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will there be a sequel for this movie?


just wanted to know if there will be a sequel for this movie..... I Am No. 5 maybe?

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I think there are threads here that say the movie didn't do well enough for a sequel. I like the books, and would like to see sequels.

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According to wiki it had a 50 mil budget, made the budget back in the US and another 90 mil overseas. I don't know how Hollywood thinks, maybe they only count domestic box office.

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http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=iamnumberfour.htm

this website it says its budged is $50 mill and it made in total $144,500,437.

i don't understand why the sequel didn't get a green light.

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sequel would likely cost more unless they had contracted the actors with sequels in mind. Given the budget and how much would have been spent on marketing, it wasn't that big of a break out and unless the contracts were written with sequels in mind, it's not a guarantee the sequel would make a profit.

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Yep. Lot of people. Myself included don't see where all the money goes. I mean.. You can take an educated guess and try to consolidate all the possible expenses and just from a guy with no film budgeting experience I can see how the number here on IMDb or posted elsewhere presented might be the initial estimate, or a ballpark figure given publicly. I bet it excludes: marketing, tons of unforeseen construction, delay, permit, locating, and relocating costs, re-scouting, rush orders for CGI, break-downs, repairs, maintenance, cast maintenance, catering (they brought on a spider specialist with paperwork and tons of legal documents in that Breaking Bad episode where the kid had the spider in the jar, and paid that guy something like 10k!), plus fuel expenses.

This is Hollywood of course they are living the dream right, so limo rides, not Burger King every day, but expensive meals, makeup, wardrobe, bringing in special props, greasing the right palms. And at the end of the day you want to get paid well for your efforts right? Everybody's boss gets paid, and their boss has investors who expect a return on their investment, who paid the other manager indirectly to pay you pay your employees to pay their contractors out and it trickles down to our dollar coming back in at the box office. I'm guessing with the digital revolution and all, movies can only expect to really make their largest chunk of money in the first few months or so, sure you have DVD sales but I hear the domestic theater tickets are the large majority of revenue, and determine the trickle-down income afterwards based on initial success. You need about three times your investment back to even consider a sequel, that has got to be a pretty solid bet that it will make less than the first, with people expecting something new and more exciting.

But I might not know what the heck I'm talking about, if anybody knows a lot about this stuff I would be happy to hear what you have to say.

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I think those special effects cost a lot more than we realize, involving sophisticated computers, programs, and many "illustrators." And these days most movies are crammed with them. I watched "30 Days of Night" (filmed in New Zealand and full of special effects - they virtually created a very realistic frigid Barrow, Alaska - complete with "breath vapor" when it was actually 80 degrees and summer) with the commentary once, and the director talked about how Peter Jackson had created one of the world's best effects houses in NZ to pull off the "Lord of the Rings" movies (which - regardless of how you feel about that whole fantasy/hobbit/middle-earth thing - you have to admit were pretty amazing technical achievements). In any event, they came to a part of the movie that had some stunning effect, and they all talked about how beautiful and realistic it was, and that it was done by WETA (PJ's effects co.). The director said, "They are amazing and can do anything, but VERY expensive . . . but, you get what you pay for."

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This was just on TV (again)... and I was reading through the posts...

I know this is an old post, but out of a gross of $150M worldwide, that leaves about $75M after the theater's cut. Take ~10% for the distributors (domestic and international) you have $67M. Add in A&M costs of only $30M (they knew is was going to be a flop) and you are looking at $37M in net income against a $60M budget... and you have a Box office 'flop'. Not to say that with DVD/BluRay sales, Cable/TV licensing rights they have not made money, but sequels just do not get made with a first film losing that much as sequels tend to earn even less then.

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No, GROSS means what they took in... that isn't what they made. All of their costs and expenses still have to be deducted from that.

Also, that is the ticket RECEIPTS... that also does not account for the small portion that goes to the theaters.


And the budget was about $60 Million, not 50.

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Jesus! I hope not!!! One was more than enough considering the best thing about the movie was the dog.

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I'd like to see The Power of Six and The Rise of Nine be made. I'm reading The Power of Six again and can see it translating okay to screen. It might get a bit jumpy going between John/Sam/Six and Seven (Marina) her Cepan (Adelina) but could also be pulled off quite well. Not to mentioned the developed telekenisis and telepathy that all the Loriens seem to have developed (not talked about in the movie.)

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It really only jumps from Four to Seven. None of it is from Six's perspective till Rise of Nine which will go all over the place lol.

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Then don't bother seeing it. I am sure they won't miss you early bird 5 bucks.

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I would love to see a sequel, but with a better script and director this time around. The movie didn't do much at the box office, but I still think a sequel could be made. They may want to do it on a lower budget this time. Maybe 1/2 what they paid for this movie.

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This movie cost fifty million. In today's Hollywood to do it cheaper it would be with sock puppets and Sony Vegas for video editing.

I am 42 and move the books. Can't wait for more. I think they story is very good and well done. However, I just don't understand why they had to make so many changes to this movie from the book. It is really hard to watch the movie after reading the books.

The movie tanked because the bought the rights to a very popular set of books and then basically pulled a few elements out of them and made up the rest. Spielberg is becoming more and more like George Lucas everyday. Neither of them could make a good movie to save their quickly wrinkling faces.

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Do you use telekinesis?






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the movie made Worldwide: $144,500,437. I think that is successful enough to have a sequel.

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Not neccesarily. 50 million was its budget just to make it, imagine how much money went into marketing it. There were trailers for it many places. That would make the cost go up higher than that, meaning the profit was there, but it wasn't really huge. why would they risk a sequel on a movie that did ok money wise, but many were disappointed in. Its not enough of a guarantee that it would make money.

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If Percy Jackson can get a sequel I can't imagine this one wouldn't.

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Yo-o-o exactly xD

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That and you need to factor in not all the 144mil is profit, a fair chunk of it goes back into the cinemas that sold tickets, etc.

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Actually NO the theaters rarely get a lot for movie tickets.

The deal is usually anywhere from no percent as in Star Wars as they will make a fortune in the popcorn sales to third rate movies where they get maybe as high as 50 percent. AND in very rare cases the deal is no money for one movie in exchange for higher percentage if they take a movie not expected to turn a huge profit.

A great example of that backfiring was MY BIG FAT GREEK WEDDING. That was given almost away in exchange for two movies that were guaranteed to bring in big sales at the popcorn counter (and they did) and Greek Wedding brought in millions for the theaters.

So no they don't get a fair chunk of big budget movies and I would be this one was probably around 25 percent.

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The way I see it the whole thing should've been a TV series instead as the book played out more like episodic television than an epic feature length motion picture. I think a TV series would be a better route, but I don't think there's a huge demand of a sequel to this.

Spider-Man 3. The Dark Knight Rises. Really, what's the difference?

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I love this idea! A TV series would be perfect for these books and it would pave way for so much more of the series plot and character development. We can only hope...

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I just saw the movie and would very much like to see a sequel. Maybe more adult as they seen to have already played the "school" card. Haven't read the books yet.

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I have recently read the books and watched the movie for a second time. The movie was horrible when compared to the book. I think the actors they had play the parts weren't on par [not saying they were bad] and the writing was real bad also. Like Darwinskid this series of books would make a really good TV show; I wish I would have thought of that first.

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That's what I was thinking . . . probably better suited to TV. But, we've already had Smallville, which, let's face it, was a major . . . "inspiration" here (along with numerous other hormone-addled teen soaps - with or without the "super powers" thing). I don't think this clichéd story, which ironically was written (or co-written - under a laughably bad pseudonym) by that Frey dude who got such a spanking from Oprah for fabricating his "bad-boy" memoirs, has the meat to serve up a buffet of sequels. It's hilarious how it's always billed: by Pitticus Whatever (James Frey and _______)! Everybody knows who it is - why not just use you own names!? LOL! Although . . . I haven't read the books, and apparently they've been pretty successful at setting THEM up as a "series." It did seem like a substantial portion of the narrative was left out here (I can think of 20 unanswered questions off the top of my head) - obviously a sequel set-up. But if they DO try this again, they need to find a better screenwriter - one who can meld the puppy-love romance (for the teen girls), the action (for the guys - I wasn't as impressed with the blur of action at the end - it was kind of like one of those Transformers movies: after 10 minutes of non-stop explosions, cars, people, and buildings flying through the air, and laser lights and sparks going every which way, you just get a headache and stop paying attention), and the sci-fi (for the Trekkies).
On the positive side, the Pettyfer guy is/was obviously the flavor-of-the-month at the time, and while he's adequate at brooding and being pretty, I didn't sense enough charisma to carry a movie - let alone a series. But thank GOD he wasn't a pale, fanged, shirtless pretty-boy vampire or werewolf. I think we've all seen enough of that for several lifetimes. Now, Dianna Agron, on the other hand, was quietly sexy - VERY different from what you'd expect from a high school chick in a movie like this. Her character seemed a few years ahead of her age. No wonder his chest starts beating: he wants to impress her. And I don't blame him. I would like to see more of her. And I thought the nerdy guy was fine . . . not really necessary, but not distracting, either. (And no, there was no "homoerotic vibe" there . . . if anything, the homoerotic vibe came from the quarterback/sheriff's son . . . but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar).
On another topic: the Director of Photography here was Guillermo del Toro's Oscar-winning (Pan's Labyrinth - which, if you haven't seen - stream it RIGHT NOW) DP Guillermo Navarro, and I would have never guessed. I didn't notice his usually beautiful photography adding anything here.

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I would love a sequel. There's a lot of improvement for an action/drama like this, but I found it interesting and would like to see what happens next.

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Sadly nope. Even the authors expressed discontent after the movie bombed at the box office saying "it could've been something more"

A ship sank at the end of the movie Titanic!

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James Frey "expressed discontent"(?!?) After his very public spanking by Oprah and many others for making up half of his "bad boy" memoirs, he should be on his knees thanking . . . whoever he thanks . . . that he's getting paid for writing.
But . . . yes, it could have been more. Spielberg obviously didn't personally oversee this one.

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Happily, they won't have a sequel to this movie. Based on the books, the second should have been titled The Power of Six. The story line in the movie was off base from the book. They changed the legacies of the characters, someone asked that question later in this thread. also, later in this thread, Darwinskid mentioned this should have been a TV show. With the next book slated to come out soon, I think someone should get this made into a TV series. In the second and third books, there is a lot of story telling from other characters that would just make a movie too difficult.

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I haven't read the books - what happened to Number Five? Did I miss something in the movie? They just skipped from Four to Six (even Leonard Maltin got it wrong - he talks about "the appearance of 'brusquely cynical' Number Five in the third act").

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number 5 shows,up later in the books so that character would not be in this movie.....the reason #6 shows up is because she was on her own looking for the rest (and the second book is about her ) ....she finds John (#4) first because he screwed up and was in the news and online. it's really too bad they didn't follow the book a little better , there is so much action in the books !! I read the books after I saw the movie and was surprised how good they were .....it's amazing how some Y.A. books do well as movies and some not so much ,I know it's not easy getting a book into 1-1/2 - 2 hr film but if you're not going to do it right ,don't do it at all ...sorry I digressed

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how a movie really makes money

take any movie that IMDb says cost 100 million to make

Cost 100m
Actor salary may or may not be included
Marketing cost, aproxmently the same cost of what it takes to make the movie

Money made from the theater, any where from 100% to 20%, this can range from 100% the first week to 80% the second week,

so if the movie made 200 million domestic it really make 100m to the studios
by calling it half, international sales or world wide may include DVD sales and other media

DVD sales to a rental company can be a buck or more per rental
streaming can be the same or there about

in order to make a movie profitable, a movie must make 4 times it production budget, so a 100m movie should make 400 to be profitable, this is my opinion from the research i have seen

here is a nice movie budget to look at
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab99/kameljoe21/4774091502_d4084b2720_b.jpg

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Happily, they won't have a sequel to this movie.


Why would you be happy about this? So you don't like a movie? Great. You DEFINITELY don't have to watch a sequel.

Are you just so mean spirited that it makes you "happy" that people whom DID like the movie and would like a sequel won't be able to watch one?

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