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why did other artists, turn against Thierry?


Assuming this is real. Mr brainwash/Thierry basically apprenticed under these other street artists,put his neck on the line to conceal Banksy's identity at disneyland, assisted other street artists in their art. he would put himeself at danger of injury and arrest filing them. For that art show he risked his business/house by taking out 2nd mortgages on them. If Thierry was able to make money out of this, good for him. He paid real artists to produce his art, who are they to judge if its good or not.

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The issue goes beyond whether or not his art is good or bad. That's actually only a small part of what seems to trouble them. I think the fact that they hedge their statements about Thierry shows that they appreciate what he did (helping them put up their art -- and what he was supposed to do, make a docu about the art). Plus Fairey and Banksy did give quotes for Thierry to promote his show.

But they're uncomfortable with the fact that he didn't develop his own style; he basically cobbled together the styles of several other artists without putting in the work to make it uniquely his own. It's perfectly okay to appropriate someone else's art to make a new statement with it. Thierry seems to appropriate other people's art to simply restate the original artist's message, under the umbrella idea that everyone is being brainwashed.

Only time will tell if there's any merit to what Mister Brainwash is doing or saying.

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thanks for the response. yeah its no doubt that he is an artistic fake by paying others to do work in his name. That fact that he risked his business and home and became successfull as a result is really remarkable.

"...the original artist's message, under the umbrella idea that everyone is being brainwashed. "

Just the name Mr Brainwash really fits, in that he brain washed collectors that his art was worth what it was selling for. Maybe that's a clue that Bansky was in on it.

When it was first said that Thierry was using the name Mr Brainwash, it sounded stupid and didn't fit for him. You would think Mr. Video, or Camera Man would be a better fit. In the end result Mr. Brain Wash even brainwashed Madonna.

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The funny thing is, I don't think Mr Brainwash thinks he's brainwashing people. It would make more sense if he was putting this stuff out just to thumb his nose at people and society. But it seems he thinks he's a genuine artist, and he's about more than just the brainwash...

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Getting other people to make the work wasn't their problem, anybody that has studied Warhol knows he had assistants physically make most of his work. Thierry just used his resources to hype his *beep* a sellout. He did it all for the money, not for the sake of making art to make art. The entire film was a critique about art. Exit through the gift shop, buy something on your way out.

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Exactly !!!

Which is what I think makes this film so awesome ... And makes Banksy so uncomfortable .. The irony of Mr. Brainwash on what [street] art is all about and the social commentary about how it's all BS when it comes to value ... "sofa art" ... Art for the sheep who need to be told what to appreciate .... Madonna? Ha Ha Ha ... But of course ... Perfectly aligned ... Mrs BW meet MBW ...

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Jeez! Banksy is not really jealous of Thierry. Banksy MADE THIS MOVIE! If he really didn't want Thierry to have undeserved fame he simply would not have made this movie.

It is a trick. Go back and watch again. Could YOU raise several hundred thousand dollars to finance your own art show in a giant L.A. gallery by putting an old thrift store in hock? Do you think they really arrest and interrogate people for hours in Disney Land? Etc. etc. etc.

Banksy is making fun of the art world. He is pretending to be jealous as so many "real" artists have been jealous of him. He is making fun of art purists who are so sure they know what is good art and what isn't. He is demonstrating that there is no such thing as "real" art, only the ability to create hype about certain artists.

I like the metaphor someone used in another thread. The "elephant in the room". It is right there during the whole movie and even in the title. Can you see it?

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"Could YOU raise several hundred thousand dollars to finance your own art show in a giant L.A. gallery by putting an old thrift store in hock? Do you think they really arrest and interrogate people for hours in Disney Land?"

It's been established that Thierry was financially well off -- how do you think he managed to devote so much time to following around street artists? And it wasn't an "old thrift store in hock," it was a trendy, successful used clothing store in a hip section of Los Angeles. The large house he lived in was in an upscale, wealthy neighborhood, and he took a mortgage against that.

And no one ever said Thierry was "arrested" in Disneyland. You're right, security guards don't have the right to arrest people, but they do have the power to detain them if they think a crime has been committed.

I also think you missed the point that Banksy is making fun of himself as much as anyone else in this movie...

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Clearly you've never mucked about in Disneyland. They don't play. They WILL hold you for hours. Disney is notorious for being like that behind the scenes. They have a huge turn around rate with workers because their standards and rules are extreme. I can absolutely see them making a huge deal about that incident. Don't mess with the mouse.

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Dude - I totally agree - it is what makes him uncomfortable - not in the fidgety sense but in the literary sense - that he knows and recognizes that it's all BS - what is "good" art? Who decides? And it is "who decides" that he's making fun of (IMHO) but at the same time let's not forget that he too is inside this world and the difference between what he is doing and what Thierry is doing is not appreciated.

As an aside - it's not about art but always about art appreciation - and whether or not you do and on the basis of what, which is very personal and subjective. The problem Banksy is highlighting (again IMHO) is that people aren't applying the "appreciation" to the question ... sheeple and following the "trend" but not looking at it from a perspective of personal art appreciation.

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I think the funny thing is he succeeded in showing that art is about brainwashing people, but that he originally thinks it's Banksy and the other established ones who do that. But then maybe he did succeed in brainwashing people, and the funny thing about that as well is maybe he didn't appreciate that he did as well.

And I think it's possible he isn't thumbing his nose at people and society and really believes them when they say his art is good and he's as good as Banksy and he's basically Andy Warhol, so he's ended up Brainwashing himself. That's hilarious.

And the people he's possibly unintentionally made a show for are his idols and friends. His real pieces are the art collectors and art appreciators, and it must be horrifying to be shown a distorted mirror image of yourself, and see that maybe you should question everything good that's been said by others about your work, and that even the money you got was meaningless.

I think that's what makes them so uncomfortable, those other artists. I think they could be saying "Ok, we want to send a message that it's not about money or what other people think, it's about what we think about our art and the art itself." but then they're confronted with Life is Beautiful and Mr. Brainwash and they realize that, "Ok, the money and what other people say they think are apparently meaningless. What do I think about my art, and the art itself? Is it really enough like I thought it was? But Thierry's work kind of has elements of my style and I think it's *beep* Have I brainwashed myself, too? Am I as delusional as Mr. Brainwash? If that's the case, maybe Mr. Brainwash isn't actually delusional and an artist too? Does that make me an artist again? But I still think he's made a mockery of ... Gah."

If real, Mr. Brainwash totally picked the right name. And it's totally understandable why all the other artists seem uncomfortable what to do with him.

If not, the film still has so many layers of stuff, and it makes sense why Banksy kept saying there may be a joke, moral, or whatever, or there may not be. Because there may be none or more than one, it's up to everyone to do that. Because it's art. But also, there's totally a correct one because if there's isn't a correct interpretation, that means Mr. Brainwash was right, or something.

Anyway, does Disney really not have any security cameras? I feel like the Disney stuff was supposed to be a clue.

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he's ended up Brainwashing himself. That's hilarious.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right, that is hilarious. But creepy also. Kinda like the "art collector zombies" circling Thierry's shows to scavenge some vestige of his ghoulish fame to hang on their walls to make them feel hip...it's simultaneously sad, perplexing, laughable, and pitiful.

The observer is the observed. - Jiddu Krishnamurti

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"I think the funny thing is he succeeded in showing that art is about brainwashing people,"

That's not the primary function of art. It can be used that way, though.

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I thought it's because he pursued art for the wrong reasons. Banksy, Fairey et al were making art for the sake of political-socio statement, perhaps just interpersonal development, or whatever other reasons they choose to exersise art. They could care less whether about being the next celebrity.

From the film, what I gathered from Thierry (as an artist) is that he just wanted to make it big, and art was just a vehicle to take him there. So Art never really was the goal, it was just making it big, whether it's for $, or for fame, or whatever.


But I still love Banksy's quote in response and I will do my best to paraphrase: "He may not have followed the rules, but... there's not supposed to be any rules anyways in art"


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They didn't. They pretended to in order to make their movie a bit more interesting, subversive and funny.


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They didn't. They pretended to in order to make their movie a bit more interesting, subversive and funny.

Conedust is exactly correct. If they had REALLY turned against Thierry, they wouldn't have made a movie which glorifies him.

This contradiction is supposed to be part of the set of clues to let you know this movie was a clever hoax.

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He suddenly realised that Thierry Guetta MAY (still not sure) be, not a film maker, but somebody with mental problems. That's brilliant. Whatever the situation in reality is, the concept is wonderful. He's pulling our legs, and enjoying every second of it!

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Yes! I so agree. They struck me as a bunch of bittercakes, envious of his sudden success. Yeah, he is good at marketing himself and he made a bunch of money (this is not as surprising when you think about how he had been doing that with his vintage clothing shops all along). But as you say, he took a huge risk, and he never really screwed anyone over but actually had been, it seemed to me, a good and supportive friend to this community.

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I don't view them as being bitter. They seemed more disappointed. Banksy had recommended Thierry tear away from the film and try some art of his own. I think this was meant as a message to find his voice. Instead of doing that, he copied the excess of his film making, and put that into his "art". So he went from copying what others were doing to video, to copying what others were doing in street art.

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I think Thierry is undeserving of condemnation. He WAS being true to his style. It just so happens that his style is that of a hack. Not sure how ironic it was meant to be, but Fairey came off as a bit pretentious in his judgment.

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He WAS being true to his style. It just so happens that his style is that of a hack.


His style was that of a hack because it was entirely derivative of others. But whose style did Thierry's art most resemble? C'mon, the movie gives you a big clue by showing you clips of a previous art exhibit by this mystery artist....

Yep, that's right. Thierry's art style resembles that of Bansky. What a coincidence! Could an unknown guy who runs a small thrift store and lives in a shanty really afford the hundreds of thousands it took to organize, promote and create the Mr. Brainwash art exhibit? Not a chance in hell.

So who really did finance and create all the work found in Mr. Brainwash's show?
Yep, you guessed it: Banksy

Bansky had been a little annoyed after his last art exhibit in L.A. for various reasons, including charges of animal cruelty. So how best to get revenge? By poking fun at the L.A. art community and making them go crazy for a fake, dweeby, hack artist. And what better way to tweak the nose of Hollywood than by using a movie to make fun of them.

There are so many clues. Theirry is so obviously shown as devoid of talent for most of the movie. He simply couldn't have created the art. The title "Exit Through The Gift Shop" and the name "Mr. Brainwash" are additional clues. But if that wasn't enough, notice how the movie ends. There is no better metaphor for knocking down the walls of hypocrisy than that ending.

If you forgot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F7B9yBbbU0

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i think, because, he's not a real artist.

The acquisition of video footage does not automatically equate as art. One must assemble it in a way to make a statement or create beauty for it to become art.

He ended up standing on the shoulders of real artists like Bansky and others, and sold the hype.

There's nothing wrong with making a dollar, but its clear that a real artist like Bansky does it for the love of what he's doing.... Its not like Bansky gets paid to illegally paint a wall. But Mr. Brainwash, on the other hand, had other artists create concoctions, to sell off, based on hype.

Why WOULDN'T they turn on him, is the question.

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When you'are an artist working with another artist, the most stressful thing you can experience is when that person is disorganized. Putting up a gallery show is exhausting, both physically and mentally. It's no 8-5 job where you go home in the afternoon and relax. You do it all day, every day, until you're finished. And then people you're dealing with needs to be organized, or else you get too much stress. And people like that tend to get a bad reputation. I've been on both sides of this, and know how disbelief in a disorganized artist can arise. You always have too little time, and you need efficiency as much as possible.

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