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You've gotta read in between the lines with this one


This isn't a movie for people who watch films only to be entertained, and anyone going into it with that expectation is going to hate it, and I don't blame them.

I'm taking this largely from a previous post I made, but look at it like this: this film is a power play up until the final moments where the tables turn and Lucy takes emotional control over a situation. It's allegorical. Everything else prior to the final scene is completely filler to her, and is, therefore, completely filler to us as an audience. In all reality, she is a protagonist devoid of character. She is a shell. That's why people don't like this movie; we can't really connect with her, but we aren't supposed to. Whether or not her nonchalant existence is a commentary on modern culture or not is up in the air, but the fact remains that, in the walls of this movie, she doesn't care about anything or anybody, really.

Let's look at it: in the film, we gather that Lucy's relationship with her mother is strained and means little to her. She doesn't have any sort of friendship with her roommates and seems to hardly acknowledge them, nor does she have any friends or acquaintances aside from Birdman. She disrespects her body by prostituting herself and experimenting with drugs. She risks her own health by selling her body to medical corporations as a lab rat for quick cash. She also works as an office temp. and at a restaurant, but doesn't seem to have any sense or regard for her jobs. And all of this for what? She attends college but doesn't seem to really know why she's there or care about what she's there for. Her jobs mean little more to her than a means to pay her rent and restlessly push herself through college which, as aforementioned, doesn't seem to hold any value to her. What is she even doing there? She goes through the motions like a hamster in its wheel but doesn't seem to know or care why; it's as if she's not awake to the world because she is so distracted by the demands of society that she doesn't see the circularity of her actions or the risks she's taking as being a threat to her, nor does she even know why she's taking those risks in the first place. She's totally opaque as a person. She's absent; a caricature, really, to the point that she seems alien to us.

It's not until the very last scene that she has a moment in her life that pushes her out of her cultural coma and into the actual present; the here and then. It's almost as if the film is nudging and prodding the audience with the question: "Are you awake?" and if not, "What does it take?". How long can you be a "sleeping beauty"? Some people are "sleeping beauties" until the day the die; some people sleep through life. Others wake up. Sleep, while necessary to life, cannot dominate life physically, mentally, and emotionally. That is the point of this film as I saw it. Lucy is an example of someone pushed to extremes in order to wake up from her trance toward the universe.

Unfortunately, the people who NEED to hear the statement this movie makes are the ones who are most likely to never hear it, and if they do, they are probably in too deep a sleep to fully comprehend it. The movie comes off like a wake-up call to critical thinking, but if that was Julia Leigh's intent, she's not going to get very far with it because people who don't think critically aren't going to be affected by it in the first place. It's just going to come off as confusing and pointless because people with underdeveloped critical thinking skills don't have the tools to dissect a piece of work like this. It's almost asinine that it was even made in that sense, but I still think it's a movie of value, if not for its metaphors, at least for its performances and unusual and creepy atmosphere. I've never seen anything like it. Everyone involved in this movie took a massive risk in even making it, and, judging from these boards and the critical reviews out there on it, most people either missed or DISMISSED what was being said in between the lines and used it to attack the movie rather than acknowledge what was being implied.

In a sense, the fact that this movie even exists seems as pointless as the life that Lucy inhabits as a character. It's almost as if it were a cinematic oxymoron and never should have even been filmed. Maybe THAT was the whole point and Julia Leigh is just playing tricks on us for laughs, but I somehow doubt it. Regardless, you have to read between the lines here or this movie is totally useless, and I'm willing to admit that— and this is coming from someone who actually LIKED it. There's nothing really truly being said by this film, and yet, by the nature of its existence, there's a lot being said. That's why people can't stand it, because it's like one big whopping oxymoron, and oxymorons are frustrating. So, Ms. Leigh, congratulations on frustrating 95% of moviegoers. I appreciate the endeavor and artistry of the film, but I think her message is lost in translation, at least for now. Time will tell.

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thanks for this. It was great to read.

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So you're saying the film was intentionally bad just so we could have the hood pulled from our eyes with her startling reaction at the end? Sorry but I don't buy that for a second. It was just a badly made film that reeked of vague adolescent nihilism. The portrayal of Birdman's alcoholism and suicide was plain pretentious. Vodka museli? Come on, that's a stereotype for children. The OAP orgy club was just as daft. Why would the soulful nice old guy with the hitchiker story be friends with the baldy sadist? Why would he choose to commit suicide next to a doped out dumbass he barely knows? Lucy's reaction to the sacking from her office job ("Thankyou") was clearly meant to be semi-profound. Just terrible.

While I think you're right that the film's only real thematic drive is towards "waking up" it's just too flimsy for me. Maybe it would've worked in a ten minute short.

So I think you're probably very close with your interpretation, but that's exactly why I disliked it.

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That's totally understandable. It's not a perfect film (forgot about the little details like the "Thank you" bit you mentioned; I saw this movie back in December so it's been a little while), but parts of it are a little trite. It would have made a neat short movie, not sure if 10 minutes would have been long enough though. Maybe a 30 minute short would have given it enough time to drive the point without being too much.

It's certainly not something I'd watch for entertainment purposes really; maybe put it on as a background movie or something. Parts of it I actually thought were really creepy, what with the sleeping service and all. It reminded me of Eyes Wide Shut and also David Lynch at times. It was eerie in its presentation and in its subject matter. It's honestly one of the most bizarre films I've seen in a really long time, so I can give it credit for that. It's its purpose that is so far out there that most people cannot digest it or just don't want to.

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You hit it on the nail, Bones, this could only work as a short student film, nothing else. The OP makes some strong and interesting points, but somehow I can't picture a film-maker wanting to make movie that makes zero sense for 1 hour and 30 minutes, and then takes meaning in the last five minutes. Most audiences would've walked by then and totally missed it (or demanded their money back).

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It's fine to have to read between the lines, however it's something else entirely to have to make a whole movie out of nothing.

The script serve as an excuse to exhibit the perfect petite naked body of a stunningly beautiful Emily Browning.

If it wasn't hypocritical and tried to masquerade the erotic nature of its content with useless scenes, undeveloped characters, and cruelly painful camera work. Maybe it might have been enjoyable

In the end it's just another boring pretentious film written and directed by an amateur.

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Well put.

But, I must disagree with the OP. The movie wasn't even visually interesting. Had someone had it playing for atmosphere (really?) I'd have said "Turn off "Black Swan" for the love of all hell!"

The OP points out why they like the movie because of how unlikable it was...

Ugh.

Just a tad bit nauseating.

"You don't understand why you don't like it because only those of us who are deep enough to understand why we shouldn't like it, like it!"

I think I heard a 3 year old boy using the same parable while trying to persuade his equally young friend to eat horse sh*t.

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"Looks like we have an elitist here" and "This is a bad movie" — care to explain?

It's not the director's job to cater to every audience member and make sure that she explains everything "to hell" to try and "save" her work for you. Emily Browning was playing the part as it was written, so how does she have it "wrong"? Nothing you said makes any sense. You can like or dislike the movie as much as you want, which is your opinion, but just because the movie wasn't fleshed out or punctual enough for your taste doesn't make her a bad filmmaker.

And the truth of the matter is that the majority of the people who have lashed out against this movie are the same ones who come onto these boards asking "What was the point of this?" or "OMG worst movie ever" and don't seem to have the critical thinking ability to decipher any of it for themselves.

I must have forgotten though, EVERYONE'S A GREAT CRITICAL THINKER, RIGHT? The state of the world just proves that.

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"I liked a bad movie" and therefore have an "incredibly narrow mindset". Oh, okay. Go away.

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Did you even read anything I wrote in the original post? The fact of the matter is that your belief that this is a "bad" movie is your OPINION. Everything you've said in your posts is completely invalid because you're using your own taste to criticize the metaphors that the director INTENDED to use in her movie. It's not a matter of whether or not you enjoyed what was put on the table; you can dislike the movie all you want, but the film is the way it is because it was written that way and intended to be that way. Nobody asked you if you liked it or not. You haven't made one solid argument as to why this was as bad a movie as you say it is. All you've done is repeat yourself about how the director could have explained it "to hell" (which I'm not even sure what you mean by that) and then said that it was a bad movie over and over without really telling me why.


This is a bad movie. It failed in whatever it's trying to do and this noobie director could explain it to hell and she still wouldn't have save it. She could re-edited it to hell and she still wouldn't have saved it.

Are you in middle school?

I didn't say the director should explain her movie, no, i didn't even remotely say that. I said she could explain it to hell and she wouldn't have saved this garbage.

I don't know what you're trying to get across by repeating this, but you aren't supporting your argument very well. Why would her "explaining it to hell" have anything to do with making it a better movie? What needs explained? Are you incapable of analyzing it yourself? I don't even know what you're saying here.

Oh, and actresses aren't robots. They are supposed to bring something into their movies. Meryl Streep didn't become a good actress because she let herself be a robot. A good actress could save a bad movie. Emily Brown didn't even do anything to help.

Um, no, they aren't robots, but if you had the brain power to look at the crux of this movie, the robotic nature of the main character would make sense to you. Emily Browning didn't need to do anything to help the film, she played the part as she was supposed to— opaque, indifferent, yes, ROBOTIC, up until the last scene. There's a reason her performance was "robotic", and that's because it was written that way and she was supposed to play it that way. And Meryl Streep has nothing to do with this.

The problem with you, mister, is, you liked a bad movie and you think everyone who disliked it are idiots, or somehow lower than you. That, by definition, is elitism and also a show of an incredibly narrow mindset.

"Bad movie" is your opinion. And not once did I say that everyone who disliked it was an idiot. I said that the people who come on here and point fingers and criticize the movie without actually taking the time to analyze it or use their heads are stupid because they aren't thinking about it. Not all cinema is made for 100% entertainment value, and some movies require intellectual participation of the audience to draw meaning from them. If you don't think, I'm sorry, but yeah... that's kind of stupid. Suppose you saw the movie, understood the metaphors and general message of it, and it wasn't your thing. That's fine. Whatever. What I have a problem with are people who sleepwalked through watching this movie and then want to come onto IMDb and bitch about how it was such a "bad movie" because it didn't make any sense to them. It's not rocket science. Watch the movie. Think about it. If things still aren't adding up, read other people's opinions and analyses to try and make sense of it. But don't jump on here and shout about how this is the worst movie on earth because the main girl was robotic and blah blah blah. I could accuse you of having just as narrow a mindset (if not more), especially since you are so strong in your opinions and yet can't support a word that you say.

Your obvious attempt at strawmanning is pathetic and it doesn't change anything that i've said and you can't fool anyone with half a brain (that's a very short passage!).

Oh no, looks like somebody's taken Writing 101 and knows their fallacies. Tell me where I've pulled a straw man, English major?

Go away? You mean you want to run away.

Again, are you in middle school?

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No, no, no, no, no. What I'm trying to say here is that people who trash this movie without understanding its intentions are wrong, because it is WRONG. I don't understand nuclear chemistry, but I don't go around making huge statements about it because I don't understand it. I think it's unfair to judge something that you don't have a full understanding of, and the people who bash this film overall seem to have failed to understand what the entire point of it was. You didn't see the point in this movie? Fine, either look into it more or move on and forget about it. If you grasped the message it had and still didn't like on the terms of your own taste, FINE. But just because you missed the message of the film doesn't give you the credit to hop on your computer and call it "the worst movie ever" and drill people who did and want to talk about it.

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Jesus effing christ, okay, I've got one last question for you before I sign off on this permanently— did YOU personally see where the director was going with this movie (i.e. the message behind the film)? If you did, can you tell me what you thought? Because so far instead of having a normal discussion about the movie, you've just pointed fingers and called it "bad" over and over. You've criticized someone's work but haven't made any sort of commentary, and when I've asked you why all you do is turn around and call me an elitist for having an understanding of the director's intentions (and wanting other people to have that understanding as well before they criticize the film).

Really, I'm done arguing with you because it's going nowhere. I've explained myself as clearly as humanly possible and you've done nothing but ignore it and call me a narrow-minded elitist (yeah, I get it now). You can go ahead and hear what you want to hear.

Oh, by the way: "You love the movie because you are clever enough to have gotten the point of the movie. People who hate it just aren't clever enough to get the point of the movie." —— talk about straw manning. That's funny.

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Not here to argue with me? Cause that's all you've done, and you haven't made a single rational statement once, and it's obvious that the reason you refuse to support anything you've said is because you can't or don't know how. You can bend and twist it any way you want, but you calling me narrow-minded and opting not to make any rationale for what you're saying because it's quote "a waste of time to do so with a person like me" is a copout. It's easier to name-call than it is to have a discussion, and you obviously would rather name-call and walk circles around everything. It's funny how you sit there and judge things without explanation and then call me the narrow-minded one. Anyone with a level head is going to look at this and laugh at you. Have a good one

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Is that that hard to grasp, you told me to put out an argument about the movie and i replied to you saying that i won't argue with you, and you can't get that it's about the movie?? How do you even have a conversation with anyone else? Oh, maybe you can't

I don't even know what the fvck you're trying to say here because it doesn't make sense. Judging by your writing skills and your extensive time spent on the "Glee" and Sherlock Holmes message boards, I'm going to assume that you're probably in junior high (or maybe a pompous sophomore drama kid with a massive sense of self-entitlement— "stoic" my ass), so I'm going to stop here. It's not fair to argue with kids.

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Thank you very much for your comment, it's so disappointing to read people writing about this movie when they simply don't have what to say, then just say rubbish. It's clear that those who can only say that this movie is bad and boring are making a "bad and boring" critic about it, and when it happens it seems obvious that the problem is on them, with their blank critic and incapacity of making any sense of the movie. I'd like to read more about this movie but all I can find is people who don't have what to say blaming it. They simply shouldn't write in these cases.

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I agree with most of this post. This is one of those rare movies that you have to dissect to see the depth of whats inside. Unfortunately not all people can stand a movie like this, its too dull for them because their not willing to open their minds and appreciate it for what it really is. I see these types of movies like Sleeping Beauty as a piece of art. Something to look at and make of it what you want. If you view a piece of art, any art, you will know that no picture/painting is definitive of what it is. What I mean by that is if for example the picture is of a simple flower, it's not just a picture of that flower. Many people might see it that way but actually it could be a picture of something entirely different i.e death, life etc.

Art is subjective. You can make it about anything you want, the intentions of art are to broaden your mind, and make you think. This is exactly what a movie like Sleeping Beauty is for. Rather than watch it to be entertained or brought to tears, watch it like you would view a piece of art and make of it what you will. That is why it was made, to go beyond the boundaries of storytelling. You might not necessarily like it anyway, like we don't like all pieces of art or photography, but at least then you will have appreciated it for what it was, and decided for yourself if you liked the intentions it meant to show.

I have seen better artistic movies, and I would not watch this again, but I did very much appreciate what Ms. Leigh tried to accomplish. The ending for me was too rushed. I enjoyed it up until that point, it was intriguing, but I felt the end failed to do what it was supposed to, which was to show her waking up to reality. I wouldn't say her character was completely devoid of feeling however, because of the emotion she showed with the birdman. I felt he was the only person she truly let her guard down for, and everyone else was meaningless to her. I think perhaps Ms. Leigh's intentions would have gone a lot further had she had the main character not show any emotion until the very end. It would have been a shock then to see her cry at the end. But never mind.

*Dair = Perfection*

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The film is about apathy, sleeping through life, beauty, old age and other themes. Mostly I think it is about a lost person who only becomes alive when she almost dies.

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I agree with the OP and xlannalx. The only thing I don't agree with is that the movie was pointless. I have read a couple people nailing the point, that if you allow life to pass you by, you are nothing but a sleeping beauty.

Its only pointless to those who don't understand or refuse to understand it. I also agree with the comments about many people being underdeveloped critical thinkers...I see this all the time.

After stumbling onto this film, it has actually opened my eyes as I feel I have been similarly moving through the motions as Brownings characters. Therefore, it certainly was not pointless to me.

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