Is woke?


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No. I could not detect any lectures or finger-wagging in the film.

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Wow! In that case, this film deserves to be a HUGE hit, and it's a shame that it isn't getting more buzz.

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The Disney brand is in crisis.

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Paramount release Transformers rise of the beasts, it flops, Warner Brothers releases The Flash which will flop hard, Universal releases Reinfield and it flops hard, yet Disney is the one in crisis in your eyes? lol deluded the hate you have for Disney has made you deluded.

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Whilst there may be some bias on the part of Disney's critics, I also think it's fair to say that the Disney brand is more distinctive, and thus more divisive than the other studios you mentioned. That's not a criticism by the way. Distinctive is generally a good thing (although less so when filmmakers feel hemmed in by a studio's in-house style). And so that's why some people talk of the 'Disney brand' rather than the WB or Universal one (and even though those studios have some distinctive features too, with WB concentrating on superheroes and IPs, and Paramount known for its focus on comedy, as well as Star Trek, most people are more likely to identify a Disney film over a WB or Paramount one).

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Good post, put queenfanusa is still a troll.

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Very possibly, but in this instance, they have a point (whether it was intentional/thoughtful or an inadvertent consequence of trolling).

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Shame.

Too much wokeness I think has made people reticent to give some movies a chance.

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It's the finger-wagging and lectures I resent.

I don't have a problem with *subtle* wokeness, especially when it's done in the service of the film's story. If the film is *about* racism or misogyny, of course it will be woke, but when it's shoehorned into something that's supposedly fun and silly, it just seems egregious.

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Yes, exactly. One of the themes of this film is different groups of people resenting each other for the way they are, which is an obvious allegory for racism.

But it doesn’t feature reminders that racism is not a good thing. The audience is treated as intelligent enough to know this already.

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100%

Smart filmmakers know how to tell progressive, and, if one likes, 'woke' stories, without battering audience's heads with the obvious real-world references.

My politics are progressive, so it's not the messaging per se that I take umbrage with, so much as the patronising assumption that Hollywood know best, and has to educate 'stupid' people like me.

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Well, the fire residents were discriminated to some extent, but they could burn something down,despite that fact it was somber seeing them treated like that.

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The thing is with recent hollywood releases, especially Disney, you assume it will be 'woke'. So it'd be a shame if this wasn't woke but paid for the sins of other releases. The brand is tainted. Wokeney.

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It looks like an intrinsically 'woke' theme (i.e. prejudice/miscegenation...although in today's FUCKED UP world, some 'woke' people now seem to be advocating separatism over integration, which is ironic considering how hard many progressives fought to achieve the latter), but handled with an admirably light touch.

Like I keep saying, there's NOTHING WRONG with woke/progressive themes (IMHO they're far preferable to reactionary ones, although even as a leftist, one sometimes wonders what a *good* right-wing film might look like). It's when they're dealt with in a heavy-handed way or clumsily shoehorned into material that doesn't warrant them, that it becomes irritating.

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