Okay well before he hangs himself he sees the mother and child at his door, then he seems to be regretting but then say "same rules apply" and hang himself. Someone explain this? Sorry if i'm missing something obvious, I thought they would end it before he said that.
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He didn't go through with it. He decided to go on with the woman and her kid. I saw it last week, and I'm actually struggling to remember it exactly. He's on the chair; they come to the door; he wobbles at first; then I know he changed his mind, but then he winks, and says "same/usual rules apply." I think that's how it ends.
Hope this helps.
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Haven't seen the film, but loved the book. Are you saying he does go through with it after the "same rules apply" bit? Or does he decide against it?
Either way, cannae *beep* wait for this film to play in the States.
It's ambiguous, but I would say he didn't, hence, the wink. I was at the premiere for the mag I work for, and another critic next to me, at the end, kept muttering "Fux Ache, Fux Ache..." and kinda out me off, but, yeah, I'd say he didn't do it.
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Just saw it and he 100% kicks the chair away. There's very little ambiguity in my opinion.
shareI agree. In fact, there is even a brief moment with the camera from behind where you see him hanging.
My understanding is that when they approach the door, in his delusional state he thinks it is his wife and daughter and wants to live. Then when they leave, he kicks the chair and commits suicide.
Pretty clear imo.
I remember the book having a pretty graphic description of the experience of hanging himself. In the film, it's not certain whether he goes through with it. I like this ending - that will he/won't he uncertainty is something that film can do and books can't.
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Just watched the film. He 100% kicks the chair away.
shareYeah, it even shows him hanging. It's really fast, but its there: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/lomawood/Filth20131080pBluRayx264YIFYmp4_snapshot_013151_20140709_012945_zpse48450a8.jpg
shareThe film is really good but doesnae match up to the book. As far as the ending goes, he definitely went through with it, it's obvious that he kicks the chair away and you hear him fall. It has also been confirmed by McAvoy. I actually liked the ending to the film, it wasn't as brutal as the book ending but then the film was going for a slightly different style anyway, making the humour slightly less subtle.
shareinteresting. my take was that he had a change of heart(for one of two reasons. 1. he thought it was his wife & kid or 2. he knew it was that woman & her kid). Just as he changed his mind, he'd leaned too far & the chair slips (he knows it's going to happen, so he winks & says same rules apply. i.e. just my luck)
shareI saw it today and I'm certain he kicks the chair away. Killing himself.
shareThe last thing I remember, is him winking at the camera, saying "Same rules apply." I honestly can't picture him doing that. If you just saw it, then it's clearer in your head, and I'd take your word for it.
Any book readers know the ending?
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shareI just saw it and he definitely kicks the chair away in a really quick 1 seconds cut, then the screen cuts to the title 'Filth'
shareHe sees them at the door and has a change of heart, then has a wee struggle before losing the chair and his neck snaps/ cut to credits
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"He sees them at the door and has a change of heart, then has a wee struggle before losing the chair and his neck snaps/ cut to credits "
He doesn't have a change of heart. When he sees/hears them at the door he stops for two seconds then says "same rules apply" and then kills himself by getting rid of the chair. It was CLEARLY intentional.
I interpreted the "same rules apply" thing as if he gives it a shot with this new woman he'll just mess that up as well so why bother. He hasn't really changed as a person, he's just come to a realization.
I would add one thing:
He doesn't have a change of heart. When he sees/hears them at the door he stops for two seconds
In the book he does do it, thinking it's only his wife coming to the door, but his daughter sees him first. Kinda glad they changed it a bit, because I was devastated by the ending to the book.
shareHe hangs himself. He *beep* out the worm and the worm says, "now the host is gone and I cannot sustain this any longer. I cannot sustain life out of the hosts body"
share"I cannot sustain life out of the hosts body" lol
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I am watching the DVD right now. He doesn't actually mean to go through it. He is wabbling on the chair when the Mother and little girl at at the door. Seemed he couldn't get it so come back down (Just assuming). He looks at the camera and says "Same Rules Apply" starts to laugh and a camera from behind shows the chair breaking hanging him.
shareThis. I saw it for the second time today
shareHe does kill himself.
He sees them at the door and begins to doubt his decision, they turn and walk away (shadows get smaller and disappear) and he says 'Same rules apply.', winks and kicks the chair away. It then cuts to the credits because the whole film is from his POV. He's dead; it's finished.
I was always a little confused by the ending but I think that you've got it right. He decided that the games must go on and that he wouldn't kill himself. I think, however, that the chair broke, and he was hung anyway. Probably for the best.
shareI wonder if it was a reference to what the guy who got the job said, and he just can't stand not getting the job. He also means 'no change from my previous reasoning', even if he could make a go of things with the woman, he isn't changing things.
I think he kicks the chair away or it slips/breaks - sure he died/would die at the end!
The chair broke, and I heartlessly laughed.
Also, what you said makes a lot more sense to why he said it. Now it makes it even funnier lol.
He definitely rocks the chair hard enough forward that it would fall and he'll die...for sure.
It's not ambiguous at all, it definitely shows that he's hanging himself.
He hesitates as they come to the door, then their shadows disappear and he says "same rules apply" and kicks/rocks the chair forward and hangs himself.
I didn't see anything ambiguous either. He kills himself for sure. The way the body drops...
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He hesitated a bit when he saw Mary and her son at the door, but when they left he said "same rules apply" and kicked the chair and hence killed himself.
"Same rules apply" was used many times in the movie (and the book). I have not yet read the book but I think he meant that loser got to be eliminated. This is the rules apply to everybody, including himself. And he failed hard in this promotion, moreover his secrets were known by Ray who would in the future used it against him if necessary. So in Bruce's book, he lost the game hence death would be the only solution.
He doesn't kick the chair away, the chair snaps.
shareWhat? He definitely kicks the chair away. It was intentional, hence his wink and line.
shareThat's what I saw too. The chair snapped
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I saw the leg snap off as well. I took it to be a bit of black humour. As soon as he reconsidered, the chair broke and he hung anyway.
shareI came to this board with the same question as the original poster. I don't think the OP had any question about whether Macavoy's charcter deliberately killed himself - there seemed to be little ambiguity there. What I'm confused about was his meaning of "same rules apply"....which one poster attributed to him being a loser and would continue to be one with this woman...
Any how...I also don't quite understand the ending. To be it was unambiguous that he definitely killed himself- with a bit of glee even. but why? after the potential of something new with this woman and her kid? and with such a maniacal glee even...
and yes, fantastic performance by McAvoy. didn't know he had it in him..!
The only thing that bugs me:
That's not a fall that would snap his neck, so the only way he'd die is by slow strangulation. - But his hands weren't tied, & he was a strong guy & could easily just grab the scarf and pull himself up, long enough to call for help.
Seems like an incredibly stupid way to try to kill yourself. Might as well just put a plastic bag over your head.
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shareI think he intended to kill himself but it's a frighten hand knit scarf, that sucker is going to stretch and his feet are going to come to the ground.
shareAt the end of the novel *SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT READ THE NOVEL*
I read it years ago, but this is what I remember:
Bruce's fate is quite clear. Bruce's ex wife has told him she is going to stop by. In a act of despair over his current situation and open act of hatred for his ex, he puts a note on himself that says, "You made me do this" or something like that before he hangs himself (intentionally).
The horrible part of it is, that its not his wife who walks in first, but his young daughter who the wife has brought by. Bruce has already stepped off the chair just as his daughter walks in to see the note and her father.
Devestating.
However, if you go to the wikipedia page regarding the film; it says that the chair breaks under him. The Same Rules Apply could mean a myriad of things. In the film I think it means: "do whatever you want to get what you want" - and is about to give life another shot when his chair breaks underneath him. Also devestating.
Am I bad for having a little chuckle after he smiles and says same rules apply then the chair breaks under him.
Had a dark comical moment to it
I think Bruce clearly kills himself at the end. Here's what McAvoy said about the ending:
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'There was a lot of conversation at one point about not killing Bruce and about doing a version where Bruce made it or there was hope that he would make it. I got really annoyed about that. For me you are tampering with one of the key structures in storytelling. It was just key to that structure that he has to get it. But what was really fun is that in the last seven minutes of the movie we try to make the audience sympathise with him. We try to make them feel that he was a good guy once and he could find love. But if we had saved him after that I would have hated the film. To try and make the audience feel sympathy for him only to remind them that he has to die was fun for me....I mean his final line “The same rules apply” actually applies to the fact that he’s wagging his finger at the audience. “You can’t *beep* like me and shame on you for doing so.” Bruce is definitely the kind of person that would say, “I feel sorry for the criminal but you’ve still got to do the time.” There’s no sort of get out clause, even if you are a nice criminal. You’ve done it and you’re going down. I think that is why he’s damned from the beginning because he judges himself and he hates himself, and he said that in the end.'
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Same Rules Apply-
we did the things we have done, and now we must be done, by the way things were.
erm-- So he went through the wash and got ejected by his wife/child. While immediately following, found a new wife/child.
So- 8 years of life with first wife, to first child, of being good at his job.
To being reborn, through all the reckless *beep* awakening to the new wife/child.
The lady goes on from her interest in him, as she got from losing her guy, to him saving the guy, to her moving on, in good quality again, from the same circumstance.
"oh how sweet he saved her from his traumatic living" - BY *beep* HANG HIMSELF while they are at the door..
-queue his face.
you *beep* elitist
Sorry, everybody who thinks he does it...
... but all you need to do is watch it to see the chair leg break. Go frame by frame if that helps, but accept the truth of your eyes.
The chair clearly breaks - so whether the chair breaks or he kicks it out from under himself, the effect is the same - so same rules apply.
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