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Why is it wrong for Hilly to have rules for her own employees?


I disagree with Hilly's Home Sanitation Bill that would require the members of the community with maids to have separate bathrooms for them, however, I don't see a problem with her making her own rules about the maids she hires.

If she doesn't want them using her bathroom, I think as an employer she has the right to tell the people she hires to use a different facility. Minnie has the choice of working for Hilly or finding someone else to work for (prior to the terrible awful). IF she didn't like not being able to use the Holbrook restroom, she could have left.

Hilly's a bitch and awful person, but she should be able to make the rules in her own house.

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She was insulting and demeaning about it. She was treating the black maids as subhuman. She also was inflexible and expected her maid to go outside to the other restroom with a storm so bad it was flooding and there were tornadoes. Hilly's own mom thought she was being unreasonable.
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Those substandard restrooms did not even have a small sink for a maid to wash her hands, I notice. Watching the movie right now.

Also, Hilly was the leader of the other white women in that area. If a maid stood up to her, Hilly would make sure she was unable to get another job, which is what she did.

Now, do you really think Hilly would have had a problem if a white maid used her main bathroom? I think not. I've cleaned houses before and no-one ever told me what bathroom I could use, if I needed to go.

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If she doesn't want them using her bathroom, I think as an employer she has the right to tell the people she hires to use a different facility.


This is exactly why we have civil rights laws in America. An employers right's only go so far. Your employee has the right to go to the bathroom.

I'll take Punctuality

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She's not saying she can't, she's saying she has to use a particular bathroom. If it's my house and I have things set up a certain way, I don't see why it's an issue.

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If I remember the film correctly, Hilly didn't want Milly to use any of her indoor bathrooms. She wanted her to go outside.

If you were to say that Afro-American employees can't use restrooms in your house, while working in your house, you can be sued for violating human rights, and rightly so.

I'll take Punctuality

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She didn't want her to squat in the yard, she had an outhouse or an outdoor bathroom like she wanted the other women to get.

I don't think it's inhumane to have separate bathrooms for yourself and employees if aren't comfortable with other people using your facilities.

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I don't think it's inhumane to have separate bathrooms for yourself and employees if aren't comfortable with other people using your facilities.


You can't do it by race, nor can you make your employees use outhouses. The separate outdoor bathroom, with no sink, in 100 degree heat is not acceptable.

There is absolutely no justification for it.

I don't think you are recalling the scene correctly. Hilly was forcing Millie to go outside in the middle of a powerful storm. Its indefensible.

I'll take Punctuality

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Hilly was the ultimate negrophobic jerk.

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No justification is needed. It is her home, her rules. She is entitled to whatever rules she deems fit.

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And we the audience are entitled to see her as a racist *beep* And she is entitled to a piece of sh*t pie.

You do realize the US government has enacted civil rights and work place safety legislation to address situations like this? What Hilly did would be illegal today.

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Legality and morality are separate things. You would think that I shouldn't have to explain this, considering the film in question.

You believe in following the Jim Crow laws?

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?? Do you comprehend my post?

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Yes, but apparently you do not comprehend mine.

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@chas437 -
"What Hilly did would be illegal today"
What, exactly, are you referring to?

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There are regulations for work place safety and hygiene. An outdoor restroom (outhouse) in the deep south wouldn't cut it.

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@chas437

I'm not sure of your point. There are an awful lot of things that were commonplace in the past that would be against the law today. For instance, seat belts.
And there are an awful lot of outhouses in use today. Ever been to a state park or a campground? Ever heard of a porta-potty? Very common.
It's a little silly to criticize anything in the past because it doesn't meet the standards in place today.

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You do realize that the reason she wanted the separate bathrooms is cuz back then idiot white ppl thought black ppl carried diseases

I don't understand how u don't see the problem with her wanting the outside bathroom

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And yet they had no problem with the maids kissing their children. It made no sense.

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Or fixing their food, yeah it made no sense and was such a contradiction.

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Yeah, but she's saying it because she believes them to be inferior. She wants the people who handle her kids and cook her meals and keep her house all day to use what is basically an outhouse, sometimes in inclement weather, because she hates the idea of sharing a toilet with the help. It's supremacist thinking. Imagine if at your job, your boss wanted you to use an entirely different bathroom than everyone else. It's hard for me to understand why the op doesnt think that was anything but racism/discrimination, albeit not unusal for the times.

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Because she wasn't just designating a particular bathroom she wanted her employees to use. It's perfectly reasonable to ask someone to use, say for example, the bathroom in the hall instead of the one in your master suite. However, she was treating her maid like some kind of disease ridden animal. She insisted Minnie, who had to go so badly that she was doing the potty dance, go outside during a dangerous storm, to use a toilet in a half finished room that didn't even have a sink so that her own rosy asscheeks never had to sit on the same toilet seat as her black maid. And then she expected the maids to be grateful about having their own bathrooms! THAT is wrong! And stupid since that same "disease ridden maids" were preparing the food, doing the laundry and taking care of the children.

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Working under and in dangerous conditions isn't something people should have to be thankful for. And since the maids were supposed to handle/prepare the food, clean the children....etc it would have made sense for them to wash their hands if Hilly were so concerned about health and disease prevention measures.

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Minnie worked for Mrs. Walters, Hilly's mother, before Hilly moved her mother in with her and got rid of her previous maid. I think Minnie only stayed for Mrs. Walters, even if it meant putting up with her daughter. Hilly hired her, because she is a highly sought-after cook. The bathroom incident was the straw that broke the camel's back.

"It is rare for people to be asked the question which puts them squarely in front of themselves."

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I've been to weddings that were held at private homes, where they would place portable outhouses around the outside, to prevent wedding guests from traipsing in and out of the house to use the facilities. This I can understand since a lot of the time, the people hosting the wedding, are not going to be totally familiar with EVERY attendee, and may be uncomfortable with strangers in their home.

What Hilly did, was totally unreasonable and unrealistic.

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I make my contractors use my guest bathroom. I have too many intimate things in my bathroom.

My guest bath is nicely appointed.



"A stitch in time, saves your embarrassment." (RIP Ms. Penny LoBello)

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I hate parties like that. If you fear guests using your bathrooms, don't have a party!
I've held parties in my home throughout the years. I simply remove personal items and all from the bathrooms. No big deal!

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and that was for ALL the guests not a particular race/ethnicity. Being a wedding guest is not a civil rights category. Being a wedding guest is not a protected class.

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@cocacolaistherealthing
"I don't see a problem with her making her own rules about the maids she hires".

There is nothing wrong with it.Employees have separate facilities. When was the last time you walked into the restroom at a fine restaurant and saw the Executive Chef taking a dump?

It's just something more to cry about.

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I totally understand what you're saying. Anyone working in the service industry is below the well heeled and elite. How dare they void themselves in the vicinity of respectable people..the nerve!

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1) It was a nuisance and impractical. Using a separate toilet would be fine, but putting it outside so the maid would have to go out into a tornado, which killed 18 people, is ridiculous.

2) It was unhygienic. There was nowhere to wash your hands; the maids were working with the children and cooking food.

3) It wasn't done for a good reason. It was done to be demeaning to black people. That stops it from being an acceptable way for an employer to behave and instead becomes an act of bullying, which is unacceptable even if you are an employer or it's your own home.

If Hillary had wanted a separate toilet for the maids, but was willing to let her use the in-house toilet in extreme cases, that wouldn't have been so bad. Or, if the toilet had been in the house with a sink, even better. Most of all, if she had made her decision based out of genuine health concerns, it'd be ignorant, but understandable. However, considering the toilets were gross, and she was happy to eat whatever her maids made for her, and her general behaviour, the toilet issue was a power-play and nothing more.

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Thanks you! Somebody gets it! It's fine if you want your employees to use a separate bathroom in the house, but what Hilly wanted is ridiculous. Some people in this thread have glossed over that.

"It is rare for people to be asked the question which puts them squarely in front of themselves."

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You have to remember, though, that Minnie was Hilly's MOTHER'S maid, and when Hilly had her mother come live with her, she brought Minnie along because Hilly had just fired another maid (or the maid had run off, can't remember). While it isn't mentioned in the movie, it sure seems as if Hilly's mother [the Sissy Spacek character] was a lot less rigid when it came to rules for her maids, and I'm sure Minie had used any bathroom she needed to at Mrs Walters {name?] house.

Hilly might be able to make her own rules in her own house, but the reason she was pushing for everyone to do it was she simply did not want to visit any of her friends' houses and have to use a toilet that perhaps one of the Negro maids had used. And I use the word "Negro" because it was the term of the times.

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