How did Carol....
shoot all those guys in a row if she was up in the ceiling? Or am I missing something obvious because of the total boredom I was feeling?
shareMy beef with that scene was that she killed every single one of them with a single burst. "Spraying" an area like that is not going to result in a kill shot for all of them (there were, what, 5 of them?).
But like so many other times on this show, they sacrifice realism for the sake of action-movie convenience. And I think that's a big contributing factor to why people are losing interest in this show now.
That's what I was trying to get at....she killed them perfectly and efficiently yet she was up in a cramped roof space. Didn't waste a single bullet. Fucking ridiculous.
shareYeah also I was trying to figure out exactly how she could even tilt the gun correctly to aim it at the group. There's not a lot of space above the ceiling in most buildings, so she was probably lying down, too. Great shooter, that Carol!
shareThat’s right . I’ve been losing interest. I’ve been aggravated since Glenn and the dumpster. Angry with Gimple and co. I was manipulated and I DO NOT LIKE IT! Since JDM came on board , it’s been sh*t.
shareWe're talking about a show in which the dead....walk.
And yet we can't suspend disbelief enough to just assume there was a way Carol could have killed those guys with a machine gun? We can't forgive that she may not have had the correct angle to have achieved the shot trajectory that she did? (Really?)
She easily could have accomplished the act of shooting those guys. They didn't NEED to spoon-feed us with the details of how. In the bigger picture, she had a machine gun, and caught them by surprise. I'm not going to nit-pick the details of that. It's like nit-picking whether the guns show enough recoil....or people who count how many bullets were fired from a handgun ("hey, that was one too many bullets!"). You people miss the forest for the trees. Put the calculator down....REMOVE your thinking caps....put your feet up for an hour....have an Eggo....and just watch this graphic novel play out. Really, you're overthinking it.
Look, that old counter-argument that just because this is a show or film that takes place in a fantasy-genre where unreal things happen therefore makes *any* criticisms of it moot is not valid.
Because "the dead...walk" doesn't mean all relevant laws of how people move, act, live, behave, what-have-you in the REAL world can be stretched to ridiculous lengths simply because there are monsters walking around. Yeah, it can be done--it's their show, they can write it however they want to. But that doesn't mean they don't deserve the criticism they're getting if quite a few people in the audience feel like they're being manipulated. It's not "overthinking" anything...it's recognizing lazy writing, and also juvenile writing that panders to simpletons who don't mind their heroes always making perfect shots simply when it's convenient for them to do so. This Carol instance is just the tip of the iceberg; personally I think I'm going to throw a brick at the TV the next time I see one of the characters make a perfect head-shot with a pistol while walking or running from 25 feet or more away from their target.
TWD used to be a horror show that kept things grounded in reality. Now, it's an action movie with occasional horror simply because it's desperate to hang onto its huge audience numbers...numbers that continue to shrink because of, for one reason anyway, its poor scripting.
"Simpletons". LOL. I'll just leave that one alone. It speaks plenty without me needing to address it.
And YOUR old retort: "Just because it's a fantasy genre doesn't mean general, established rules of what mankind is and is not able to do, plus laws of gravity, laws of medicine, etc....don't apply", doesn't really work here. I'm sure you've used it many times.
My point is not: Abandon the rules of what is and is not possible. My assertion is simply....Carol had a machine gun, and had the element of surprise on those guys. She easily could have dispensed with them. A couple of you bullet-counters get all uptight about it because of things like....her gun angle? Whether or not the ceiling could have supported her? LOL. Again, you choose to get uptight about inconsequential details, and miss the forest for the trees. And you call it "lazy writing". How ironic....because THAT is one of the "laziest" IMDB (and now MovieChat) complaints ever written. It is trite and has been rubber-stamped countless times. Though MOST people don't bother....because most people really don't CARE if the "gun angle" was fully feasible. They realize she had a machine gun, and had the jump on those guys. If the details of the scene were not executed well enough to your liking, maybe this really is not the show for you. When you watch a Chuck Norris movie, all of the general rules of physics and the human condition are in play.....but let me break it to you: fights don't look like that. They aren't perfectly choreographed with perfect, clean punches and loud "pop" noises each time a blow lands. Yet someone like you would, if you're being consistent, would complain that we deserve a more realistic fight....sloppy, glancing blows, more misses than hits, immediate broken noses and blood, and complete exhaustion after about 60 seconds.
When it comes to TWD....or ANY action show or movie where there is gunfire, things get understandably unrealistic. For starters, there's simply not enough time...within a 40 minute show, to show lots of misses and failed standoffs, lots of reloading, misfires, etc. We also don't see them eat or poop. In a 40 minute show, you have to glance over the details and get to the action. In a Chuck Norris fight (or ANY movie fight), people don't want to see a lot of sloppy grappling that ends in an exhausted draw....even though that's how most real fights go. You just kinda have to...."forgive" that stuff. Forgive perfect head shots. Quit counting bullets. Or, move on.
Carol shot the bad guys with a machine gun and the element of surprise. That's all you really need to accept about that scene. If you nit-pick the details of it....you may as well nitpick everything from....the likelihood Martin Riggs could have survived that fall out the hotel room window into a swimming pool....to John McClane falling down the elevator shaft and yet being able to grab onto the opening during his fall and pull himself up into it.
Man, you must be a lot of fun at parties.
It's not "nit-picking" when, as I stipulated, these kind of suspension-of-disbelief moments accrue over and over AND OVER again on this show which, by the way, began as a HORROR television show, not an ACTION-MOVIE series. Your counter-argument seems to conveniently ignore this fact. Yes, when Martin Riggs or John McClane has those kinds of lucky shots or amazing moments, it's because they are integral to an action movie; the audience buys into them because that's what is supposed to happen in those kind of films. When they proliferate in stories that shouldn't be using them because they distract from the unreality of the existing world with even more unreal actions, it's a bad mix that steers the story from drama into comedy.
And yes, I am fun at parties. Unless they happen to be parties where a lot of simpletons are in attendance. Then, not so much fun.
I agree with you completely. This was so well-said.
shareHere I am inclined to not be hypercritical of the show. Of course in reality the firefight would have gone differently, but do you really want the scene to go on longer than it did. You just have to take for granted that a firefight happened and Carol had the element of surprise. There are a hundred things one could criticize about almost everything that happens on TWD, but some things you have to just go with ... like the acceptance of TV runs about gunfights. That is, when you shoot someone they die right away. When the good guys shoot they hit what they are shooting at, but then the bad guys fire, mostly they miss, or just wing a good guy, at which point they start healing amazingly! Then of course there is the existence of the zombies at all,who violate the laws of physics completely by even existing.
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