I loved Lavinia.
Rewatching the show and remembering how much I loved Lavinia. There was something about her that was just sweet, and kind and funny all at the same time. And gorgeous!
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Absolutely. Too good for this world; if she was meant to be a shadow on Matthew and Mary's self-satisfaction, she was well cast.
At 9.30, a rare moment of cattiness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhw7ro9gW4w&list=PLtyvsuvKaxb3g5yRVqq5_m1azbZWzmKCs
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I liked her, but she was TOO nice. "Oh I'm dying but I know you really love Mary and I give you my blessing as I exit this world you should feel completely guiltless over the fact you were probably going to dump me anyway even though I was nothing but loving and faithful bye."
I think she just felt insecure since she wasn't from the aristocracy, and was apprehensive about being a countess. She genuinely felt Mary was born for that life and that Matthew truly loved her. I don't think Matthew would have dumped her either - I think he definitely would have married her.
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Lavinia might have been a bit too nice, but let's not forget the even more outrageously saintly act on her father's part when he decided to include Matthew in his list of heirs despite knowing that Matthew was about to dump his daughter on the eve of their marriage. That was one of the least believable turns of event in DA.
shareLavinia might have been a bit too nice, but let's not forget the even more outrageously saintly act on her father's part when he decided to include Matthew in his list of heirs despite knowing that Matthew was about to dump his daughter on the eve of their marriage. That was one of the least believable turns of event in DA.
I don't remember that Mr Swire knew that Matthew wanted to break up with Lavinia. But maybe I forgot...
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Yes, that's why Matthew finally accepted the inheritance, because he knew Reggie hadn't made the bequest under false pretenses about Matthew. Reggie learned of it in Lavinia's letter - the one Daisy posted that no one knew about until Mary read the letter Reggie left for Matthew. Remember how Mary asked downstairs if anyone had posted a letter on Lavinia's last day?
shareI see someone deleted my harmless post again, but you think Lavinia saw that Matthew truly loved Mary but she would have still married Matthew anyway?
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I see someone deleted my harmless post again, but you think Lavinia saw that Matthew truly loved Mary but she would have still married Matthew anyway?Not after she told Carlyle how she despaired of Matthew ever forgetting Mary, and I don't think he made it up because that sounds like her. As soon as she'd made progress, Mary came back to wreck it all. Sounds like the exact dynamic with her and Tony. Not enough she has her man; she wants everyone else's as well. And if Matthew'd married Lavinia, he'd have survived much longer. share
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I can't believe it. The vicious deleter is after me now. Is it because I said something negative about the saintly Lavinia, or was it that I criticized it for deleting innocuous posts?
The administrators of this board are truly pathetic if they allow this to continue. Is there no oversight here??
I can't believe it. The vicious deleter is after me now. Is it because I said something negative about the saintly Lavinia, or was it that I criticized it for deleting innocuous posts?
The administrators of this board are truly pathetic if they allow this to continue. Is there no oversight here??
It's a plague now!
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Anyhoo, what I was saying was that I lost some respect for Lavinia when I heard that comment of Carlisle. She told him "If only he (Matthew) could admit the truth, all four of us might have a chance."
She knew Matthew was too honourable to throw her over. If she knew the truth herself, why didn't she release Matthew from the engagement and give the four of them a chance?
And her distress at the stolen kiss between Matthew and Mary was kinda put on, don'tcha think? It's not as if their love came as a shock to her. She knew the truth and was refusing to admit it so as to keep Matthew for herself. Her release of Matthew on her deathbed could also be read as a way to send him on a guilt trip, hmmm?
And what's this supposed to mean?
As soon as she'd made progress, Mary came back to wreck it all. Sounds like the exact dynamic with her and Tony. Not enough she has her man; she wants everyone else's as well.
What progress had she made? Mary was the one who'd made "progress" with Matthew until Cora brought Lavinia back to wreck it all. And although Mary "had" Carlisle, she didn't exactly want him, did she? She accepted his proposal only once she thought Matthew was out of reach forever, and regretted it almost immediately. She would have broken the engagement if not for the scandal hanging over her head. And once Matthew had sent Lavinia away, the field was really open, I'd say.
Don't forget - when Mary could have wrecked Lavinia's chances by telling about her involvement in some scandal, she didn't. When she came to tell Matthew she loved him, on Carson's advice, she backed off for Lavinia's sake. She didn't go after Matthew until Lavinia had left his life.
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And although Mary "had" Carlisle, she didn't exactly want him, did she? She accepted his proposal only once she thought Matthew was out of reach forever, and regretted it almost immediately. She would have broken the engagement if not for the scandal hanging over her head. And once Matthew had sent Lavinia away, the field was really open, I'd say.
Unpack that paragraph, and you have a textbook example of dishonorable behavior, particularly for 1918. Mary doesn't have to "have" anyone.
Carlisle's characterization is one of the most interesting in the series. He's forceful and ardent, but he never lies to Mary--he doesn't even lie to Vera when he tricks her; every word he says is true--it's her own construction that he's going to print the story. And he keeps his word to Mary who breaks her word to him--and Mary's realization of that afterwards is a mere afterthought--lucky being me! share
Yes, it would have been better if she simply break up with Matthew and gave him that same explanation. For me it was the same with Sybil, it was too nice, the characters that are fun are those who are imperfect (as any human)
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