT WAS THE TRUTH?!
Was Hollow Face a real person?
Was Hollow Face his father?
Sooooo annoyed.
Okay, so here's what happened: One night, John's abusive father came and tried to take him away from his mother after being released from prison. John witnessed his father assaulting his mother as a child and saw his father as a monster (Hollowface). The significance of "Hollowface" is that when the father was bending down looking at John, he said, "You look like me." Soon after, the mother and John let the father die and don't tell anyone about it. Later on, the mother thinks that the ghost of the father (or, as John tells it, "Hollowface") is haunting them. That's why the mother went to confession and talked to the priest to have the child blessed. The "truth" is that they let him die and covered it up.
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Did you watch a different version? I just finished the movie and didn't even know it was all about his father.
shareMaybe you missed the last 15 min where all this was explained. Either that or else there is a differenct version floating around out there.
shareit explained it pretty well despite the 'twist' being lame
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No same version haunt freak has it summed up pretty well. Maybe try watching it again, it should be pretty clear then
shareLOL, what? Haunt_freak is right, that was my interpretation of the film as well. Watch it again.
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Can someone explain about the priest? what was that all about?
"That Barney Rubble, what an actor!!" -Night Shift
Loose end. The priest cannot help them and the mother decides the best way to help her son is for them both to move far away from that house. That's the end of the priest's involvement.
shareThe priest was a red herring to confuse the audience into thinking there was something supernatural involved. It turns out, the OLDER priest was right, it was all in their heads and what they really needed was a good psychiatrist.
shareThe mother first tried to confess, but couldn't or didn't dare. She wanted the boy helped from his noghtmares though, so she tried the placebo expelling ritual, wich the priest couldn't perform. When Juan saw what he saw during that session, reminded the mother and made her aware of what happened and where the whole Hollowface character came from. She was trying to flee the scene, in a matter of speaking, and have a fresh start. That included not responding to the nightmares, forcing Juan to finish the opening story, wich now was the source of all 'imaginary' (or call them repressive) events.
The part of the priest was played when they left there home town.
Yes, I can follow so far. But was the Hollow Face the daughter saw really a ghost or was it Clive Owen himself kind of messed up due his childhood experiences?
I mean, the girl didn´t know about the incident, either there was really the ghost of her grandfather or her father went psycho. Why did the girl see hollow face?
All hallucinations after she found that letter?
It was either a ghost or a case of the "foil a deux" which they talked about in the movie where 2 people share the same hallucination, the reason her daughter would start hallucinating about him was because of the vivid texts the kid wrote about his experiences (in english on that) so that would trigger her to see it
And since Clive Owen was the kid her talking about hollowface re-triggered his memory on a subconcious level and made him see him as well
It's very possible that there was no ghosts and all hallucinations
The one thing that speaks for it being a ghost is the ending where hollowface is set free and moved on (to heaven or whatever you chose to believe in) but I don't think you are meant to know 100% it's open for interpretations and that ending could just be a metaphor for the daughter and father finally letting go off their hallucinations as well
I'm a lion bruh, here my roar... *rawrrrrrr*
never heard or saw anything about the father and I had subtitles on and was reading everyword, ill have to see gain.
shareAt the end clive owen goes to the "boy's" mother and says in Spanish, "He's back". At that point we know that was his mother and he is a grown man now. He then explains Hollowface is hurting Mia etc.
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No matter what you think as far as the quality of the movie goes, I thought the plot was pretty straight-forward.
It all boils down to this:
The child psychologist was right. Clive Owen and his daughter were both hallucinating.
Clive had a traumatic childhood after his father tried to kidnap him. He interpreted the event as a monster coming into his home and he suffered nightmares and hallucinations and wrote them down to cope.
Years later, his daughter finds his writing. The stories frighten her enough to experience nightmares, but she doesn't truly experience them until her father gets involved and imagines the same creature from his childhood in her bedroom. The both share a hallucination as the psychologist suggested, brought on by the father's unresolved conflicts from when he was a child.
No matter what you think as far as the quality of the movie goes, I thought the plot was pretty straight-forward.I would love to think it was that simple, and it was, except for one bit.
It all boils down to this:
The child psychologist was right. Clive Owen and his daughter were both hallucinating.
The daughter never had any PHYSICAL injuries or attacks. For instance, when the ghost took her mouth, the doctors said there was no physical reason why she couldn't talk and assumed it was due to psychological trauma after the incident.
At end of the film, the daughter was suffering a psychosomatic attack brought along by her hallucinations. It's no different than holding your breath when you're asleep because you're dreaming that you're drowning. Yes, she was obviously distressed, and panicking, but there's no real evidence that she was in any danger. For all we know, she could have woken up on her own without any help.
The daughter almost dies at the end because she's having a very lucid night terror. The doctors told them that was possible and gave them a shot to help wake her. Not that the movie needs true facts to back it up because it is after all a movie, a fictional story and doesn't have to be realistic at all. But if you want realism, the truth is your body can definitely be affected by terrifying and traumatic mental attacks. Your heart rate can accelerate causing stroke, seizures or heart attacks. You can go into shock causing all kinds of malfunctions. This girl
Isn't having a typical dream, both her mind and body is engaged, she's having a psychological break down and her mind is slipping deeply into an unconscious hallucination and if her body wasn't affected that would be a miricle. She survived because her father's words convinced her that it was all in her mind and allowed her to fight her way back to reality and not to be afraid.
The doc gave the Mum an "epi pen" in case an anaphylactic shock occurs again. But an anaphylaxis has nothing to do with an psychosis or night terror, it´s histamine induced and cannot happen due an emotional shock. That highly confused me.
I´m someone who always have to carry such an epi pen cause I suffer from chronic recurring anaphylaxis. Those two things are not connected and I kept on wondering why she suffered an anaphylaxis and why this shot is supposed to help her "waking up".
To quote Wiki ~
Epinephrine (also known as adrenaline or adrenalin) is a hormone and a neurotransmitter.[1] Epinephrine has many functions in the body, regulating heart rate, blood vessel and air passage diameters, and metabolic shifts; epinephrine release is a crucial component of the fight-or-flight response of the sympathetic nervous system.[2] In chemical terms, epinephrine is one of a group of monoamines called the catecholamines. It is produced in some neurons of the central nervous system, and in the chromaffin cells of the adrenal medulla from the amino acids phenylalanine and tyrosine.
I am also an epipen user, it has nothing to do with histamine. It's like pure adrenalin.
I didn´t say the pen contains histamines or antihistamines, I know they contain adrenaline. But an anaphylactic shock is histamine and cortisol INDUCED. How would an anaphylactic occur due something emotional, I don´t get it?
I´m using the epi pen for chronic recurring anaphylaxis due chronic angioedema (histamine and cortisol induced swelling of tongue and/or throat), for what are you using it, Ricpslam18? Only if you don´t mind to mention here of course.
dude, when you hit someone who is not having an anaphylactic shock
with and epi pen, they are going to go through the roof, like
hello, I'm awake now mother *beep*
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But, the movie seemed to jump to a to a fantasy horror movie and it becomes Nightmare on Elm Street and you "die in your dreams kills you" manifests itself in real physical injuries and death are true when the girl almost dies at the end.All of the girl's "injuries" are psychological. She suffers hysterical muteness after the first "attack" - the therapist explains that there's nothing physically wrong with her - and we're supposed to think that Hollowface has "stolen her voice". Later on she develops a condition similar to anaphylaxis, but brought on by hallucinations and panic attacks. At the end of the film she drops directly into her hallucination and can't snap out of it, and almost dies because she stops breathing. share
That ending feels tacked on - it's like the writer couldn't find a way to end it and just decided to give us loads of plotholes. Firstly, Juan looks Spanish, talks Spanish, and supposedly lives in Madrid. Secondly, John's story is set in either England (Owen is British), or America. Thirdly, if Juan put the story of Hollowface in the tree in Madrid, how the hell is it in the exact same tree in another country? That makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm a doctor not a soldier, damn it!
I don't know where Juan's scenes were set exactly but it's logical that he and his mother could be Spanish and living in Madrid, I don't see that as being a plothole at all. As for the Hollowface story in the tree...(SPOILER ALERT)...it wasn't in Madrid, towards the end of the movie Juan's mother takes them both far away from where they lived, the place they went to turned out to be England (remember the British guy who was "taking advantage" of Juan's mother?), which answers your second point of where John's story is set.
shareWell I knew about the English guy, but the place they were staying still resembled the apartment block to me :( I still can't believe they went with it being an hallucination they were both having together. I think the film would have been better if Hollowface was an actual ghost/specter than a figment of their imagination :(
I'm a doctor not a soldier, damn it!
The new house in England was big with a lot of land and a big tree. It looked very different to the small apartment they lived in back in Spain.
sharemomanari - if you pay attention the mom says that they are "moving far away" then next you see them in an cottage (the same one at the beginning of the film, where the girl is with her mother and grandparents). Juan and his mom moved to England and the tree is the same tree the girl/daughter finds.
did no one pay attention to this film??
They paid attention, but they didn't understand what they were seeing. They were waiting for Pinhead to show up with his puzzle box. Lol
I admit I got bored watching and was on my laptop while watching the film. So thanks for explaining what happened at the end. There at I admit it.
shareTo me, it was a straightforward story so I'm surprised by the confusion also.
shareI watched it and I understood. The only thing missing to tie the two stories together early, was grandma, who baked her infamous cake.
shareThe girl and the boy could not have both lived in the same English cottage - the father spoke to the boy and his mother about hollowface affecting Mia. So, the boy and Mia had to be in England at the same time. The only way this works out is if everything happening to the boy has happened in the past and if everything happening to Mia is current.
shareJuan had dark hair and fair skin just like John.
Sometimes people move. As an American, I can't just move to Canada without a job lined up;however, I think that the EU has open borders for anyone who is from a member country. If I am correct, it wouldn't have been difficult for the family to leave one European country to live in another.
When they moved Juan was young enough to learn to speak English without an accent.
His daughter was staying with his parents. I thought Juan put the paper into the tree after his mother remarried which would mean that the story is not in Spain.
Juan looks Spanish huh? A lot of English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh can pass for Spanish and vice versa - ex. Catherine Zeta Jones, Sean Connery, and Colin Farrell.
Second, I'm not sure you realize this but Juan is simply Spanish for John. I have a sister named Maria Theresa and a cousin named Julian Paolo (Julian pronounced in the Spanish way) but when my sister migrated to the U.S. and my cousin migrated to England, they changed their names to Mary Therese and Julian Paul accordingly. These are simply Spanish or English equivalents of each other.
Third, my sister now has an American accent and can't speak Filipino at all without some American twang in her accent. it happens. Accents change especially if one migrates when they're young.
Fourth, Juan put the Hollowface story in a tree in England, not Madrid. Notice that the mother and son move far away from where they were living in Spain and moved to John's house. The mother even remarries an English man, who becomes Juan/John's stepfather.
Fifth, I recommend you rewatch the film again. It seems you missed it completely.