lol Harvey was in the right

Completely agree here.
WTF are the writers smoking ?? This is turning into a complete soap garbage of the worst kind...

Her boo-hooing and speech at the graveside bothered me to no end - especially after she brought her lover to the house after the service.

That's actually not true. Have you been watching the show? Harvey's one rule about women is that he refuses to sleep with married women, BECAUSE of his mother and her cheating.

I completely agree. She made it all about her, again, with the immediate, quick response: "I forgive you too." Not about her son. Makes it be seen what kind of person she is.

It meant that she didn't want admit that she did something wrong actually at the beginning, at that all what his happening now is both their faults ... way to go.
She could have talked about how this situation made her feel through all these years, but she should have kept it until later - her son was foremost, he came to her, and his feelings.

No wonder Harvey got angry. And it clearly showed the reason why he couldn't reconciled with her many years sooner - just seems she didn't make it that easy.

But he now accepted her like she is, that is good (for other reasons then his own, for his brother and his brother family, so that they all can be united again, not just for himself - I think he wouldn't have done it otherwise).

The question about the younger brother - I think he never really got that angry with her, didn't have the strength to, so he had clinged to her more over the years.

There was ZERO reason for his mom to bring Bobby to Harvey's dad's funeral, knowing how much it would upset him. If she wanted to make the day easier for Harvey during his morning and possibly mend their relationship, why schlepp the reason they are not speaking to the funeral? It seemed really selfish to me. Bobby should've known better and stayed home. Harvey's mom out her own needs above his own - it's not like she needed Bobby's emotional support at her ex husbands funeral when she had her sons there to grieve with. She knew when she brought him there she was pouring kerosene on a fire.

I hate when people use "I/he/she deserve(s) to be happy" as an excuse for bad behavior. Sorry, but once you're a parent your happiness sometimes has to take a back seat to what's best for your children. Harvey's mom was a horrible human being for cheating on his father and putting Harvey in the position of keeping her secret. If she was so unhappy, then she should have divorced his father first instead of having multiple affairs. So she ended up marrying the last guy she cheated with. Is that supposed to be some type of redemption? I don't blame Harvey at all for not wanting to have anything to do with her. And it was beyond disrespectful for her to bring that man to his dad's funeral. Marcus wants to sweep everything under the rug and act like everything is ok just because his mother and Bobby got married and they helped him out when he was sick. Good for him. That still does not absolve his mother of what she did. And Marcus isn't the one who had to go around keeping a secret when they were kids. Their mom put that burden on Harvey's shoulders, and she should be ashamed of herself. For her to say she "forgives" Harvey was truly a slap in the face. I hate when people act like just because something happened in the past, then it should have no impact on the person years after the fact. What happens to a child growing up can scar them deeply and have a lasting effect on them as adults. And one person choosing their so-called happiness over the pain it could cause others, especially her own child, is the epitome of heartless selfishness.

I feel sad for who ever is around you. You have no concept of loyalty or human decency, or what it means to put children before yourself.

Harvey doesn't come in their lives every few years, he hasn't seen his mother since the funeral, and before didn't see her unless he had to. His mother shouldn't have brought Bobby to the funeral period, and it's not even about how his father fet about the cheating, it's about how Harvey felt having to betray his father because his mother asked him to. It's damaged Harvey emotionally and that's all because his mother wanted to sleep around and not get caught instead of owning up to her mistakes or being mature enough to end her marriage like an adult.

Harvey came back to forgive her, because she wronged his father and him. She turned it around on him and because he won't blindly forgive her for the terrible thing she did, his estrangement from her is now HIS problem, no, it's not.


His brother acted like Harvey owes it to him to repair his family, which is also not true, while he's forgiven his mother for what she did to their father, but he did have to carry the burden that Harvey did as damn kid, and blame himself wrongfully for tearing his own family apart (which Marcus also blamed him for back then, confirming and adding to Harvey's fears) he then threw the sick thing at him and guilt shamed Harvey for not being around, even though that likely has nothing to do with their mother but the fact Harvey runs a law firm in New York.


Bobby then throws the fact that they've been around more than him and claims he angered that his wife has come home crying, but she only did because she decided to throw a problem SHE caused back on the wronged and caused an argument.


It takes the better person to forgive, which Harvey did do. But, he did not have to apologize for coming back with the attention of reconcile just to have it thrown in his face and have everyone act like HE was unloyal to his family. His mother deserves to be happy? But she is to blame for her actions.

If anyone sounds like an "emotional idiot" it's you, sorry I don't sympathize with the people who wrong good people. What a ridiculous sense of morality you have.

Exactly, it's like the one negative poster in here doesn't watch the actual show and only seen the one episode, Harvey has never "wronged" women. One nights stands aren't wronging women unless you're feeding them lies about wanting more etc. which he doesn't do, he also was ashamed when Scottie told him she was engaged, and disgusted when Mike told him about Tess.

If Harvey was in the right, why did he come to reconcile with his mother? Why did he decide to come talk to her if he was so right? Why didn't he JUST STAY AWAY FROM HER?

Thirteen years is a long time to hold a grudge. Some of you are too stupid to realize this. Being angry at someone who isn't angry with you or who has tried repeatedly to ask for forgiveness is not only unhealthy, but sanctimonious. Going back and telling them they're still wrong after trying to bury the hatchet is downright cruel. What Harvey's mom did was wrong. Bobby supporting his wife is not.

I don't care if my opinion is the unpopular one because it's the right one. Harvey forgives her for what she's done. She forgives him for taking so long (20 years) to forgive her and for neglecting his family in the process. I'm not sure what's the issue here...