I mean the more "light hearted" comedic contemporary times on and also the 1800s ocean traveler one. The others were SUBLIMELY told. But those two kind of brought it down, in particular the contemporary time one. Just too "comedic" didn't fit with the overall movie for me. Don't get me wrong though, I LOVED the two future stories SO MUCH.
Farces aren't to everyone's liking, so I can understand someone might not enjoy "The ghastly ordeal of Timothy Cavendish" as much—though personally I thought this one was just fine, particularly when watching the film a second time.
But what was your beef with "The pacific journal of Adam Ewing" (that you referred to as the "1800s ocean traveler one")?
I don't know it just seemed to develop too slowly and was confusing somewhat. I mean, it was a little gross and creepy too. I guess I don't have huge problems with it
Cavendish's farce was my favourite segment and kept the film from being a real downer. I don't mean the other segments were bad, just that many of them were not particularly happy. Cavendish's tale adds the lightness that the others need to thrive more without becoming utterly tedious.
I'm mostly with you on the 1800s voyage. I think reducing or clearing that one entirely would have benefitted the film. As lovely as some of the moments in it were, I think the film runs a tad long and the myriad of stories often had the overall narrative, in my opinion, flagging a touch here and there. The loss of one story (or most of it) wouldn't have been too painful, especially if it was Jim Sturgess' voyage across the Atlantic.
I'm mostly with you on the 1800s voyage. I think reducing or clearing that one entirely would have benefitted the film.
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Well the movie is [as for 2001 ASO] about "the big question" of where did we come from, and where are we going, albeit it all happens in a "drop in the ocean" time span of just 600 years and mainly concentrates on the aspect of what could loosly be termed reincarnation.
SO it is only right that it starts with the person [Charles Darwin] who changed the whole thinking about Adam and Eve to Natural Selection via his book On the Origin of Species [as well as his involvement in stopping slavery].
Therefore Darwin's trip on the Beagle to the pacific islands is represented by Adam Ewing who also writes a journal that decribes his "salvation" from a normal "racist" lawyer to a man of compassion for a cause, which cause is taken up by others [and himself with Sonmi]
So even though the movie is mainly about a different side to Darwin than in ASO it is the vital "matter" that goes through all the stories
I enjoyed the comedic story, it was a welcome change of tone. However, I can understand why someone would want that story cut form the film. But, I'm baffled at your suggestion that the 1849 story should have been cut. It was vital to the story in many ways. Not only did it show us that Jim Sturgess and Doona Bae were always meant to be together, it also showed us how Tom Hanks' soul started out completely selfish and evil... Hanks is basically the main character in this film, so I think it's vital that we see how he evolves into a better, selfless person... If not for the 1849 story, we would only see Hanks as a good guy (save for his 3 minutes as Dermot "Dusty" Hoggins). We need to see how his soul progresses from bad to good.
If I had to lose one story, I'd lose the 1849. I just thought the movie ran long and had some pacing issues with the story's progression (though small ones).
Your analysis of that story, I think is correct. I will say, though, that Sturgess and Bae's eternal relationship is already implied by the reincarnation plot. At that point, I pretty much assume that there will be lovers who are always lovers, so to speak. Though, I actually assumed that the souls of the lovers were being reincarnated in different bodies (ie: Bae and Sturgess from 1849 are Wishaw and D'Arcy in 1930s, etc.)
Hanks is still greedy in the 1930s as well, though that is not pronounced or emphasised. But beside this, Hanks is also far from altruistic in the far future, either. He goes from cowardice (letting his friend and friend's son be killed) to more self-sacrificing by the end of it, but that's contained within one story arc. Or am I way off on that one?
Though, I actually assumed that the souls of the lovers were being reincarnated in different bodies (ie: Bae and Sturgess from 1849 are Wishaw and D'Arcy in 1930s, etc.
Hmm? Perhaps. I'm just going by the actors interviews I've seen on YouTube with Tom Hanks, Halle Berry, Hugh Grant and Jim Sturgess talking about this film. Each mentions how it was fun to play different characters and the makeup process, blah di blah di blah. BUT, they also speak about their particular souls journey, as if to say they were only playing the one soul. Hanks speaks about how he goes from being a selfish, shady murderer to someone who learns kindness and selflessness. Halle Berry spoke of how her soul went from being someone with no power at all in the native woman, to humanity's last hope in Meronym. Hugh Grant says how he gets worse over time, devolving into a pure savage eventually. And Sturgess spoke of how his soul started off reluctantly helping one slave, to becoming an abolitionist, and ultimately becoming a revolutionary dedicated to ending all slavery... I can't believe that each actor, by chance, came up with all this? If that was the case the directors would be explaining to them just who they're supposed to be, in order for them to act, somewhat like the previous actor who played that soul. I just don't think, for example, Tom Hanks would think that all the characters he played were the same soul, if it hadn't of already been confirmed to him by the directors.
Hanks is still greedy in the 1930s as well, though that is not pronounced or emphasised. But beside this, Hanks is also far from altruistic in the far future, either. He goes from cowardice (letting his friend and friend's son be killed) to more self-sacrificing by the end of it, but that's contained within one story arc. Or am I way off on that one?
Oh, yeah, I forgot to add his turn as the hotel manager. But, that was more morally ambiguous than downright evil (like Goose). As Zachary, Hanks is initially a cowardly man, not a bad man, but a coward. However, he learns courage and selflessness by the end... Deep down, Hanks was a good soul. He was savable (unlike Hugo Weaving and Hugh Grant).
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You're 100% right in light of those actor interviews. I hadn't seen those. And Hanks' development is more pronounced when he moves from murderous greed to honourable father.
I still say that the movie was a tad too long and something needed to go.
I'm also starting to wonder about the sequence. What would the movie be like viewed in chronological order? Would this help audiences to track the "migration" of the souls?
I still say that the movie was a tad too long and something needed to go.
I do know what you mean, however, I think it was necessary. There are some movies that HAVE to be long. Take The Lord of the Rings films for example, they're all around 3 hours in length, but they have to be really. Cloud Atlas is the same. Believe it or not, Cloud Atlas was apparently trimmed down to the MAX. Recently some news came out about Cloud Atlas, saying that there's a 4 hour version floating around that is supposedly, and I quote, "Mind blowing!" unquote... I think 4 hours would be too much, however I am curious. I'd love to see this extended version some day... Movies that are too long do grate on my nerves when the film lacks quality and deepness, but I had no problem with Cloud Atlas's length because it is a very deep and quality film.
'm also starting to wonder about the sequence. What would the movie be like viewed in chronological order? Would this help audiences to track the "migration" of the souls?
Well, it's interesting you brought that up actually, as the novel (which the film was based on) went in chronological order (kinda).
You see, in the book, we start off with Adam Ewing in 1849. But then, half way through his story, we shift to Robert Frobisher story. Then, halfway through his, we move on to Luisa Rey. Then to Timothy Cavendish, Sonmi, and finally Zachary... Zachary's story is told in full, with no interruption whatsoever. Then, we move backwards. Somni, Cavendish, Rey, Frobisher and then finally back to Ewing. So, the novel ends where it begun, with Ewing... So the structure of the novel looks like this. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... Now, in the book, this worked well, but the Wachowskis (the directors) decided this wouldn't work on film. They thought that by the time the movie audience gets back to Ewing, they may have forgotten about his story. I don't think that would have been a problem myself, but nevertheless I'm happy in the way they structured this film. I love the editing in this movie, the way each scene plays out well with the one standing next to it.
These are the two prime examples of great editing in this movie for me.
1. Autua on the ship, trying to lower the mizzen royal before he gets shot, while in Neo Seoul, Sonmi and Hae Joo try to cross a makeshift bride while under fire. This was really thrilling the first time I watched it, the way the two scenes mirror one another is brilliant.
2. Tom Hanks' monologue just before he gets killed on the plane. The way we here his thoughts while seeing the other stories is breathtaking. I loved how when he said, "Yesterday, my life was headed in one direction" we saw Dr Goose stealing from Adam, and then he says, "Today, it is headed in another", at this point we see that he's left the report for Luisa, indicating that she's sparked a change in him (it's so sad that the moment his soul starts to improve he's killed, only then to be reincarnated as the angry Dermot "Dusty" Hoggings)
So, I'm happy that they decided not to film this movie in chronological order. I think it's practically perfect as it is.
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Lord of the Rings, I think is different. I'm not talking about necessary movie length (in other words: I agree with your point that some movies must of necessity be longer in order to tell the full story). What I mean to say is that the "story structure" suffers somewhat in Cloud Atlas. Again, I'm talking about a minor thing and I don't mean to say that Cloud Atlas is a bad film, just that it isn't perfect and this is its only really substantive flaw.
Basically, when you think about story structure in general and how the finest tales are crafted, I think Cloud Atlas doesn't quite have the peaks and valleys in all the right places. I think the story feels longer than it needs to be to tell the story effectively, not that stories need to be 2 hours long. I feel the same way about Casino Royale and, to a lesser degree, Skyfall. Both those Bond films are brilliant and I love them dearly, but both have pacing issues and seem overlong.
Cloud Atlas, I think, needs to be a lenghty movie because of the scope of its narrative. Structural issues (when the story is hitting certain plot points, how they're clicking into place, etc.) are its problem. And, that's even accounting for the often brilliant parallels between stories (which you've pointed out regarding the rigging/ bridge scene or the plane explosion).
I'm fascinated by the book's structure. I feel like I should go read it. It makes me think about all the movies that are told in a linear, traditional manner, and all the ones that are told out of sequence. I wonder what they would look like scrambled, straightened out, or structured differently. Just as I'd like to see Cloud Atlas chronologically straight, I'd also like to see it structured ala the book. I like the intercut method, too.
It's nice that this story is intriguing enough to make me want to see it different ways. Most movies I see them once and don't want to watch them again, even if they were decent films.
Lord of the Rings, I think is different. I'm not talking about necessary movie length (in other words: I agree with your point that some movies must of necessity be longer in order to tell the full story). What I mean to say is that the "story structure" suffers somewhat in Cloud Atlas. Again, I'm talking about a minor thing and I don't mean to say that Cloud Atlas is a bad film, just that it isn't perfect and this is its only really substantive flaw.
Basically, when you think about story structure in general and how the finest tales are crafted, I think Cloud Atlas doesn't quite have the peaks and valleys in all the right places. I think the story feels longer than it needs to be to tell the story effectively, not that stories need to be 2 hours long. I feel the same way about Casino Royale and, to a lesser degree, Skyfall. Both those Bond films are brilliant and I love them dearly, but both have pacing issues and seem overlong.
Yeah, I get what you're saying. For me, Cloud Atlas was just the right length, but if time had to be cut, I'd rather lose a scene or two from each story rather than lose a whole segment. Besides, fans of the book wouldn't have been pleased if a whole story was cut out.
I agree about Casino Royale, it definitely dragged in parts. Skyfall I thought was perfect up until the final 3rd of the film set in Scotland, that's where it started to overrun. Overall though, I think I preferred Skyfall to Casino Royale. It just felt more like a Bond film to me.
I'm fascinated by the book's structure. I feel like I should go read it. It makes me think about all the movies that are told in a linear, traditional manner, and all the ones that are told out of sequence. I wonder what they would look like scrambled, straightened out, or structured differently. Just as I'd like to see Cloud Atlas chronologically straight, I'd also like to see it structured ala the book. I like the intercut method, too.
It's nice that this story is intriguing enough to make me want to see it different ways. Most movies I see them once and don't want to watch them again, even if they were decent films.
You definitely should read it. It's a wonderful book. I watched the film first, and personally, if I had to choose between the two, I'd probably plump for the film. But, as you say, it's great that the story is interesting enough to make us want to see it presented differently.
The book is different to the film in certain ways, and I think that's why I prefer the movie (maybe because I saw it first). In the book we only seem to be following one souls journey, whereas in the film we get to see multiple souls evolve/devolve. Here's a list of differences between the book and the film.
1. The birth mark.
In the film, the birth mark is used to indicate who is the protagonist of each story, and to show us that this particular soul is destined to change the world, directly or indirectly. All the birth marked souls connect together in some way or other.
In the book, the birth mark is used to indicate that this is a reincarnation of the previous barer of the birth mark. You see, in the book, the reincarnations work differently. Adam Ewing is reborn as Robert Frobisher, Frobisher is reborn as Rey, Rey then becomes Cavendish, then Cavendish becomes Sonmi, before finally, Sonmi is reborn as Meronym (in the film the birth mark was placed on Zachary)... This is where the book failed for me, as none of these characters are alike. I mean, I find it hard to believe that the morally decent Adam Ewing becomes the selfish Robert Frobisher. And I find it even harder to believe that someone as talkative as Cavendish becomes Sonmi, who is somewhat quiet and soft spoken... This didn't work for me.
2. Story changes.
I don't want to spoil it for you so I won't elaborate too much, but here are a list of some of the changes in each story.
Adam Ewing's story is longer in the book than it is in the film. It adds characters that I felt weren't really needed such as a young cabin boy on the ship who is being raped and abused by the other crew members. I didn't think this was needed and I understand why it was cut from the film... Also, Ewing doesn't meet Reverend Horrox until the second half of his story, whereas in the film he met him in the first scene.
Robert Frobisher's homosexuality isn't as clearly defined in the novel. It's never actually confirmed that he and Sixsmith are lovers... They also excluded Eva from the film, who is Vyvyan and Jocasta Ayrs daughter. I thought she was a good character and would have made an interesting addition to the film... Another change is that Frobisher never falls for Vyvyan in the book, he instead falls for Eva... This was the only story in the novel I preferred to its film version (which I thought was kind of boring in parts).
Luisa Rey's story is much, much larger in the book. In fact, I thought it was a tad too large. There was just too many antagonists and villains in this story. They made it seem like too many people were in on Hooks' plan for his reactor to fail.
Cavendish's story was more or less the same. The book version was slightly darker, but that's all.
I don't want to say too much regarding Sonmi's story because most of the changes in that would spoil it for you. I can say, though, that Hae Joo and Chang are too separate characters (in the film they were merged into one). Sonmi pays a visit to Papa Song's (incognito) after escaping. She also spends a large portion of time at a university.
Zachary's story is similar in most ways. The only differences are that Zachary is younger in the book, and his and Meronym's relationship never goes beyond friendship.
3. How the stories connect to one another.
This is where the book is superior to the film. I love how each story connects to the one that follows it... In a way, the same method was used in the film, but I think in the book it's executed much better.
Adam Ewing's story is just picking up pace when suddenly the story stops mid-sentence. I thought at first I'd received a bad copy of the book (a conclusion most readers jumped to, apparently), but then I relaised that wasn't the case. The story lurches forward to Robert Frobisher, who is irritated by the fact that he only has half of Ewing's Pacific Journal. That's right, we're reading what Frobisher has been reading, that's why we've only read half of Ewing's story... Then, at the halfway point of Frobisher's story we cut to Luisa Rey. The reason why Frobisher's story has been interrupted is because Luisa only has half of the letters he sent to Sixsmith. Then when Luisa's story stops after she is forced off the bridge by Bill Smoke, it's because Cavendish has only read half of her manuscript. Then Cavendish's story pauses because Sonmi has only seen half of his film. As with the others, Sonmi's story stops abruptly half way through and we move on to Zachary... Then, after the final story with Zachary concludes, his children and grandchildren view Sonmi's final speech, thus we are thrown back into her story... When her story ends, and with her execution impending, her final request is to watch the second half of The Ghastly Ordeal of Timothy Cavendish, hence we are catapulted backwards in time to Timothy's story in the rest home. Then, once his tale is done, he finishes reading Luisa Rey's manuscript, so back we go to Luisa... After her and Napier's deadly encounter with Bill Smoke is over, Luisa meets Sixsmith's niece, Megan. Instead of Luisa giving Megan Frobisher's letters (as she did in the film), Megan is the one who gives Luisa the final letters Frobisher sent to Sixsmith. So, we move further back in time to Frobisher... His story ends the same as it does in the film. However, before committing suicide, Frobisher reads the second half of The Pacific Journal of Adam Ewing (which he'd found at Ayrs mansion)... And so, we finally go back to where the book started, as the novel ends where it began... Yes, we're all the way back to Adam Ewing and the treacherous Dr Goose... It plays out practically the same way as it does in the film, the only difference is the ending, where Adam doesn't actually confront his father in law, Haskell Moore, he just imagines how his upcoming confrontation with him will play out. Ending, of course, with Adam stating, "What is an ocean, but a multitude of drops?"
It's beautiful the way the story's connect together, simply beautiful... It's like watching a whole universe expand before your eyes, before slowly condensing back to its original size... You see, this is why I couldn't cut Ewing's story from the film, because evidently Mitchell put a lot of faith into Ewing's story. To begin and end the book with Ewing shows that Mitchell had particular confidence in that story... The decision makes it seem, to me, that Ewing was the most important character. If I had to choose who was the main protagonist of Cloud Atlas, I'd say it was Adam Ewing. However, in the film, I'd say it was Zachary, as he was given the honor of having the first and last scene.
I do, overall, prefer the film, but I highly recommend you read the book as well.
Skyfall is the superior Bond (though I liked Casino Royale). Skyfall suffered from an overly-complicated villain plan (The Dark Knight has that, too). I'd also snip the whole assassin in Shanghai, I'd just have him track the assassin to Macau.
Sorry. Got side-tracked.
I'll definitely give the book a read.
The birth mark thing is interesting that they change it, especially as that was the vibe the film gave me. Maybe remnants of that theme remain...
I love that linking system in the book. It's brilliant. I recollect now one of Frobisher's letters saying he's frustrated by Ewing's incomplete journal, and that line seems to take on a much more cheeky and wonderful significance.
I also feel better about the drops in an ocean line. Watching the film, I felt like the line was rather cornball and was trying too hard to be pithy and meaningful and poetic. But, armed with the knowledge that it's supposed to be a written thought from a journal AND the final thought of the book/ story, it takes on a far more potent significance. To leave an audience with that thought: "Here we all are, Being together," is very different than using it simply as Ewing's final slap-in-the-face comback to his father, and the capper for his personal story.
Anyway. It's great to see (or read) something worth thinking over and talking about. Too often I see films that are such stagnant, inartful bores.
Skyfall is the superior Bond (though I liked Casino Royale). Skyfall suffered from an overly-complicated villain plan (The Dark Knight has that, too). I'd also snip the whole assassin in Shanghai, I'd just have him track the assassin to Macau.
I agree completely. While I loved Silva as a villain, his plan was over complicated. And I'd also cut out the Shanghai scene (or at least cut it down), I don't think it was that necessary to the plot. It was just a way to get Bond to Macau.
The birth mark thing is interesting that they change it, especially as that was the vibe the film gave me. Maybe remnants of that theme remain...
Hmm? Interesting. I still agree with the actors that the film took a different direction to the book, in the fact that the actors played the same soul throughout the movie. I have to agree because it makes more sense that way. Just think about it.
Hugo Weaving and Hugh Grant are evil all the way through. This makes it seem to me that they were always supposed to be playing the same, irredeemable souls.
Jim Broadbent plays Vyvyan Ayrs, a man who keeps Frobisher imprisoned in his house by means of blackmail. Then, in 2012, Broadbent plays Timothy Cavendish, who now becomes a captor in Vyvyan Ayrs old house (his old home), which has been converted into a retirement home... That's poetic justice right there. He imprisoned Frobisher there, thus karma came to bite his soul on the ass... He finally atones for his past life misdeeds and gains redemption, ergo he is now free of his old life (the house itself).
I find it highly suspicious that the record store clerk (played by Ben Whishaw) was obsessed with the Cloud Atlas Sextet, which was of course composed by Robert Frobisher (also played by Ben Whishaw).
Taking all these and many more things into account, I'm left with no other choice but to agree with the actors... However, just like you, I'm puzzled by the birth mark.
I understand what they was going for here. That each person who bears the birth mark is destined to do something important and all that, but was it really necessary in this film? I think not. I think including the birth marks was just the directors way of paying respect to the novel. I think it was a mistake because it confuses the hell out of the audience.
In the book, the birth mark was a necessity in order to convey that this was the same soul from the previous stories living on through the ages. But, in the film, we didn't need the birth mark. We could see the faces of the actors, why did we need the birth marks?.. Either they were thrown in as a homage to the book, or in order to purposely confuse the audience.
I also feel better about the drops in an ocean line. Watching the film, I felt like the line was rather cornball and was trying too hard to be pithy and meaningful and poetic. But, armed with the knowledge that it's supposed to be a written thought from a journal AND the final thought of the book/ story, it takes on a far more potent significance. To leave an audience with that thought: "Here we all are, Being together," is very different than using it simply as Ewing's final slap-in-the-face comback to his father, and the capper for his personal story.
This line serves as the final words in the book, and it makes for a great ending... To be honest, I liked it in the film as well. Although, I do think it's more meaningful in the book. However, I do think people who'd read the book would have been happy at its inclusion in the film... I just love that scene to be honest. I think it's haunting how it intercuts with Sonmi's execution, and how fitting Haskell Moore's words are to that particular scene. I think what makes it even better is (and yes, this may confuse you slightly) Moore is killing his own daughter in 2144, just as she killed him 1973... Okay, let me explain.
1849. Haskell Moore (Hugo Weaving) is the father of Tilda Ewing (Doona Bae). Tilda mentions that she's been afraid of her father all her life, so they definitely have a bad relationship with one another.
1973. Bill Smoke (Hugo Weaving) is pursuing Luisa Rey and Joe Napier when he comes across a Mexican woman (Doona Bae) who is working at a sweatshop. Frustrated at not been given an answer, Smoke kills the Mexican woman's dog... She later catches him up and takes revenge, hitting him over the head and killing him (vanquishing her old father from 1849).
2144. Boardman Mephi (Hugo Weaving) orders the execution of Sonmi-451 (Doona Bae), and looks on while she is killed (unknowingly taking revenge for what she did to him in 1973).
That makes the final scene with Ewing, Moore, and Tilda all the more poignant to me.
It's definitely true that the birthmark are different people. I just think, maybe, through some subliminal way, the book's altered use of the birthmark stuck around.
But it's lovely to think of the different possibilities that the birthmark could mean in the film. Is it the blessing of the gods/ cosmos/ God/ whatever that this soul is moving up in the spiritual world? Is it a sign that they will do great things? Lots of options for interpretation, which is one of the great things about Cloud Atlas in general.
There's a lot of that "unintentional revenge/ payback/ fulfillment" in the movie, isn't there? Take your example of Frobisher to the record store clerk: Frobisher never got to really enjoy his symphony. As problematic as his character could be, he wasn't really all bad, and so in the future as the clerk, he seems to be achieving more harmony.
You know what's just occured to me: Weaving's final incarnation is one of two possible things:
1. A hallucination whenever the selfish side of Hanks' character manifests. (My original assumption: he was seeing/ hearing things)
2. Actually the Devil.
Does Weaving's soul "decend" the same way Hanks' soul is on the way up? In other words: while Hanks gets better and better until he literally ascends from the planet (in a space ship!) Weaving's character becomes more and more evil until he leaves his physical form and becomes an actual demon...? That just occured to me. I haven't thought it through.
You know what's just occured to me: Weaving's final incarnation is one of two possible things:
1. A hallucination whenever the selfish side of Hanks' character manifests. (My original assumption: he was seeing/ hearing things)
2. Actually the Devil.
Does Weaving's soul "decend" the same way Hanks' soul is on the way up? In other words: while Hanks gets better and better until he literally ascends from the planet (in a space ship!) Weaving's character becomes more and more evil until he leaves his physical form and becomes an actual demon...? That just occured to me. I haven't thought it through
Well, this is interesting, because the majority of people seem to believe that he was just an hallucination, merely there to serve as the living embodiment of Hanks' selfishness and uncertainty. However, I believe he literally became a demon. I've always thought that, actually, and I'll tell you why.
Throughout the six stories we see these different incarnations of all these souls. Now, we know for sure that Weaving's soul/characters really existed in the past stories, just as we do with all the other souls in all the other time periods. So, why should we doubt the existence of this one particular character/incarnation? Well, the most compelling argument is that only Hanks can see him. That and the fact that he can appear and disappear seemingly at will leads people to think he doesn't exist. Personally, I think it's inane to suggest such things... It's quite clear to me that while Hanks' soul evolved into a better person over time, Weaving's soul devolved, becoming worse and worse until he could no longer even be human. Condemned to being nothing more than an unpleasant thought in Hanks' mind. Once Hanks overcomes Old Georgie's temptations he stops seeing him. Whether this leaves Weaving's demon powerless is open to interpretation. Perhaps he was Hanks' personal demon? Or maybe he just moved on to tormenting someone else?
This is why Cloud Atlas is a great movie, because as you say it's open to so many different interpretations. It makes you think long and hard, It begs repeat viewing. All the hallmarks of a truly great movie.
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Yeah...I like the demon theory. It takes Cloud Atlas to other territory. It would, for instance, imply that if damnation (descent to a wraith of pure evil) is possible, then transcendence (a big part of reincarnation, anyway) is possible, which throws some new light over Sonmi-451. She is worshipped in the future and, though Halle Berry (I don't remember her character name from the future) shows that she isn't a goddess, if transcendence is possible...she actually could be one. Or could become one.
Yeah...I like the demon theory. It takes Cloud Atlas to other territory. It would, for instance, imply that if damnation (descent to a wraith of pure evil) is possible, then transcendence (a big part of reincarnation, anyway) is possible, which throws some new light over Sonmi-451. She is worshipped in the future and, though Halle Berry (I don't remember her character name from the future) shows that she isn't a goddess, if transcendence is possible...she actually could be one. Or could become one
Yes, that's very interesting. If Hugo Weaving's soul could descend into damnation, what's to say Donna Bae's soul couldn't ascend into being some kind of Heavenly being? She was conspicuously absent from the final story... Perhaps she became an angel or something similar?
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@h-oates thanks for your insights on the book, expecially the birthmark thing in the movie was confusing to me. Being familiar with dr. Ian Stevenson work, it just seems logic to me that it had to follow the soul.
The main problem with the film is that it's done out of sequence. The novel tells the story in chronological order, but actually only half of each of the six stories. Once it arrives at the final story, it goes backwards in time to finish off the other half of the first five stories.
The film should have stuck to the novel's format. Events in Adam Ewing's diary foreshadow much of the following five stories; and the book ends with the second-half telling of Adam's struggle to deal with the worm in his head.
To be honest, they should never have made it as just one film. It should either have been a TV series or one film per half story, shown in the same order as the novel.