Wasn't Morgan a Pacifist? (spoiler)
Now all of a sudden, he wants to kill everyone in sight. From one extreme to the other. Just a little consistency from the writers would be nice.
shareNow all of a sudden, he wants to kill everyone in sight. From one extreme to the other. Just a little consistency from the writers would be nice.
sharethe saviors need to die. it's like the cylons during seasons 1,2,3 of Battlestar Galactica. There is NOTHING REDEEMABLE about those jerks. it's not about being a pacifist. it's about who gets it all. Daryl said it when he escaped and killed fat boy savior...
and i can't believe there are folks in here AND reddit hating on Morgan.
i understand his willingness to leave. you can't support that shit jesus was peddling. seeing jesus die at the hands of an escaped savior is my desire now, although with the bs they're giving us, monologues, drama, sitcom jokiness about a little girl's pie, maggie's beautiful ass... (although that last one I knda dug!) I'll never get to see that.
Saviors definitely need to die.
My criticism isn't with Morgan, but the writing. This season it appears off. The turnaround for Morgan seems inconsistent when he was so extreme in his commitment about never killing another human to maintain his sanity not that long ago. It would make more sense for him to be more reluctant to do it. I would've preferred Jesus wanting to kill and Morgan defending life.
The thing with Morgan is that, after he went psychotic, he never really fully recovered. Rick went psycho when Lori died, but he came back. Rick still has his moments of softness, heavily highlighted by tonight's episode. Morgan kind of works like a switch, it's either On or Off for him. And whenever it flips, he finds himself on the opposite side of the spectrum. There is no middle ground for him. The two halves inside him conflict and he can only take one stand.
share^agreed. spot on, actually.
shareYou got it right...Agreed
shareHe started questioning his beliefs when he had to kill a guy to save Carol. When he was at The Kingdom, he realized as long as there are people like the Saviors, he will have to keep making exceptions. So his philosophy is tainted. When he started training the kid, he saw it as a chance to start over. Morgan might be tainted, but he can train this kid right, to stay true to the teachings. When the kid died, it caused him to snap again. Ironically, he now fights against Jesus and is so lost in himself that he doesn't realize he is fighting against his former self, or the person he wanted for the kid to become.
What it looks like they are doing with the story is setting up these conflicts between the main characters because the war will eventually end, and there will still be a lot of Saviors who survive who have to be dealt with peacefully. Yes, there are a lot of assholes in that bunch, but we also see in this episode and the previous one that Saviors have their own conflicts. Some of them really didn't want to fight back.
I'm with Morgan on this one. Rick's team actually did try to work with the Saviors and negotiate something better. The Saviors cannot be trusted.
I still don't get why Jesus is trusting the Savior prisoners, after what happened in that encounter with Tara where they almost died. They will never integrate into your group and harmonize well with Alexandria/Hilltop. Maggie was even disgusted seeing them.
Remember when Rick ran into Morgan again, when he turned a small town mainstreet in a giant zombie trap. Him losing his son made him snap, something that returns once in a while, especially after that hand to hand fight with Jesus.
But Morgan is right though, the Saviors will kill again after escaping or set free. I recently saw the 1986 series of Shaka Zulu, where he stated: "Never leave a enemy behind, or it will rise again to fly to your throat".
Morgan is a survivor but feels intense guilt which manifests as extremism. So his personality swings from nutjob, to pacifist, to killer. The writing is consistent.
shareI wasn't aware that Morgan was still ill. His convenient breakdown and disappearance will allow the actor to film his other TV show.
I wonder if those Saviors that Jesus was protecting will live long when Daryl shows up.
It's self induced so it doesn't go away. Morgan doesn't want to hurt people but he wants to live more and it creates an inner conflict that he can't resolve so he swings from one extreme to another. It's been there all along, from the moment he couldn't kill his zombie wife which led to the death of his son.
shareMorgan has been thrown back into his "Clear" phase from Season 3, and right now it's being signalled by all his talk of when people "Turn." Remember that's Clear-era language where he thinks "EVERYONE TURNS." It appears this is the writers' attempt at illustrating someone having a psychotic break. Although he is able to remember who his friends and enemies are right now, Morgan's currently not all there. This issue was foreshadowed last Season when he had that freak out after Benjamin's death, called him Duane while talking with Ezekiel, and suddenly executed Richard in front of the Saviors. This is the character arc Morgan is currently on and I expect it probably won't end until the war does.
BTW in case anyone takes this post the wrong way, I'm only saying that Morgan's not himself right now and not that he's "right" or "wrong."