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This contradicts the message of The Wizard of Oz

posted 11 years ago by dknudtson1995
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In the first one, Dorothy goes to Oz after passing out with the twister. When she wakes up at the end, we realize it had all been a dream. She uses elements in her own world to directly effect the one in Oz, therefore Oz is nothing more than the symbolic interpretation of her own world.

While in Oz The Great and Powerful, he does the same thing. There's a twister which he gets sucked into and than lands in Oz. We can assume if we are going off the original movie, that this place is fake and the delusion of Oz's imagination, again using things from hi sown world, such as Zach Braff as the monkey.

So when we get to the end, and he doesn't go back to the real world, we can only assume that he is in a coma or dead after the twister and will never wake up.

I do acknowledge that in the books, Oz is a real place. However, the film does not follow any book and merely creates a back story off of the original film.

Any thoughts?

[–] atg_commish 9 years ago

You're forgetting that the Wizard of Oz DOES leave Oz in the 1939 film, in his balloon, and Dorothy misses the flight, needing her ruby slippers to get home instead. When this film (Oz the Great and Powerful) ends, Oz is still dreaming.

Or, perhaps, Dorothy's dream is a dream within Oz's dream.

Or, the land of Oz is real in both movies, and not a dream at all.

[–] orthohawk 9 years ago

All this talk of "The Original" needs to stop. The Original is the book written by L. Frank Baum. All the movies and stage productions are BASED on the original.

The WoZ established some things about the Oz milieu that all the movies messed up in one way or another.

IN this one:
The china girl should not have been able to follow Oscar out of the China country (the inhabitants stiffen up if they leave).
The flying monkeys (contrary to an earlier poster's statement) were an autonomous troop who, after causing trouble for a princess and her fiance, were cursed to obey the will of the owner of a golden cap of the princess's manufacture. This was to be in the form of 3 wishes.

These were two of the most egregious in this film.

[–] thotuknew 9 years ago

Even with the way they portrayed the movie, never actually thought it was a dream and that was before I ever knew it was based on books and didn't read any of them until I was in my mid 30's.

faith begins at the end of your comfort zone.

[–] sillyspaghetti 9 years ago

I agree that none of the films are connected, other than their base material. I still liked this a whole lot better than The Wizard of Oz and Return to Oz.

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[–] baran_erik 9 years ago

You can't use the '39 version as a touchstone, because it was BASED on the books, but not faithful to them all that much.

[–] chrichrichri (184) 7 years ago

He wakes up: "Where is my gold??" and Annie already married. You know, this is Hollywood - they end stories when they are still happy

[–] greenbudgie (2355) 6 years ago

I think what this film does is to flesh out some things from the 1939 film. E.G. why the Witch of the West became wicked. I couldn't really get involved with this like I can with the Judy Garland classic. I've given it a 6/10 rating.