For the record, we do not speak russian nor do we speak Polish with a russian accent. (They could have hired Poles to play Poles instead of other nationalities). We know what jeans are and wear them - women do not all wear dresses or skirts all the time. I have never seen, outside a museum), a gun as old as the one used in the movie (what is it, from the IIWW??) and never seen anyone just rndomly have a crossbow (or whatever it was, I don't know much about that stuff).
I'm not complaining about the weird religious aspects (we do not worship the devil and priests do not wear big hats unless it's a bishop) because that was part of the plot and the plot was fine. It's just that I think it would have worked as well with an authentic Easter European background. No need for making us seem like we still live in medevial times ;)
Well isn't the point that this takes place in some tiny village that isn't as "modernized" as the rest of the world? We have places like that in the United States. You wouldn't even know you were in America, people live like it's the dark ages. I've always imagined there are places like that all over the world. I don't think it was meant to represent the entire country.
But I'm no expert. My family is from Poland but I've never been there.
Europe is not so big... and I guarantee you that you don't find "unmodernized" villages anywhere here... Only in the States I think! We have no mormons... If the idea was that the village remained back in old times, I think that one line by one character would have settled it, something like "My god, why do they dress like in the middle ages???". While in the movie you only have the impression that they think "It's been like this since we left the airport, totally ok".
I'm from Ireland and my Mum's family is from County Limerick. Some of the rural areas down there, and even near where I live , whoa, time travel! Where am I? Do you people know what a car is? Electricity? TV? Computers?
Even in some some areas of London you'd be hard pressed to know where you are, or when.
There's weird, remote villages all over the place.
Well, that was the point - it was an isolated, bucolic village, cut off from the rest of Poland. It's not like they were in metropolitan Warsaw. This highly religious community was supposed to be "weird" and anachronistic to other Polish people too. Have you heard of the Amish? They live in rural parts of the U.S. and Canada, are highly religious, have their own pidgin language, and don't generally use automobiles or electricity. When portrayed in movies, they aren't supposed to be representative of North American culture as a whole either.
yeah you are making a point buuut... the Amish is an actual thing. I do not believe that movies about, amish portray how most of the US lives but you cannot deny that some people do live like that. that is the difference, this movie does not portray a minority that could be seen in poland but a stereotype that is nothing but that, i have lived here my whole life and i have never seen any of the stuff seen in the movie. if it was portrayig like an equilivalent of amish in poland i would be more understanding, but wthat it portrays is an insulting stereotype
Oh, okay. Well, if it helps, as an American who has never had the good fortune to visit Poland (but would like to), I didn't take it as an indication that most Polish people actually live that way, and I sincerely doubt most non-Polish people would either. BUT I don't have any right to tell you how to feel, since I'm not Polish myself.
The only stereotypes I know about Poland are based on the Polish people I met while traveling in Europe, and they all spoke a minimum of three languages, so I sort of expect you all to have a better educational system than we do in the U.S.:)
Are you out of your freaking mind!!!!! In NO WAY is it conceivable that this little village supposed to be the norm. In fact they actually say in the movie that they are going to an Amish-like place in Poland, so as not to confuse the 'simple' people like yourself into thinking that this is supposed to represent an entire nation. It's BLATANTLY obvious that this is some Amish like backwoods community in a 'Generic Eastern European' country.
It's BLATANTLY obvious that this is some Amish like backwoods community in a 'Generic Eastern European' country.
Have you been to Eastern Europe? I have NEVER seen ANY Amish backwoods communities like that. As I said before, this is not even close to anything you can see in Poland.
But this matter aside. The fact that these "Polish" people don't speak Polish shows a certain lack of care about the authenticity and culture of the country.
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LMAO. OK so basically the fact that a WORK OF TOTAL FICTION has a place that NO ONE has ever heard of before, but they happen to have a statue that is hidden in a fog bank that NEVER MOVES, makes you think that the average viewer from every country that ISN'T Poland will think that, A: Poland must have a backwards old school village in it, because this movie shows one; and B: Every person in the world would AUTOMATICALLY KNOW the difference between ANY language that sounds like it is used in Eastern Europe, and that because of this movie they will now and FOREVER think that Poles sound like they are from Moscow.
Maybe you don't know this, but people that can't speak a foreign language, and don't listen to Polish and Russian people talk on a regular basis, would never know the difference between the two!! An d the majority of people that watch horror movies, or any movies for that matter, know that town depicted in countries other than there own are most likely full of inaccuracies.
If this were a documentary about Poland, then gripe about it, otherwise, quit being retarded.
Just because YOU don't know the difference and YOU don't speak the language and YOU don't care doesn't make it insignificant.
I understand that the Polish language is extremely difficult and kinda obsolete outside of Poland. This however doesn't make it ok to just disrespect a country's culture. If You knew something about history You would know how important it is to preserve the language - it is a big part of a culture.
Your ignorance is no excuse to disrespect our culture and well... me.
By just calling me a name You showed exactly how low your level of intelligence is so this whole conversation is mute. Ignorant and rude. I think this sums it up. Goodbye.
Alice, personally I think you are being way overly sensitive. Typical in today's world.
I'm pretty sure they weren't worshiping the devil, that's just what wanted you to think. Obviously they were protecting against demonic stuff and were using crosses as part of their protection. Not very devil friendly.
The person who said it best was the person who said the setting was supposed to be very rustic. What more do you need to know?
This is an excellent point! And I'm sure that West Virginia and In-breads hate being associated with each other in about a hundred movies. This is both funny and true.
"Reality is only what we TELL each other it is." John Carpenter's "In The Mouth of Madness."
When I visit America I get someone always saying "put another shrimp on the barbie mate". Happens all the time. We don't even call prawns shrimp for a start. Secondly I've never had a prawn on my barbeque even once. One time I walked into Radio Shack and the guy says to me say Gidday Mate. Ok now that does get said all the time in Australia so you know it's no big deal. Another one was always that we have Kangaroos jumping down Bourke Street. Rediculous! Also the country is supposed to be full of convicts. There are these ingrained cultural stereotypes for most countries right?
Most of Australia's recent stereotypes came from Paul Hogan in the late 80's. A big part of pre 80's Australia was the ANZAC sprit. Then we got very multicultural after the end of the Vietnam war. Australia was founded with the "White Australia Policy". We were a country of European origins. There was a Dutch colony in Tasmania, a Germanic settlement in South Australia as well as British colonists other than those sent here as a prisoners from England. In the 1980's it all got stuffed up with the influx of non-whites.
It's really such that there isn't anyone who would be described as typically Australian anymore. I understand why you would take offence at this movie in terms of the language and wanting to preserve your culture. I agree with what you're saying in that area. Language is the basis of a culture and it should be preserved. One of the biggest issues with the ridiculous scourge of Political Correctness is that racialism is being misrepresented as racism.
The thing I think you're missing is that this needn't even be set in Poland. I didn't actually think it was Poland till I looked on these boards. I thought it was Latvia. I don't think this movie would give anyone who saw it the idea that Poland is in anyway like what is depicted in this movie. People are a little more worldly now days than to believe such things.
I think you're being a tad culturally sensitive about this film. As someone has said about movies like Wrong Turn. As much as I'm sure there are some hardcore redneck bastards running amok in the woods, possibly slightly inbred, I don't think they're going to be mutants nor cannibals.
It's a movie for entertainment purposes. If it makes it easier for you just imagine this is some place in outback Australia. I won't take offense at that, and nor should you over this.
--- Scientologists love Narnia, there's plenty of closet space.
Everybody Just calm down for a minute....Breathe. I am not usually the type to step into the middle of a mudslinging fight. And, even though my points may be "Moot," considering the age of this thread and the sad fact that not enough people have seen and/or commented on this film, I just HAD to put my two cents in.
My Partner and I watched "The Shrine" (for the second time this year) last night. He is Second Generation full Polish. His parents got off a boat with no old fashioned ideas except maybe where pottery and recipes are concerned. But who isn't, really? He doesn't know the language very well, but he does know how the Polish people live. And he was NOT offended by this movie. In fact, he quite likes it, being that we are both Horror Movie aficionados. And we don't take things like films so seriously. They are fiction. They are not (a very different animal) Documentaries, nor are they to be taken as anti-"Any Countries' People" propaganda.
I am in no way trying to pick a side in this debate. I just wish you could be a little less tenacious, not to mention closed-minded, in your arguments. And this thread has some deleted responses... Wonder what THEY had to say? It probably got even nastier. So let me pluck out one idea that is getting batted around here: The American side has suggested that there may be an Amish/Quaker/Un-Modern Society somewhere in small town Europe. I guess, being that they do specify Poland as the country of destination in this film, one would have to admit that this would be the country with the supposed Society. The Poland side has confirmed that there are no such Communities. This assumes that the "Polish side" has seen all of Poland. And, that even if there are any out-in-the-middle-of-nowhere small towns, none of them are as the one depicted in this movie. My only comment on this is: Poland is a relatively large Country. It's impossible to believe that all of it's lands are metropolitan. So even if there are only a few scattered small communities, isn't there a chance that one or two of them might be living a "simpler life?"
One more thing. It is never implied, in the film, that the people of this town worship the Devil. It is implied that they are Christian/Catholic. In fact they search out those that are possessed and perform a ritual (a really violent form of exorcism) to remove the Demon from the body. It is explained at the very end of the film, albiet very abrubtly, that the Statue in the woods is what possess those who see it. It was put there as a "Curse" on the town. We are never told why they have been cursed. So I guess all sorts of conclusions could be drawn from that. But I feel right about how the town has chosen to deal with it, and that there are those who Protect the community in the only way that they know works.
So.... It's only a movie Folks! Or we could all be here until the end of time picking apart what, more popular, movies May be impling about us!
"Reality is only what we TELL each other it is." John Carpenter's "In The Mouth of Madness."
Very late in the day and only just seen this film but completely agree.
The whole point of the film was that the local people were trying to protect outsiders by making them leave thus flipping our previous assumptions about their motivation on their head.
The Poles were the heroes here and the arrogant outsiders the villains, although maybe villains is a bit strong.
Their land had been cursed and they heroically took on making sure that curse could not affect anyone else.
LMAO...You are calling the previous poster ignorant and you didnt even understand the damn movie. You thought the villagers/priests were worshipping the devil. Wow, just wow.
Exactly. And all the retarded Americans that love this garbage now believe they can travel to Poland and actually find a village like the one in the movie. I bet most of them couldn't even find Poland on a map.
I prefer sure most "retarded" Americans realize this is just a movie and it's entirely fictional. It's just a movie, you're taking it way too seriously. I'd say you're the retard.
CG gore is the worst thing that has ever happened to the horror genre.
I thought it was funny that they went all the way to Poland, they researched and found that English was taught in the local school, but the photographer sounded surprised when he asked the dimwit journalist, "Is this town Christian?" Gee, what a shock, finding out that Poland is Christian!
After that, finding out that they aren't speaking Polish comes as a afterthought.
This is a movie. We understand what you are saying. Get over it - it's a movie for goodness sakes. People get stupidly offended over the most petty of things.
Who cares about stupid movie mistakes ? Who care about things you dont even know about Poland even if you say that you are polish nationality ? This is a horror fantasy not a real thing as Katyn or some other history proven facts...Only important thing is that the movie is nice , dont care to much about hollywood ignorance , they are not europeans , like us :)