Seriously did they explain? In the last episode he thought the girls knew too much which I get but what was his reason for tormenting them in the dollhouse? Because they're 'bitches' who didn't understand him? Besides Mona and Rollins do any of the villains actually have logical reasons for wanting revenge?
shareNo they didn't. I think this is the thing that frustrates me the most about the finale. Why were you so upset with these girls?
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It was so funny and sad at the same time. How exactly did they not understand him? He acts like he was Toby and was wrongly accused of murder. Noel isn't AD but he never explained himself or behaved rationally. Typical victim complex of the pll villains and we don't get any explanations. I don't mind the show portraying the PLLs as less than perfect more gray characters but people who have no reason to hate them are the first ones attacking them. It doesn't make any sense.
"When life gives you lemons"
Jessica D: sleep with their fathers and have secret lemon children
Your last sentence is just how I feel about the whole Noel thing and why it bothered me so much that he was in the dollhouse. What in the world did Spencer do to you, to have you do something like that to her? What did the girls do period to have you helping to torture them? That PTSD is never going away for them.
Jenna...I get. Like I truly get but Cece and Noel's motives are asinine.
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Very frustrating indeed, Noel's motive was never was explained. His reason for being in the Dollhouse, there was no logic behind it. They just kind of left us hanging and Noel's head rolling around.
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Pun intended
Most definitely and from what I've gathered from the info we have about 7B, alot of the good answers won't be answered until late in the season or finale
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So, we'll get the important answers in the last 10 minutes of the finale, if that's the case it would be a huge disservice to fans.
shareLol!! He probably accidentally stumbled into the dollhouse like he accidentally beheaded himself.
"When life gives you lemons"
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Lol!! He probably accidentally stumbled into the dollhouse like he accidentally beheaded himself.
I think it's very possible he was blackmailed to be in the dollhouse (or even a prisoner himself, forced to do stuff for some reason). I honestly think (ok, hope is the correct word) he wouldn't NOT wear mask if he was in cahoots with Cece willingly. It would be huge risk on their part. And the way he looked in the camera (very sloppy, if he was indeed working with Cece and not wearing anything to mask himself) looked a bit like when Mona did when she was doing what Cece wanted her to/communicating with her.
We saw just small part of what he did there. He could possibly keep the videos as insurance (same as he did with Ali's photos).
Still, the lack of explaination of his motives is a big FU from the writers and I hope we will get some (in the show, not on Twitter or in interview, lol)
One thing came to my mind now - if Sara wasn't "that bad" (she wanted to protect Emily, in PLL universe it's an excuse for anything anyone done, if they needed their "redemption"), it's possible he and Sara met in Dollhouse and became friends.
Then they wanted to fight Cece's friend (Jenna), befriended her to "keep her closer", then Jenna found out, killed her and set Noel up. Then Noel was pissed Hanna kidnapped him and lured them in the school for blind, which was intended to be Noel vs. Jenna battlefield, to kill them off. (Which is totally not what his words implied, but then again, words are interpretive lol. Or even worse, we'll find out that the whole episode was "flashback" (for us it would be real-time, but it's narrated by someone in the future, possibly in police station) and things didn't happen exactly like we saw.
Wow, now I had words (and thoughts) diarrhea, I hope you understand what I wanted to say lol.
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Well, I'm rewatching PLL now, so I am kinda starting to understand Noel. First Ali breaks him and his gf up, he gets with Aria only to find out Aria is messing with Ezra behind his back, he thinks Ezra is forcing her and offers to help her, she tells him it isn't like that. Feeling betrayed, Noel tells the principal and Aria denies it, making him look like a liar. Then Noel gets set up for stealing test answers, he thinks the Liars did it. Then Holden injures Noel when Noel was trying to talk to Aria on the roof and they lock him up on the roof. Then the Liars accuse Noel of killing Maya. The Ali blackmails Noel and the Liars refuse to give him the only thing he has to protect himself from Ali's blackmail. Then Hanna tries to drug him, knocks him out, kidnaps him, ties him up AND cuts him. I think I'd be pretty angry too if I was Noel. Ofc we see everything from the Liar's point of view and so we know why they did everything they did, but Noel has no idea what is really going on.
shareI know that blackmailing Ezra wasn't the best decision but the show pretending that Noel is the bad guy is laughable. Ezra shouldn't have been dating a student at all. I just want to know why Noel was helping Alison in the first place and what made him change his mind.
"When life gives you lemons"
Jessica D: sleep with their fathers and have secret lemon children
Noel being involved with the dollhouse makes no sense to me. What does he have against the liars? Could he have been wronged by one of them years earlier?
So many questions. I don't see how any of this is going to make sense in the end. Up until this point, the character of Noel Kahn seemed like nothing more than just some shady douchebag they knew from high school, which served no purpose other than to just provoke suspicion in the show's viewers.
We only saw a little bit of him in the first season or two and that was it.
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I'm a little curious what you are considering Rollins' logical motive.
As for Noel, you're right. It was never really explained. I'm thinking it must've been because Ali apparently knew he pushed the girl who died at the frat party and used it against him for so long. The only other maybe kind of reason I can think of is that Aria rejected him for Ezra and/or he actually loved Mona who was the original A.
The only other maybe kind of reason I can think of is that Aria rejected him for Ezra
Rollins wanted revenge on the person who killed the woman he loved. Generic but I understand the logic.
shareI don't think that's 100% true since he was a con man from the beginning. I think he just wanted the money and didn't care about cece. This A.D. person is the one that cares who killed her which guides me to believe he's a relative or an old lover.
shareNo, we have not learned his motives. However, in the promo for season 7B we see Jenna saying something like how she has to tell the whole truth, so hopefully that will cover Noel's motivations.
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I bet we find out in the ed.
Maybe he was a psychopath that All the various gave him a chance to act that out....not rationalization needed.
Or maybe he, like Charles, really wanted to be a girl.
Maybe there is something we don't know that is huge about his past.
this article kind of explains it.
http://www.vulture.com/2016/08/brant-daugherty-pretty-little-liars-noel-kahn.html
"he was a good person, and he wanted nothing more than to be with Aria and have a healthy relationship and be a popular rich jock and throw parties and have fun. It was all very harmless. And then Aria betrays him for our teacher, and then I get suspended from school, and then this whole cascade of terrible things happens to him throughout the years. Some of them are his own fault, but a lot of them are not. And he’s not privy to the same information that the four Liars are about “A” and all of these things. So he’s been misunderstood his entire run on the show. He’s always been something that they don’t see him has. They see him as a villain, they see him as this, they see him as that. And then finally in the last season, he owns it, and he becomes that villain. And I think he means a lot of things by saying “you never understood me.”
" I really wanted to get inside of what he was dealing with and highlight all of the things that have been done to him after all of these years. Everything he was mistakenly blamed for, or felt ashamed for something that he didn’t do. He had a tough run, and it all culminates in this moment when he’s finally going to take these people out with Jenna. That was their plan. And I was just trying to run through everything that went into that moment from the start. So a lot of it had to do with Aria; a lot had to deal with the accusations from Spencer; the constant side-eye from Emily. The way they treated him over the years. If you look at this show from Noel’s perspective, which is what my job is, he’s not a bad guy. In a way, the four Liars have been antagonizing him for years."
This is a pretty good explanation and what I've been thinking as well. Of course the show is from the Liars perspective and we are supposed to root for them, so of course we see Noel as the bad guy when in reality he isn't.. the girls have been constantly accusing him of being someone/something he is not. It's understandable that Noel would eventually snap (maybe not kill people lol) but I don't blame him for being pissed at them. He's just a normal high school guy who got stuck in this web with these girls who are always in trouble, pointing the finger at other people, etc. He probably figured at some point he'd be in jail wrongly accused of something because of the girls and decided to get rid of them.
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