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My thoughts on super, and why so many people hate it


For me, Super was a refreshing satire of every other superhero movie, and it went about its business by walking an extremely fine line between light comedy, serious drama, and ruthless violence. So many of the bad reviews I've seen for this complain about either the violence or the inconsistent tone/characters. But the way I see it, the whole point of the movie was to juxtapose your typical fantasy superhero movie with what it would actually look like if someone dressed up in a silly costume and tried to fight crime; it wouldn't have flashy fight sequences, there wouldn't be witty banter every 2 seconds with perfectly scripted one-liners, and the people trying to act out their superhero fantasies are probably going to be a) very human and b) insane (which Frank and Boltie both very much are).

If I had to boil the movie down, it is essentially a comedy where the humor comes from violating your expectations of what a typical superhero movie should look like. Frank talks about being special and being chosen, but he is more likely just schizophrenic/manic. Boltie at first comes across as the cute and peppy side-kick, but she turns out to be more of a psychopathic nymphomaniac. When Frank is at his most heroic, storming a well-armed gangster hideout to save his kidnapped girlfriend, the way he systematically and cold-bloodedly shoots all of the wounded men on the ground reminds you that he is actually seriously mentally ill. Even at the end, you expect him to get back together with his girlfriend, but it takes the realistic approach of her getting her life back on track and him staying as a crazy, lonely nut-job (what else would you seriously expect to happen in real life?).

Everything that the characters do, if seen only in the context of the movie itself, is dark, horrible, and depressing. But where it becomes interesting is in the way that it implicitly condemns all of the fantasy violence from X-men, ironman, superman, etc. and brings it all crashing down to earth with a few well-executed scenes. If you miss this point, then I am pretty sure you are definitely going to hate the movie. But I think if you pay attention to all of the scenes that seem out of place or weird and actually think about why it seems so out of place, I think you might realize that it's a deeper movie than it seems.

/end rant

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I think this movie is to smart for most people.
I believe it's a brilliant, artistic masterpiece

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But the way I see it, the whole point of the movie was to juxtapose your typical fantasy superhero movie with what it would actually look like if someone dressed up in a silly costume and tried to fight crime


That's too imaginative a interpretation.

All I saw was a man hallucinating that he was chosen. The superhero aspect was a secondary thing. He knew nothing about superheroes, so much so that he had to ask Boltie about them.

Kickass was a movie about someone fantasizing about being a superhero, this movie is about a schizophrenic man.

the way he systematically and cold-bloodedly shoots all of the wounded men on the ground reminds you that he is actually seriously mentally ill.


I think it's the opposite, that's when he is the most lucid. He shot the bad guys so they wouldn't stand up again and shoot him in the back after he passed by them.

That was a practical concern. It wasn't because of rage or sadism, but just making sure they wouldn't be able to hurt him.

A lot more lucid than Boltie screaming in the open for everyone to hear, for example.

But where it becomes interesting is in the way that it implicitly condemns all of the fantasy violence from X-men


I didn't get it from this movie at all. And apparently a bunch of people didn't either.

The main character motivations are weird. He seems to be mentally ill, and the superhero thing is just a way exercizing his belief that he's chosen. He's also obsessed with his junkie ex-wife.

He is not someone with silly dreams of superheroes, like in Kickass. He is just a crazy man.

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I dunno if this was written on IMDB or not, but anyway:
"That's too imaginative a interpretation."
No it is not, it's a perfectly sound interpretation and was also what I thought pretty early on in the movie, especially when we hear the press clip about an insane criminal hitting people with a wrench.

All it asks is: what would happen if a person really did this, how would he be seen, how would it act out?
As the OP wrote:"the whole point of the movie was to juxtapose your typical fantasy superhero movie with what it would actually look like if someone dressed up in a silly costume and tried to fight crime"

See, he didn't say anything like "what it would actually look like if some comic book fan got inspired by their obsession and dressed up in a silly costume and tried to fight crime".

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Sometimes I get what they're trying to do in a movie but I don't like it. With this one I got what they were trying to do and I liked it.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe

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well written explanation

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