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So... how about all the other crimes? (spoilers)

posted 11 years ago by panda_nero
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Ok, let's take for granted he's proven his innocence (well... that's debatable, but let's say so). He's innocent regarding THE DIAMOND.
But what about everything else?
I mean, he broke into several hotel rooms, beat up some guys, his brother BROKE INTO A VAULT!!! THEY FAKED HIS FATHER'S DEATH!!!!! He may have proved that he didn't steal the first time, but are we going to forget ALL THESE OTHER CRIMES? I mean, you prove your innocence for one crime, you got a free bonus?

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[–] mark_dowie 11 years ago

Totally agree.. and how many other films have we seen this particularly issue in? I guess it's alright if a crowd's watching.

[–] Ryan-lindsey1 10 years ago

Just to be clear, they do not know who broke into the vault. Only one who knows, and is just assuming, is Mercer.

[–] Sam_Fisher_Agent_47 9 years ago

Those crimes would not have been committed once he has been proven innocent. Therefore, a pardon comes into effect.

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[–] sErpEnt_v 9 years ago

^not true, a crime remains a crime, "woulda coulda shoulda" does not play into it whatsoever. Also, there is no law or "right" that says you can go to whatever lengths in trying to prove your innocence. It's a Hollywood fiction and nothing else, and the makers of this movie didn't even bother to TRY and make it sound realistic in any way.

If this plot had any basis in reality whatsoever, he would probably face charges for those, let's call them secondary crimes, at the very least this would have been DEBATED by the authorities.
And in that case the only way he could've gotten off scott free would have been if the prosecutors or some higher ups were afraid that trying Cassidy again would cause too much of a backlash in the public eye (i.e. a "court of public opinion" thing).

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[–] Sam_Fisher_Agent_47 9 years ago

As I mentioned, a pardon would come into effect. These crimes were the only way to prove a man is innocent and NOT guilty. Apart from that, don't you think that David Englander's insurance company would have something to say about this seeing he screwed them out of $40,000,000?

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 9 years ago

Man, you are apparently a retard. A pardon would certainly not come into effect. A pardon *may* or may not be granted, it certainly would not naturally occur as a matter of course.

[–] Sam_Fisher_Agent_47 9 years ago

Let's look at all the other crimes.

(1) Breaking into a building
(2) NOT stealing anything in the safe when they realised the Englander diamond wasn't in it.

Yep, those people are beasts who need to be locked up in solitary confinement for life 

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 9 years ago

No, you are a retard who does not understand the judicial system in the US.

Whether the prosecutors choose to go after specific criminals is indeed a decision that is performed on a case-by-case basis. Whether you are automatically entitled to a pardon (within this context) is not subjective or unclear, it is an absolute case that the answer is no, you have no such entitlement to a pardon. Simple as that.

Hence, you being called out for a retarded position.

[–] Sam_Fisher_Agent_47 9 years ago

No no, I agree with you completely. Let's forget that Nick Cassidy received pardon for his jail break, and let's also forget that Joey and Angie committed minor crimes in order for an innocent man to walk free.

Let's lock them up and throw away the key for the minor crimes they committed 

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 9 years ago

Yes, the retard-ness is deep in you.

I am curious about you. Are you a child? Or are you a full-grown adult? You horrify me, a person who is so deeply stupid he doesn't understand how things work.

Justice is not relevant here. The legal system is. If you are a full-grown adult in the US, how did you manage to reach adulthood without understanding that the law and justice are separate entities? You are a deeply disturbed man. I can easily see you getting into a violent conflict with a LEO because you think you are in the right and getting shot in the struggle.

[–] Sam_Fisher_Agent_47 9 years ago

Who said I was in the US? I'm not in the US, nor am I American, nor have I ever been to America.

Secondly, if Nick Cassidy gets pardon (yes, he got pardon, that's why he was released from jail), then those who committed lesser crimes to get him out should also be freed.

Finally, if there is no proof of them committing these crimes, there is no case for them to answer (from memory, they did not get caught on camera).

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 9 years ago

Hence "If".

He did not receive a pardon (as best as can be determined from the film). He most likely was released from jail because his case was reviewed and he was found to not be guilty. A pardon is when you are guilty and released, he was innocent and released.

"should" "no proof" These are all words addressing the likelihood of them being charged and prosecuted. They do not address the likelihood of them being granted a legal pardon by the State, which is certainly not guaranteed as you claimed.

Long story short, you are almost literally a retard in your position and fully deserves to be made fun of. Lol at the notion of a guaranteed pardon simply because of "justice". There is no procedure for any such guarantee, you are imagining a system that does not exist.

[–] Sam_Fisher_Agent_47 9 years ago

As I said to you above, lock them up and throw away the key.

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 9 years ago

As I said, you are a retard holding a retarded position. There is no such thing as a guaranteed pardon, and you are grossly stupid for thinking such a thing exist.

[–] Sam_Fisher_Agent_47 9 years ago

Right... there is absolutely NO WAY they will be granted any kind of clemency whatsoever! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_President_of_the_United_States

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 9 years ago

Right... there is absolutely NO WAY they will be *guaranteed to be* granted any kind of clemency whatsoever!

[–] Sam_Fisher_Agent_47 9 years ago

Excuse me? Where did I mention "guaranteed to be?" - those were your words, not mine!

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 9 years ago

Your posts indicating that a pardon would be granted without any qualifications or restrictions.

Therefore, a pardon comes into effect.

As I mentioned, a pardon would come into effect

My initial post stating clearly that it is not guaranteed, and you continued to post and dispute this. I very specifically stated that a pardon may be granted, but it is not guaranteed.

Man, you are apparently a retard. A pardon would certainly not come into effect. A pardon *may* or may not be granted, it certainly would not naturally occur as a matter of course.

Very clearly, your position all along was that it is guaranteed, and you are indeed a retard. Your stupid position has been pointed out by all 3 posters who replied to you. Face it, you are retarded.

[–] Sam_Fisher_Agent_47 9 years ago

I will quit arguing about this here...

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Goodbye 😃

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 9 years ago

lol. Got owned and now whining like a coward.

Goodbye, little boy. Next time, do not argue with your intellectual superiors or you will get owned again even worse.

I banish you from this forum, not to return until you gain at least the maturity of a retard. Begone from my realm!!!

[–] sErpEnt_v 9 years ago

You seem to be working off a very idealistic world view. Unfortunately, that is not how the system works, it's a Hollywood pipe dream.

I'll repeat: there is no right, law or principle in effect that gives anyone leeway to break the law in an effort to prove that they are innocent. If breaking the law is, as you say, "the only way" to prove someone's innocence, then the law forbids you from doing so.

I'm not sure why you bring up Englander's insurance fraud - this was not about any possible legal repercussions for Englander, likely as they may be.

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[–] Sam_Fisher_Agent_47 9 years ago

Right, so as I mentioned above, let's lock Joey and Angie up for breaking into a building. Clearly they are a menace to society and will stop at nothing to ensure that the day of reckoning will be bestowed upon Earth.

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[–] houstonhacker 9 years ago

Yah. Dumb movie.