1. Things are getting musical. Executive producer Oliver Goldstick told reporters that since the whole cast is so talented, he has been begging for a musical number for all seven seasons, and he finally made it happen. "A ll of them have incredible talents and singing happens to be one of them," Goldstick said. "And I thought it was a shame that we didn't utilize that and we found a way to platform it in the last 10 episodes. 2. The time jumps aren't over! "There will be a one year time jump before it ends," exec producer I. Marlene King revealed. 3. That moment in Allison's classroom has not been forgotten. Season six ended with the other girls showing up in a classroom where Allison is a teacher, telling her "he's coming." Exec producer Joseph Dougherty promised, "During the last 10, we'll get back to it. The deeper you get into the 10, the denser the episodes get." 4. Not all is as it seems with the couples. It looks as if all the girls will end up right back with their high school boyfriends, but that's not necessarily the case. Apparently, we'll be surprised. "The couples who are meant to be together will find themselves back together," King said, but "It's a very curvy road, many ups and downs until we get to the end." Read Shay Mitchell Pens Emotional Letter to Pretty Little Liars Co-Star Troian Bellisario About Missing Her... 5. The final 10 episodes are sort of a tribute to the fans. "We've said this is the most shocking, the most romantic, the most deadly, this final season," King said. "But I would also say these last 10 episodes are a love letter to the fans." "You feel each one of us as witers and as creators wanting to give something back to the fans who have been so loyal," Dougherty agreed. 6. We're about to learn more about Allison's evolution, and the truth about her family. Her actions over the series will become "if not forgivable, it's certainly comprehensible," according to Goldstick. 7. The cast is often just as confused as everyone else is about all the plot twists. "I'm equally as confused and I'm on the show," Lucy Hale told reporters. "It's been very fun. We almost need graphs and grids to understand what's going on." 8. ...Which is why the cast can't wait for us to see the final episodes. "That's why I'm so excited for the end, so they're all get their answers," Shay Mitchell said of the fans. "All the answers except for how the moms got out of the basement. You're never going to know." (King says that while we'll never see the moms get out of the basement they were locked in before that five year time jump, it will be discussed.) 9. And finally, part of the mystery this season revolves around...an evil board game. A.D. gifts the girls with a giant box that contains "A board game that is created by AD and he forces the Liars to play this game in the final 10 episodes," King reveals. "And the stakes are incredibly high."
I was JUST thinking that we managed to make it 7 seasons without shoehorning in a musical scene/episode.
I jinxed it everyone! Sorry about that!
Not all is as it seems with the couples. It looks as if all the girls will end up right back with their high school boyfriends, but that's not necessarily the case.
K. Sure.
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Lol I was just about to quote this part. At mot this means that Spencer doesn't end up with Toby but Hanna will definitely end up with Caleb(barf) and Aria will end up with Ezra(sigh then barf). They're so annoying. I can't believe they chose the final 10 episodes to stick in a musical scene oh wait yes I can because they do this every season. Wait until the end to *beep* off time.
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Exactly. I wish the network would've told them well we don't necessarily pay all of the writers and we don't necessarily renew tv shows due to popularity. See how they like it. I kind of want all of them to end the show single.
"When life gives you lemons" Jessica D: sleep with their fathers and have secret lemon children
I think "necessarily" could refer to Ezria and Haleb being definites, and Emison and Spoby will have open endings where fans can believe they'll end up together in the future... Or not.
So is there a reason why Alison was so bitchy and mean? I thought she was the way she was because she was a queen b in high school and had that queen b attitude.
So are we now going to find out there was a reason behind all of that???
They are still trying to redeem her character after bringing her back from the dead. Her character arc since she's been back has been tragic...almost just as bad as what they've done with Mona.
Everything they messed up, they're gonna try to fix in the last ten episodes and it's going to feel like a rush job.
It's like it's not enough that she was a horrible person, went through a lot, changed, and became better (I still don't think she's "good" but most people do, anyway). No, no, she has to have been just misunderstood and good since the very beginning!
Why is that necessary? It reminds me of the section of Emison shippers who aren't satisfied with the idea that Alison has grown over time to love Emily, but insist that she's loved her since the very beginning, though most of the evidence points to the fact that she didn't.
I disagree with that conclusion of Emison. I disagree with most people when it comes to Emison but that's not surprising. There have been subtitles throughout the series that can be argued that Alison did love Emily from the beginning and when any person threatened to tear Emily from her, that person was then in her cross-heirs and she treated them with a cruelty that was above and beyond.
It happened with Jenna and Paige respectively. She may have never processed her feelings for Emily well (poor writing) but it has always something that has been there from the beginning.
I disagree with that conclusion of Emison. I disagree with most people when it comes to Emison but that's not surprising. There have been subtitles throughout the series that can be argued that Alison did love Emily from the beginning and when any person threatened to tear Emily from her, that person was then in her cross-heirs and she treated them with a cruelty that was above and beyond.
It happened with Jenna and Paige respectively. She may have never processed her feelings for Emily well (poor writing) but it has always something that has been there from the beginning.
I respect that opinion, and I agree that Alison has shown some possession over Emily, but I don't think that translates into romantic feelings as much as it does the need to control her. She thrived on Emily loving her and only her. We catch a glimpse of a diary entry that she wrote about that library kiss (at the start of 4x15, I believe?) that makes it quite clear she had no feelings for Emily during that time.
But you're right, it probably all does come down to poor writing - especially if they want us to see Alison as a good or bad character at whatever moment.
I respect that opinion, and I agree that Alison has shown some possession over Emily, but I don't think that translates into romantic feelings as much as it does the need to control her.
Possession is a strong term there and I'm gonna have to disagree with that as well as the assessment everyone makes about Alison needing to control Emily. Alison may have wanted to control the other girls but Emily gave Alison her love and devotion from the start. Why would Alison need to control someone whom was already loyal without a fault. Emily loved Alison through life and death and has shown time and again she will but Alison first above all, so I don't think that is the case that Alison needed to possess and control Emily, because Emily gave all that away willfully from the start.
What Alison needed to do, which she's never been is be honest. She lies to everyone and to herself the most. She was never honest about why she targeted Paige and Jenna the way she did. It was overt and downright unnecessary compared to the bullying she did to others. And the common factor there has always been Emily.
I hold all of those things with a grain of salt because now we're being told that everything was for a reason...again with the poor writing.
My issue is this and I will state this to the cow comes home, poor writing aside, Emison didn't just fall out the clear blue sky. It is one of the oldest relationships on the show. The problem is a lot of Emison was done off-camera so we aren't privy to all that happened between those two. No they didn't go on dates, we've seen them kiss a couple times, they've had sex and never spoke of it again, but Emison has always been around. Alison has always been Emily's first love and because Alison is written all over the damn place...we're still left guessing about her true intentions. That honestly is because nothing has ever been made definitive between the two. There are feelings there and have been feelings there and anyone denying them are kidding themselves.
My second issue with this whole thing is the unrealistic moral code that Alison is suppose to live up to, that she will honestly never meet. Alison will always be seen as evil because she was a bully at the grand age of fifteen/sixteen and she will never be forgiven for it. She's seen as the worst person but when it comes to the other four liars and all the dirt they've done...no contest. They are forgiven almost instantly for doing some of the vilest things. The hypocrisy of this never ceases to amaze me.
With that said, I would love if Alison is AD or Aria
Unfortunately I'm going to have to disagree with just about all of that EXCEPT THE LAST SENTENCE YES WE FINALLY AGREE!!! :D
Why would Alison need to control someone whom was already loyal without a fault.
She needed to keep Emily under her control. Why do abusers bring flowers and gifts to their victims after they slam them against walls? Because it's a lot easier to leave someone who treats you like crap all the time, as opposed to someone who makes up for those unpleasant, cruel moments with acts of kindness. Once again it's all about interpretation, as so much of Emison is, but I see those sweet little memories (Paris, the snow globe, etc.) as Alison's way of ensuring that Emily remained loyal to her. After all, she used to go on and on about how much she trusted Emily, how Emily was the only one who understood her, blah blah, but that apparently wasn't the case, seeing as how she didn't bother to confide in Emily when it really mattered (such as, let's see, when she wasn't actually dead for two years?!).
The problem is a lot of Emison was done off-camera so we aren't privy to all that happened between those two.
Okay this confuses me, honestly. What are you referring to here?
Alison will always be seen as evil because she was a bully at the grand age of fifteen/sixteen and she will never be forgiven for it.
I mean absolutely no offense to you personally by this, but oh my god Alison was not just a bully and I hate that her actions are downgraded to that status. She excluded people, name-called, told lied, and made her friends feel bad, all typical bullying behavior. But she also, off of the top of my mind, threw a lit firecracker into an enclosed space and never felt any remorse of it, proceeded to try and blame that incident on one of her best friends, blackmailed grown adults for thousands of dollars, convinced another one of her best friends to throw up her food so she'd get thinner, and nearly drove a girl to suicide.
That's not a bully. That's a sociopath. I can't think of anything the Liars have ever done that measures up to the acts that Ali's committed, but I'd be interested in reading your logic on that.
I feel like a lot of that was harsh and I didn't mean for it to be! :)
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She needed to keep Emily under her control. Why do abusers bring flowers and gifts to their victims after they slam them against walls? Because it's a lot easier to leave someone who treats you like crap all the time, as opposed to someone who makes up for those unpleasant, cruel moments with acts of kindness. Once again it's all about interpretation, as so much of Emison is, but I see those sweet little memories (Paris, the snow globe, etc.) as Alison's way of ensuring that Emily remained loyal to her. After all, she used to go on and on about how much she trusted Emily, how Emily was the only one who understood her, blah blah, but that apparently wasn't the case, seeing as how she didn't bother to confide in Emily when it really mattered (such as, let's see, when she wasn't actually dead for two years?!).
That's my point entirely. With how awful Alison was as a person at that point in the story, she didn't need to keep Emily under any control because Emily gave Alison her loyalty through it all. She was loyal through Alison not being a good person and even in her 'death'. Why would Alison have to keep Emily under a control that was already given to her willfully throughout the series?
Now when Ali came back, that's a different story all together at that point but early on in the seasons, Emily was always loyal to Alison over everyone because of her love for her.
Okay this confuses me, honestly. What are you referring to here?
What we've been shown of Emison has always been told through Emily's point of view. She says a lot of things that happened between her and Alison that we aren't shown through flashbacks. Alison even implied that they kissed quite often but we as the audience was never shown a lot of this. Alison had solo moments with all of the girls but in a lot of the Emily/Ali stuff is never seen, only told or implied through Emily and sometimes Ali.
I mean absolutely no offense to you personally by this, but oh my god Alison was not just a bully and I hate that her actions are downgraded to that status. She excluded people, name-called, told lied, and made her friends feel bad, all typical bullying behavior. But she also, off of the top of my mind, threw a lit firecracker into an enclosed space and never felt any remorse of it, proceeded to try and blame that incident on one of her best friends, blackmailed grown adults for thousands of dollars, convinced another one of her best friends to throw up her food so she'd get thinner, and nearly drove a girl to suicide.
That's not a bully. That's a sociopath. I can't think of anything the Liars have ever done that measures up to the acts that Ali's committed, but I'd be interested in reading your logic on that.
I feel like a lot of that was harsh and I didn't mean for it to be! :)
It's not harsh. People see the show differently and that's the beauty of watching television.
Alison was a bully yes. But who were the ones that stood by and allowed Alison to bully other people and even laugh at some of the things she did...the four liars. They didn't like when Alison pulled that crap on them, but when it was happening to other people they were suddenly mute. They knew Alison was bullying Mona and they were even part of making Mona feel terrible about herself...but whose fault is it Alison's.
And yes she threw firecracker into an enclosed space, but guess who was with Alison? the four liars. Guess who has never fessed up to what actually happened that night? the four liars. Who also allowed Toby to take the blame and they kept their pretty little mouths shut? Those four liars. Till this day those five girls have yet to admit to anyone but themselves, Jenna, and Ezra (why?) the truth of that night. They've never fessed up to blinding a girl. Like they blinded a girl but somehow it's Ali's fault and her fault alone They went there with the intentions of pulling a prank, it went far to the left and instead of being honest about it and suffering the consequences they all kept their mouths closed. And somehow they're still surprised that Jenna's pissed with them...like seriously.
Silence in the face of wrongness, is often a way of being compliant and giving consent to what's being done.
In my opinion, the four liars are just as guilty as Alison but Alison will always be held to a higher moral code then them.
Off the top of my head, some of the things that these girls have done or watched being done is just as bad as the things Alison has done. Spencer kidnapped a child, Hanna was stealing *beep* from the mall...cause reasons, she also watched her mother steal from a bank, all these bitches done stole official documents, forged *beep* murdered someone, lied about it, and buried the body. Broken in and out of places. Didn't they sink a cop car? Aria trashed her dad's office at his place of work. Oh yeah, I forgot Aria killed Shana and they never told anyone...like no one. I mean the list could go on and on and on...
But! Alison was a bully, who made people feel bad about themselves, along with being a manipulative bitch...so she's the worst person ever.
My point is that they've all done some crazy, crazy things but Alison is the one who gets the brunt of hate because you know, she's a bitch. It's hypocritical because there's not a character on this show that has any high moral standings what so ever but she get's thrown under the bus out of everyone else.
Also, Alison is not a sociopath. Sociopath's don't have the ability to feel things and they have a lack of conscience about things...I don't think that's Alison at this point.
Ali was indeed a sociopath before the writers changed her character sometime around season 4 when we start to see a more vulnerable side of her. Now the writers made it seem as if she was just a bully/mean girl. She lack empathy- blinded Jenna and rubbed it into her face and placed the blame on Toby. She was manipulative and cold- used the liars' and other people's secrets against them for her own personal gain. She was narcissistic- she told Jason that Spencer was the mastermind behind the stink bomb accident. She's charming and could have others fall under her spell. Saw herself as being superior and leader out of the group and in the school, she was the Queen B. She has a high IQ and uses it to plan ahead. She was a compulsive liar. Intolerance for boredom- broke up Noel and his girlfriend for fun.
Alison even implied that they kissed quite often but we as the audience was never shown a lot of this.
What?! That's not true at all. There has never been any implication that Alison and Emily had any romantic interactions beyond the library, outside of the barn in 2x12, the makeout/sex scene in 5x05, and the most recent one in 7x10. When Alison refers to "those kisses" not being for practice, she's referring to the first two listed.
My point is that they've all done some crazy, crazy things but Alison is the one who gets the brunt of hate because you know, she's a bitch.
The difference between Alison and the Liars, to me, is intention. Generally when the girls did something wrong or bad, they were doing it because they felt it was the right thing to do (and we all know their stupidity is what drives this show), or so they could help someone else. Ali did awful things just because she should.
And at least the Liars have felt remorse over what they did to Jenna - and I even believe they did apologize to her indirectly in one scene. Alison, the direct perpetrator, has never seemed even remotely guilty over actually blinding someone.
Also, Alison is not a sociopath.
I didn't say she was...? Her actions in the flashbacks, which I listed in my last post, are indicative of a sociopath. That's clearly the path they were going down with Alison before they ultimately changed their minds.
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What?! That's not true at all. There has never been any implication that Alison and Emily had any romantic interactions beyond the library, outside of the barn in 2x12, the makeout/sex scene in 5x05, and the most recent one in 7x10. When Alison refers to "those kisses" not being for practice, she's referring to the first two listed.
I don't think this is true. Alison somewhere in season five says to Emily that 'those kisses weren't just for practice, that they meant more' or something like that. Implying that there was more than just that one kiss in the library. Also Emily said that she and Ali had been to the kissing rock. So I think it's accurate to assume there was more there, that we as the audience were allowed to see. But this also comes down to poor writing. I hate to blame it on this but it's true. People are still second guessing Alison's motives, her feelings and intentions and the question is why? They've had sex...but no conversation. Almost as if it never happened. They've said one or two sentences about their past but no real conversation. We've had whole episodes dedicated to Ezria (gag me), Haleb, and Spoby. Long diatribes about how they feel about one another but Emison...nope.
The difference between Alison and the Liars, to me, is intention. Generally when the girls did something wrong or bad, they were doing it because they felt it was the right thing to do (and we all know their stupidity is what drives this show), or so they could help someone else. Ali did awful things just because she should.
And at least the Liars have felt remorse over what they did to Jenna - and I even believe they did apologize to her indirectly in one scene. Alison, the direct perpetrator, has never seemed even remotely guilty over actually blinding someone.
There is no difference in my opinion. There is no good intention for kidnapping someones child. There weren't really good intentions for a lot of the wrong stuff they did. The four liars have done stuff, just to do it or to save their relationships with there significant other. They've stood back, while Alison did things and watched. Or they actively participated. Any remorse they've shown has been short lived and only because they were suffering some type of terrible consequence for what they did, if we truly look at it. They've only ever showed true remorse with one another...when they've hurt each other. Anything or anyone else got apologies because of guilt.
Alison throwing the firecracker, does not negate the fact that they helped blind a girl. And they didn't feel all that bad about it, even with the apology because they still haven't fessed up. They still haven't come clean. But who is the one that get the majority of the blame...Alison.
I didn't say she was...? Her actions in the flashbacks, which I listed in my last post, are indicative of a sociopath. That's clearly the path they were going down with Alison before they ultimately changed their minds.
I agree here. Because they've written her all of the place we don't know who the hell Alison is supposed to be. And judging by these leaks...they are retconning everything we know about her.
I don't think this is true. Alison somewhere in season five says to Emily that 'those kisses weren't just for practice, that they meant more' or something like that. Implying that there was more than just that one kiss in the library. Also Emily said that she and Ali had been to the kissing rock. So I think it's accurate to assume there was more there, that we as the audience were allowed to see.
I'm sorry, but I really think you're wrong here. Like I said before, when Alison said kisses (plural), she was referring to the library kiss and the kiss when she pulled Emily out of the barn. That's it. If they had kissed more than that, it would have definitely been significant enough to see through flashbacks or at least be mentioned. And Emily never said, to my knowledge, anything about going to the Kissing Rock with Alison. Can you provide the episode for that?
I'm not going to keep arguing about Alison's bad deeds compared to the Liars because it's clear that we have very different opinions regarding that. But I'll just say once again that I completely disagree.
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It's all very unnecessary. I don't think Alison needs a deeper reason for her queen of mean personality. She did those things because she could. She had power over everyone and she abused it. If they wanted to explore that particular arc then they waited too late.
"When life gives you lemons" Jessica D: sleep with their fathers and have secret lemon children
Exactly. They could just leave it at that, she was mean because she was allowed to be and she held power of others. No need to get deeper than that. IF they wanted to explain her behavior, it should have happened immediately in 5A.
I dislike the idea of this very much, but the only possibility that I would find interesting is if Alison acted the way she did because of some sort of personality disorder. Some time in Radley during her childhood, perhaps?
I wouldn't mind that storyline playing out, but I the way that PLL has handled mental illness in the past makes me hesitant for them to go down that road again. And I think that's it's way too late for anything like this. Ali was terrible because that's just the kind of person she was. There doesn't need to be some big justification for anything. She's changed...isn't that all that matters now?