She's concerned about being labeled a parselmouth er .... lycanmouth, but it seems the village is completely ambivalent about the sexually suggestive dancing and roll in the hay. This movie is utter garbage!
Who is to say that the village wasn't tribal in nature that danced that way. And its not like there was a big line of people watching them make out in the hay. Neither of those actions would call witch. Now being able to communicate with a werewolf would call attention to you.
“Who is to say that the village wasn't tribal in nature that danced that way.”
Sure, that could be the case, but not when a church official is in town, Brazen Bull (or elephant in this case) and armed escort in tow. The Holy See frowned on “tribal dances” amongst the faithful.
Ummm, no. A cleric that intense would care very much if the village, with a werewolf active enough to get the church's attention, were involved in pagan festivities. The whole town would regret it. In 1209 during the Albigensian Crusade, the entire populace of Béziers was slaughtered because the Catholic forces couldn’t decide how to tell the true believers from the heretics. The Papal Legate Arnaud-Amaury is said to have famously said “Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet” (Kill them all, God will know His own) and I do believe that Father Solomon would have taken a similar approach to Douchenhorn.
They would only care if they felt the dancing somehow would interfere with him catching the wolf. He didn't care about church policy or even his own religion just in revenge. He simply felt that they were simple stupid people that he could manipulate and push around to achieve his own goals.
He was just as interested in torturing the villagers as catching the wolf. Do you actually think he thought putting a mentally impaired boy in the elephant would achieve anything? He was a sadist, plain and simple. Witchcraft and lycanthropy usually went hand in hand.
Yes I don't remember the boy dancing or doing anything else. So this guys logic wasn't looking at actual Witchcraft but instead the quickest way to get to the Wolf. all he would think of was that the villagers were dumb backwards people celebrating. They all could of simply sat around the fire singing Christian songs and he still would of done the same thing.
You don’t seem to be understanding what I’m saying.
I never said that that was the reason for the boys torture. That was to demonstrate that Solomon was not only interested in the wolf but tortured for the sake of torturing. You are confusing two different points.
My point about the revelries is that, if this were to actually to occur in real life at that time, the sadistic man with total power would have seen a connection between a lascivious pagan dance and the werewolf. In real life, witches were almost always connected to the werewolf. Sometimes the witch was the werewolf and other times the wolf was created by rubbing a magic salve, made by a witch, onto a mans body. Other times, the werewolf was a witches familiar. They are closely related.
So yes, the boy did not do a thing and was tortured mercilously for no reason other than Solomon’s amusment. Therefore, if Solomon saw a widespread pagan practice, something that actually is relevant to the wolf, he would have not have ignored it.
And my point is that he didn't care if they were pagans, or even practiced witchcraft unless it could help him achieve his goal. In history how many people that was killed so called Witches, actually practiced magic?
I am sure he seen the dance as harmless and no power since he knew about the Wolf. He used the idea of Witchcraft as a means to an end to get his revenge. And they was dancing in front of a fire not sacrificing animals or small children. He would see it as pointless but harmless. He just focused on finding the Wolf.
I;m inclined to agree with oslet. The church and priest solomon would not have tolerated the pagan festival. The pegan festival was clearly for the rave culture in the audience.
You lost me at "in real life, witches [...] werewolf." Almost sounds like you believe in witches and werewolves, hahahha.
Also, the movie clearly shows Solomon to spite werewolves, due to the situation with his late wife. At no point does it show he is actually religious, therefore not necessarily caring if the inhabitants are not true believers. Not believing in God is not the same working with the werewolf. That's witchcraft you're thinking of, which is why he had gone on a witchcraft hunt.
I thought it was meant to be an alternative universe so to speak. The musical instruments they used were even more out of place than the dances. The elephant and the black people didn't belong there either (purely chronologically speaking). The housing was unusual, and those spiky trees don't even exist by my knowing. Oh, and werewolves of course.
While very similar, this wasn't a Christianity of our world (or religion even, Jesus was not mentioned in the movie, though we see the cross). One that didn't condemn sexuality.
I thought it was meant to be an alternative universe so to speak. The musical instruments they used were even more out of place than the dances. The elephant and the black people didn't belong there either (purely chronologically speaking). The housing was unusual, and those spiky trees don't even exist by my knowing. Oh, and werewolves of course.
they had a lot of anachronisms in the film. I never got the impression there was intent to depict this as a different universe.
Sexuality seemed to be constrained in the film. We see arranged marriages as well as lack of public displays of sexuality except for the celibration scene which is why the scene was out of place.
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There was a reference to the Romans, and there were Christian symbols as well. So it is our world, but an alternative, fairy tale version of it -- it is no particular country (somewhere in Europe), and no particular time (sometime "in the old days"). Those looking for historical accuracy either in arms, armour or hair-dos, or in terms of religiosity or politics, are missing the mark. The film seeks only to build on the well-known fairy tale, and is not meant to be true to history. In fact, it is meant not to be, because fairy tales take place in the imagination, after all.
I saw this movie taking place somewhere in rural Europe. As for Father Solomon ignoring the tribal dance, this is a historically inaccurate movie set in a fantasy version of our world. Hell, even some of the the lore about Werewolves is inaccurate in this movie as well, so why are we complaining about historical accuracy here?
Well this is an mid-to-eastern European setting, remember? It AMAZES me how often people think that everyone in past was super-puritanical. It was honestly quite the opposite until the mid 1600s in AMERICA. And even then 1/3 to 1/2 of the weddings back then were what you would call "Shotgun"
Well this is an mid-to-eastern European setting, remember? It AMAZES me how often people think that everyone in past was super-puritanical. It was honestly quite the opposite until the mid 1600s in AMERICA. And even then 1/3 to 1/2 of the weddings back then were what you would call "Shotgun"
Did you pull your history, and your numbers out of your ass or something? Marriages happened at a very young age back then so premarrital sex was rare back then. These days marriage is put off for so long that no one seems to hold back.
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