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Winter's Bone and Justified; 'Country Noir', the rural criminality genre


This movie and the excellent TV Series Justified are kindred in spirit and they're both great. They form a very rare genre of rural crime movies I think, I can't name that many of the top of my head (Iowa, The Lookout, Fargo, and that's it) Can anyone think of movies or TV shows that are similar?

I really like that atmosphere it makes me think of where my family comes from (the "Montagne Noire" i.e. Black Mountain in the South West of France) a hills and valleys rural area where after WWII a lot of the Maquisards (Resistance fighters that lived in the forest, and survived through stealing and black market) kept their outlaw lifestyle even long after the krauts were gone (stealing farming and masonry equipment, gas and diesel trafficking, smuggling Andorran smokes and booze). Add the fact that everybody there has guns, like in a lot of rural areas everywhere in countries without a big gun problem like the US, you have more guns in the countryside than in the towns, save the really bad neighborhoods.
And now they have a big growing drug problem with the Free Parties scene (Techno parties in the middle of nowhere so the cops can't find them, so backwoods areas became flooded with city kids and their drugs), the proximity of Toulouse and Béziers (very criminal cities, the latter being my hometown and is the capital of bad quality heroin named after the town) and Spain's enormous heroin and cocaine trades, so you have little towns lost in the forest like Revel with more than half of their youth on drugs. The only blessing is that meth hasn't really took off in France, there is some but not that much and the labs are in Russia or something.
And you can bet your a$$ that that clanic, blood-feudy and gossipy crap is there, with people watching each other all the time, any swinging d1ck you cross path with knows exactly who you are and who is your family (if he's not family himself), you have neighbors dispute that date from a century ago, people who snitch hidden pot grow-ops to the cops just because they don't like your family and an ever present number of "hunting accidents". My people (the occitans) in all their splendor.

All that to say that I can empathize more with that kind of stories than being a cop in the NYPD for example, so if you know crime movies located in places as such (Kentucky, Appalachians, Ozarks, etc., and even outside the USA, rural Britain is interesting too - if you haven't seen Dead Man's Shoes I urge you to do it) please post them, and thank you.

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From the top of my head, I can think of the TV series Twin Peaks, Christopher Nolans remake of Insomnia, and the Coen brothers remake of Ladykillers.

Ladykillers tells the tale of a band of thieves trying to rob a casinoboat in Mississipi, and like Fargo it was made by the Coen brothers. I think most Coen brothers film propably count, like No Country for Old Men.

Insomnia is about two Los Angeles homicide detectives (Al Pacino and Hillary Swank) who are dispatched to a northern town where the sun doesn't set to investigate the methodical murder of a local teen.

Twin Peaks focuses on FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper, who travels to the small northern town of Twin Peaks, to investigate the murder of a local teenager Laura Palmer (played by Sheryl Lee, who also has a small part in Winter's Bone) A movie got also made from the series, called Fire Walk with Me

Thelma & Louise: Maybe? Kind of? It's a crime movie set in Arkansas.

The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada: Tommy Lee Jones wants to bury his friend who got shot into his hometown in mexico.

There are also dozens of horror movies set in rural areas, like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.


"Be it a grain of sand or rock, in water they sink as the same."

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I'm surprised Twin Peaks is the only David Lynch mention. To me he's the king of rural noir, although often merges with surrealism.

The most obvious being 'Blue Velvet'- Which is still, arguably, the quintessential eccentric small town murder mystery movie.

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Check out these movies:

One False Move (1992) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102592/

Red Rock West (1993) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105226/

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Speaking of rural France, or at least a French-speaking and rural part of Belgium, "Calvaire" certainly has creepy rural atmosphere and people.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407621/combined

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Yes, if you have been in The Ardennes after having watched that movie, you'd crap yourself! It's deep and dark and the people there are weird... But I think that all northerners are weird so maybe I'm not the best judge.

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Next of Kin

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You absolutely MUST watch Sam Raimi's "A Simple Plan" if you liked The Lookout or something like Fargo. In fact the Coen's helped with some of the lighting on that film.

Also if you liked Winter's Bone, I'd say No Country For Old Men is another absolute must.


Others: Oliver Stone's U Turn would be right up your ally. Definitely a rural noir. Has a terrific cast as well. Lots of craziness going on, in the vein of something like Red Rock West. Also I recommend Body Heat with William Hurt.

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Another great "rural noire" is James Foley's "At Close Range," (1986) starring Sean and Chris Penn and Christopher Walken. Crime drama set against the unlikely backdrop of bucolic southeastern Pennsylvania. Engaging and chilling.

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not really a rural noir, but it is a documentary with people that are really this *beep* crazy. it''s called the "the Wild and Wonderful Whites." there are a lot of similarities, almost to the point where im positive they're an inspiration on both, but Justified more.

the main "white" is named jessup(winters bone), they're Appalachian-Americans(read: hillbillys) through and through, and the main reason the family is famous in the first place is because the father of jessup was a famous dancer who's nickname was "Heinz 57" because he claimed he knew 57 dances that no one else did(Justified Season 2). its a pretty fun watch and its on netflix instant(last i knew)

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There have been a couple of mentions for Coen brothers movies, and yet nobody mentioned their first effort Blood Simple which is clearly part of this sub genre.

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Yes, the country noirs are more relatable to me than the big city noirs. Your family background is interesting -- sounds like a book is in there.

I'd also recommend "Deliverance," the James Dickey short story made fabulous movie, starring Burt Reynolds, Jon Voigt, Ned Beatty, Ronny Cox, and some freakshow-type locals of the North Georgia mountains. Flannery O'Connor's short stories are absolutely full of rural noir.

Jerzy Kosinski's Painted Bird has always struck me as the ultimate rural noir. It demolishes any lingering notions of the noble peasant.

Another bit of that can be seen in "Zorba the Greek," where the village crones await the Russian lady's final breath, then pick her house clean, as well as the villagers' stoning of Irene Pappas' character.

Seems like "Cape Fear" would qualify and that one throws religion into the mix. Then Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian -- my god!

But, the most disturbing version I've seen lately is the movie version of the Jim Thompson story, "The Killer Inside Me."

What I got from your post is the really dark, sinister, sociopathic quality of "Montagne Noire." The above contain that quality.

One more recommendation -- The Man Who Wanted to Save the World. This is a nonfiction account of a professional Texas disaster specialist who had quite the brilliant career as a bringer of order from the chaos of war, weather, famine. When he went to Chechnya, however, he met his match, and did not survive it. So, the Caucasus Mtns. might be part of the geography you're thinking about.

Jeezus -- A good bit of Afghanistan seems to qualify, to say nothing of the Khyber Pass -- which reminds me of "Traffik," the Brit miniseries.

As someone who grew up around rural noirs, I, too, am familiar with the ruthlessness and the wit. These characters are not dumb, but are, in fact, survivors. They're armed and frightening, at least to me.

In True Crime, there is the Starkweather crime spree, Bonnie and Clyde, etc.

This "Country Noir" genre seems to be broad and deep -- a wonderful combo of wit and sin.

Yep, it's a genre I've paid attention to.

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What I got from your post is the really dark, sinister, sociopathic quality of "Montagne Noire." The above contain that quality.


It's not just that, it's also a place where I lived amazing moments, and the people there might be different but they have heart, they look out after one another, unemployment is raging (in France poverty is worse in rural areas) but they manage, they help each other out and their parties are awesome, they love to drink and to make music, they have that poetic wit about them that must come from the latin/celt spirit of our ancestors.

It's a place where you can breathe clean air and sleep soundly. That's that duality that makes it so heartbreaking, like Raylan Givens said in Justified : "In different circumstances, a lot of people could have been happy there". They are kinda happy in the Montagne Noire, in their misery they are still happy. It's more than I can say for big city people.

It was always a place of resistance, the Romans were scared to go there and face the local long black haired Celtic tribes who painted themselves with ashes (The Volcae), a lot of Cathars took refuge there during the Albigensian Crusade and people from there blew up a good amount of German troops.

My grandfather (a stone mason) pushed my dad to get out of it though, sent him to engineering school whereas my dad wanted to be a mason just like him, so I grew up in Béziers, a city on the Mediterranean coast (which has it's own problems), not in the middle of it like my cousins so I'm not the best guy to write about it.

My "kin" like they say, is from there :

http://g.co/maps/ep85j

This guy took some pretty pictures of sights in the surrounding area :

http://www.panoramio.com/user/5071792

Not so pretty sights of Montagne Noire's youth lifestyle :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xf81u4_teuf-ratkore-montagne-noire_mu sic

I know I'm OT a lot, but I love talking about this place, and it's a rather unknown part of France (foreigners often think the South is just the Riviera with sun and models)

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Wow -- I really knew nothing about this part of France. I've studied French language, learned about Normandy via genealogy, learned about the bloodbaths of the world wars, etc., but knew nothing about the Montagne Noire; I thought you had come up with the term. I really appreciate the links. I went to all of them.

Makes me think of Scotland -- place of resistance, poor, beyond reach of Romans, love to drink and make music. And certainly beats the city life. Same can be said of the American south.

Your passions for the place come across beautifully and inspire.





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I'd recommend "Shotgun Stories" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0952682/ and "River's Edge" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091860/.

"In a time of universal deceit,
telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
George Orwell

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I don't know if it qualifies as "similar" to "Justified" and "Winter's Bone" but I'd recommend "Southern Comfort" with Keith Carradine, Powers Boothe and Fred Ward, and directed by Walter Hill. It's a movie that I saw years ago and it still sticks to my ribs.

And if one does what God does enough times, one will become as God is. - Hannibal Lecter

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