MovieChat Forums > Justified: City Primeval (2023) Discussion > Enjoying it, but don't read detailed and...

Enjoying it, but don't read detailed and critical reviews because.....(SPOILERS, blacked out)..


if you do, they will dampen the spirits and show why it is not as good as the series, and for good reasons....

For example, how the show has lost its touch of care when it comes to authenticity and of those involved in the past. To illustrate - in the first episode, the judge throws out charges not even under his jurisdiction (they occurred in Florida and the judge would have had no standing to drop them). Then, some of the dialog is lacking and later the lazy writers resort to the villain inciting a beatdown, which will of course come back to haunt Raylan. Some of these critics are adding Elmore Leonard would have done the "work" to get things more accurate and with more sparkling dialog.

Still, even with complaints, it is still starting out well and hitting most of the right notes, even if many are over used cliches and typical program tropes.

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It also suffers from poor casting. Raylan's daughter just looks too old and then you realize why an actress that is too old for the role got it... she is Olyphant's real life daughter. So nepo casting is to blame for that mistake.

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Sadly, this also indicates the overuse of one more cliche - the seemingly precocious teen with little common sense that finds trouble and needs bailing out.

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True... but given I've only watched 2 episodes I'm not sure just how they going to use her as the teen cliche, although at this point the odds are pretty high she is going to be very stupid, and ignore everything she is told just to move the story along.

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& that's exactly what happened at the end of EP 2

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Does the villian know Raylan or not? I was confused if this Clement? guy was the same white guy sitting in the lawyers office when Raylan went in. He mentioned nothing about the times at Glenco like he did at the hotel restaurant.

I'm happy Justified is back and seeing Raylan get out of life threatening situations right at the start of the show. I kept wondering if the black guy was the one Raylan once gave back his hamburgers he threw out his car window in an episode towards the later years.

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No, Clement did not know Givens beforehand. He just did a lot of research to get under his skin. He was the same guy in the attorney's office.

One of my newer favorite actors is Boyd Holbrook. I just wish he would pick more roles that are not villains - I think he is headed toward being typecast as a villain.

But like you, I'm happy Justified is back and am hoping for additional seasons. Olyphant was born for this role and I enjoy watching him chew up the scenes.

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Nothing ruins a show more than bad writing. First and last time watching it.

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If you have not, I would suggest starting from the start. The previous run was just excellent. Especially Season 2. I think that those giving critical reviews are dialing down too much into the minutiae instead of seeing this as just a fictional tv show (and when I type "critical" I don't mean just reviews filled with criticisms, but those reviews that really dig deep into a program).

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Despite casting some great actors the show is a dud.

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that whole courtroom scene seemed way over the top with every character using profanity and mugging at each other after almost every dialogue exchange,

through both episodes i kept asking myself why the hell his daughter has to be in the show (because she's annoying as hell and squeaks instead of talks), and then i get the answer when she gets a phone call back at the hotel and it turns into every other cheap cop show where the hero has to rescue a loved one in peril (or similar),

it's also obnoxious how this small circle of characters are so conveniently kept in direct interaction with each other - the judge requests Raylan for his own investigation, the lawyer for Raylan's case is also the lawyer for Boyd H, & also the lawyer of Paul Calderon, Raylan sees her randomly at a bar, the judge's white girl is an informant for the cops that Raylan was on a raid with earlier in the day, etc.

so far it just seems like a dumber version of the original show set in the city

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Yep, the judge seas like some kind of gangster rapper holding well, court and Raylans daughter isn't aware to shut up in court? She's old enough to be left outside.

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I'm wondering what point of bringing this back was. There isn't any chemistry cast wide and there doesn't seem to be any purpose for the show.

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Lazy people at FX is the answer. They had two options, come up with a new idea or rehash one that was popular in the past. They picked the rehash and even worse just assumed that everyone would watch it that watched the first one so they spent less on the writing of it which shows in spades. The court room scene looks like it was written by a jr high kid that has no clue how courts actually operate.

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I see many people are making the same mistake I did - instead of just sitting back and enjoying this character being portrayed again, too many are taking a deep dive into the critical arena.

My point is - viewing the program from differing perspectives changes how the show is perceived. If one watches it as if it is a True Crime documentary reenactment full of facts, then the show will be disliked. But, if one sits back and watches it for pure entertainment, then the show is more likely to be enjoyed.

For example, take the dog and man up the tree scene. Now, recall, Givens had just been spanked big time in a courtroom for constitutional issues and then stands by while a police officer uses a police dog to torture a suspect into revealing information that would be most likely thrown out in court for constitutional reasons ("fruits of the poisonous tree" doctrine). Now, in the real world, one would think he would have stopped that right from the start. But, it made good entertaining drama if seen through the eyes of mere entertainment.

What I'm getting at is, try enjoying the program for just entertainment because whether one does or does not, what is being aired is still in the top tier of what is being offered nowadays.

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I was confused about the beginning when Raylan asked the two guys he arrested to "scratch is back and he would scratch theirs." The only thing I can think of was that he needed an official reason to drive up to Detroit. But why? That is where he was working.

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I took it to mean that if they didn't complain about him taking his daughter to the camp she was supposed to attend, he would also buy them something to eat and drink.

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