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Google not showing RT's rating for Ghostbusters?


I just discovered something. Google won't show RT's rating for Ghostbusters when you first search it up. Every time you search up a movie, you will see scores from RT, IMDb, and Metacritic. But for some reason, you can't see RT's rating when you look up Ghostbusters on Google. Same with Suicide Squad as well. I tried with other movies as well, and RT seems to show up on all of those other movies. But it doesn't show up for Ghostbusters or Suicide Squad. Is this happening to anyone else, or is it just me?

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It doesn't come up for me either but that's no loss as I NEVER depend on the critics take on the movies and go with the audience reactions instead.

These 2 movies are an excellent case in point.

Rotten Tomatoes Critics ratings

GB 16 - 73%
Suicide Squad - 26%

User ratings

GB 16 - 57%
Suicide Squad - 67%

Metacritic Critic ratings

GB 16 - 60%
Suicide Squad - 40%

User ratings

GB 16 - 2.7
Suicide Squad - 6.5

No doubt in my mind which is more accurate. I'm surprised that Hollywood even listens to the critics since the user scores are going to much more accurately reflect the box office.

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I know there was one critic who admitted that they are out of touch with the general audience last month.

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Yeah that's strange, it should show Ghostbusters at 73%.



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Which is 100% legit I'm sure, you naive little 🐑

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It's actually more legit than the user ratings, where we had thousands of people instantly rate it the lowest rating possible without ever seeing it.



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Sure it is 

I'll just trust the same community of pretentious no-taste phonies that gave Shakespeare in Love the oscar over Saving Private Ryan.

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The critics have actually seen it. Many thousands of user ratings are due to people who haven't. This is why the IMDB rating started out at around 3 when it was first released in the UK and continued to rise as it was released in the rest of the world.

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Umm, Sony were caught bribing a video reviewer to make a positive review of this movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXv3w59raZ4&feature=youtu.be
So, if they did it once so sloppily that they were caught, how many times did they do it without getting caught?


What also needs to be noted is that the average critics' rating for this movie is pretty much IDENTICAL with the average critics' rating for 'Man of Steel':
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_man_of_steel
6.2/10.
'Ghostbusters'' average critics' rating is 6.5/10:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghostbusters_2016

On the other hand, if we looked solely at the tomatometer and not the average rating, then, according to the top critics 'Transformers' is better than 'Ghostbusters' 2016:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_the_movie#top-critics-numbers




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We all know why Shakespeare in Love won... it had 2 time Oscar Winner Ben Affleck in it!!

Oh wait, he was only in it because he was dating Gwyneth at the time, and then he consciously uncoupled to start up Bennifer.

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Since the user ratings are paralleling the box office and the critic ratings are no where close, I think that you need to up your estimate of thousands of people to millions of people.

The box office numbers seem to show that even the people that had no clue about the original Ghostbusters and went to see this because of the controversy didn't return to the theaters to watch it again even when it hit the discount theaters. I suspect that DVD sales are going to be extremely anemic as well.

Which do you think it is? Millions of people wrong or a couple hundred people at Sony wrong?

Perhaps you're upset that the box office proved you wrong?

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You're jumping to a lot of conclusions. Box office numbers tell us nothing about how many repeat viewers there are. For all we know, the majority of the receipts are due to multiple views.

This becomes more likely due to the fact that the advertising for the movie was rather horrible. The initial trailer was so bad that Sony had to fire those involved. Even the new trailers were worse than the movie turned out to be, just like with most Feig movies.


Which do you think it is? Millions of people wrong or a couple hundred people at Sony wrong?


This is what's known as a false dichotomy. Not only did you get the argument wrong, those wouldn't even be the only 2 choices. The argument is that the critics are generally more reliable than the user reviews due to the false vote stuffing which occurred right after this movie was released.

We had dozens upon dozens of threads here reminding people to rate the movie a 1, when it hadn't even been released anywhere besides the UK. A great bulk of the ratings we see here are those fake ratings. That's why the score started out as a 3 and rose past 5 as it opened in more nations.


Perhaps you're upset that the box office proved you wrong?


That isn't even possible. I made it a point to make no claims about the box office tally.





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You're jumping to a lot of conclusions. Box office numbers tell us nothing about how many repeat viewers there are. For all we know, the majority of the receipts are due to multiple views.

Data analysis, statistics, and tracking trends was one of the reasons I was successful in the businesses I ran prior to my retirement.

Your conclusion is flawed. When you are dealing with metadata you can not make an assumption like your multiple view conclusion. The data doesn't support it and it doesn't fit Occam's Razor. If we follow your reasoning that a statistical majority of views were repeats from a smaller sample of people then the ratings for this film should be even lower than they are.

This is what's known as a false dichotomy. Not only did you get the argument wrong, those wouldn't even be the only 2 choices. The argument is that the critics are generally more reliable than the user reviews due to the false vote stuffing which occurred right after this movie was released.

Except that the critics aren't more reliable if you look at all the data. Additionally critics look at things that fans don't that really have no bearing on box office and bottom line and things that fans (you know the people that buy the tickets) are interested in.

Film companies can't afford to cater to critics only if they want to be successful.

As far as vote stuffing goes it appears that the "false ones" have been counteracted by the "false tens".

That isn't even possible. I made it a point to make no claims about the box office tally.

Ignoring a major data point because you have a pet theory that it doesn't fit with is not good analytics. It also seems rather short sighted given that the bottom line is... the bottom line.

Its the metric that the people in charge of the company use to determine where they will go next. Whether a movie was a success, mediocre, or a failure. (Lets face it, in the movie business your investors aren't interested in mediocrity nor is your audience. They are interested in successes and investors take a very dim view of failures especially those that were predicted to be failures that ignored advice for improvement). What mistakes they made and how to improve on them, or better, how to prevent them.

What they did right and how to continue doing so going forward.

Comparing box office take, user reviews, and critic reviews we find that IMDB rating, Rotten Tomatoes fan rating, and box office are all within the standard deviation.

Rotten Tomatoes critic rating and Metacritic fan ratings are definite outliers and that Metacritic critic ratings are slightly off though still within tolerance.

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Data analysis, statistics, and tracking trends was one of the reasons I was successful in the businesses I ran prior to my retirement.

Your conclusion is flawed. When you are dealing with metadata you can not make an assumption like your multiple view conclusion. The data doesn't support it and it doesn't fit Occam's Razor. If we follow your reasoning that a statistical majority of views were repeats from a smaller sample of people then the ratings for this film should be even lower than they are.


You have no data to back your assertions. You have no repeat viewer data, thereby meaning you have no rating data from this same group. Therefore it's your conclusion which is flawed and non sequitur.

Except that the critics aren't more reliable if you look at all the data.


Typically that's the case, but not here.

Here we have a movie with the most downvoted trailer in movie history, which also fell victim to sexism, prejudice, and political hate all rolled into one. This movie also suddenly had tens of thousands of ratings on IMDB before it even opened anywhere in the world besides the UK. This coming at the same time there were dozens of threads on this board telling people they now had the opportunity to rate it a 1.

The result of this was that the initial score on IMDB was a 3, which later skyrocketed past 5 as more people around the world actually had a chance to see it.


Ignoring a major data point because you have a pet theory that it doesn't fit with is not good analytics.


Well I agree, which is why I didn't do it in the first place. It's rather ironic you say this too considering the fact that you just got through ignoring the data point(s) of repeat viewership.




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So... are you just USED to clinging to failure? This is just sad...

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How surprising. You show up and try to steer the topic in another direction.



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When it comes to this movie, all directions lead to failure  It's ok, I know the math is hard.

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If you have the ability to make a critical analysis of data every thing you need to actually run the numbers is available. Discarding data points that do not fit your theory simply because they don't fit your theory is bad analytics, and doesn't conform to scientific or economic theories.

Here's another data point for you. Total number of reviews.

Compare GB 16 to any of the other movies that are considered bombs.

Reviews

GB 16 - IMDB rating 5.5, # of reviews 58,000
Fantastic 4 - IMDB rating 4.3, # of reviews 113,000
Green Lantern - IMDB rating 5.6, # of reviews 225,000
Star Wars episode I - IMDB rating 6.5, # of ratings 539,000

and if we remove the 20,000 "false 1s" that you complain about GB 16 has only 35,000 reviews

Star Trek V - IMDB rating 5.4, # of user reviews 44,000

That means that GB 16 was so bad that hardly anyone on the planet wanted to review it let alone pay money to see it.

I've done enough of the analytical work for you now. I'm sure you are smart enough to figure it out from here and come to an arguable conclusion that actually fits a reasonable hypothesis.

If not.... "Live long and prosper"


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he's not smart enough, but claims that he his.

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Compare GB 16 to any of the other movies that are considered bombs.

Reviews

GB 16 - IMDB rating 5.5, # of reviews 58,000
Fantastic 4 - IMDB rating 4.3, # of reviews 113,000
Green Lantern - IMDB rating 5.6, # of reviews 225,000
Star Wars episode I - IMDB rating 6.5, # of ratings 539,000


In what universe is The Phantom Menace considered a bomb? Yeah, fans don't care for it, but the film made a billion dollars at the box office on a $115M budget. It was in no way a bomb like the rest of that trash you listed. LOL @ including it.


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Since we are talking about fans and not critics its valid also consider that fans rated it at 6.5 in comparison to GB 16's miserable 5.5. Even Fantastic Four with a 4.3 had almost twice the number of reviews.

Ben Hur looks to be doing worse but since it isn't finished with it's theatrical run all the reviews aren't in yet.

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Your word was "bombs". I don't care what its rating is. Why did you bother to include a billion-dollar film with actual bombs? That makes no sense. If you had said "Let's compare the ratings of a successful film and bombs" okay, but you didn't.



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Well I agree, which is why I didn't do it in the first place. It's rather ironic you say this too considering the fact that you just got through ignoring the data point(s) of repeat viewership.


Sorry I didn't ignore it but there is no way to really track it except by inference. Much like the way scientists detect particles that are too small to see with the naked eye.

So lets go through those steps.

1) There were a finite number of viewings for this movie.
2) The movie did NOT make money which means it did not have enough total viewings.
3) It had a ~50% popularity drop in the 2nd week of its release. Which means 1 of 2 things. (Think of each thing as either a Y axis point or an X axis point)
a) people continued to come to see it for the first time and there were no repeat views.
b) hardly anyone came to watch it for the first time and all subsequent views were repeats from a much smaller percentage of the global audience.

(Side note a 50% popularity drop in the 2nd week would not favor the position of repeat views being significant)

The truth of course is somewhere in between. This is where we come to personal experience.

I don't know about you, but I, and most of the people I know, only repeat view at the theater a movie that I personally (or they) rate between a 9 or 10 out of 10. (Because seriously are you going to go back and re-watch a movie you didn't like all that well?) Even at that I don't go back and re-watch every movie I rate a 10. (In my personal experience I only re-watch at the theater 5% of the movies I feel are a 10).

This comes back to those slippery user reviews that you don't like.

If we assume that a significant number of the 1's are fakes then by the same token we must assume that a significant number of the 10s are also fakes.

We can't factor them out because we don't really know, so for the sake of argument, lets assume for this that all the 1s are fakes and all the 10s are true and that only people who rated the movie 10 are repeat views at my 5% rate. I think we can agree that should provide a more balanced view point.

With these things in mind we find that .25 *.05 or 1.25% of people that saw the movie at the theater went to see it more than once. That is (statistically speaking) insignificant.

Even if I am wrong and more people saw it more than 1 time all that means is that the movie (and we know this because of the finite number of movies views based on box office and ticket prices) had an even lower number of initial views meaning even fewer people thought that the movie was of high enough quality to view even one time.

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we had thousands of people instantly rate it the lowest rating possible without ever seeing it.


...or the highest.

It goes both ways.

Let's be honest, this is no masterpiece and it has a disproportionate number of 10s too.

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Got more 1's than it got 10's.

The most common non 1 or 10 rating is 7.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1289401/ratings-imdb_staff
IMDB staff liked it, mostly 8s. Hmmm...

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Got more 1's than it got 10's.


19,6% vs 24,3%

The most common non 1 or 10 rating is 7.


Yes, with a 12,4%

Both 1s and 10s are gut reactions, not that much distant one from another.

Then... it has, slightly, some more weight going down, so it would be under the 7 anyway, closer to a 6, which is pretty close to the 5,5 we already have.

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30% of males gave it 1. Obviously a bull *beep* rating. Even if you hate a movie, 1 is reserved for the most atrocious of trainwrecks with no redeeming qualities. This movie isn't that. If you watched the whole thing, you probably don't actually think it's a 1.

It has 3x as many ratings from males as it does from females.
Most chick flicks have more ratings by males than females on IMDB. Yes, I checked a few. Traveling Pants, Lose a Guy in 10 Days, The Holiday...

What's the ultimate chick flick? I'm guessing The Notebook? It has 185k ratings by males, and 150k by females. Does that sound right?
This means the IMDB rating is in no way an accurate representation of its reception - I'm sure no one is surprised.

But the male ratings have therefore skewed its overall rating.
More males voted on it, and they voted a 1 at a disproportionate rate.
So no, the 5.5 is not close to an 'objective' rating.

It's got a 73% on RT.
It's got a 60 on metacritic - with a lot of nonsense 1s and 0s.
The real rating is probably more like 6.5-7.

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40% of women gave it a 10. Obviously a bull *beep* rating. Even if you love a movie, 10 is reserved for the most outstanding archievements in cinema. This movie isn't that. If you watched the whole thing, you probably don't actually think it's a 10.

Most chick flicks have more ratings by males than females on IMDB. Yes, I checked a few. Traveling Pants, Lose a Guy in 10 Days, The Holiday...
What's the ultimate chick flick? I'm guessing The Notebook? It has 185k ratings by males, and 150k by females. Does that sound right?


Then... did you notice how men don't hate "chick flix"?

Why would they hate this one for no reason?

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40% of women gave it a 10. Obviously a bull *beep* rating.

Not the same kind of bull *beep* rating as a 1. It's just more appealing to women because of the female cast.
Hunger Games got way better ratings by women too.

10 is reserved for the most outstanding archievements in cinema.

Only if you're a snob. Most people rate movies based on entertainment value.

If you watched the whole thing, you probably don't actually think it's a 10.

I know you're just trying to flip what I said but this isn't remotely applicable.

did you notice how men don't hate "chick flix"?

They still get better ratings by women. Anyway, the point was about number of ratings by target sex more than it was about the quality of ratings.

Why would they hate this one for no reason?

It's the whole remake with gender swap idea. It's a combination of two things.

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There are 130 million WOMEN in the USA alone. Why didn't they show up to see it?

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Their boyfriends and husbands didn't want them to feel empowered.

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 And now you see how big of a joke this all is. WOMEN rejected this movie in STAGGERING numbers. Go fetch me some Google research, keyboard bitch 

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Not the same kind of bull *beep* rating as a 1.


I think it is the exact same thing.

It's just more appealing to women because of the female cast.


Why wouldn't a female cast be appealing to men?

Hunger Games got way better ratings by women too.


As does Battle Royale.

I know you're just trying to flip what I said but this isn't remotely applicable.


Because...

They still get better ratings by women.


Around the same difference that "movies for boys" get from women: around 0,5...

Anyway, the point was about number of ratings by target sex more than it was about the quality of ratings.


I don't know, maybe I'm not understanding what your point was about.

This movie has a closer ratio than the original Ghostbusters. 5 to 1 vs. 3 to 1 more or less....

The target sex thing... If I start thinking about it... Do you believe that Ghostbusters (2016) wasn't targeted towards women AND men? If that wasn't the case and the target were only women, why rely on a franchise whose target is mostly men (as the IMDB numbers show)? Were they expecting men to not show up? Why?

I honestly believe that they thought that they would get couples in the movie theatre, but they played it wrong.

This is Sony, and as a corporation they only care about butts in seats, and every decision is made first and foremost with that in mind.

They didn't make the original 3rd movie because they thought they wouldn't get butts in seats... So... it seems to me that they thought that this idea would be better. Why? Because they would get more butts in seats than the original 3rd film. Why? Because the "nerds" who love the original movies aren't enough butts and this approach would bring into play more butts. Why? Because now it would appeal to her TOO. Emphasis on the TOO. It wasn't a TOO, so they played this crazy sexism thing that brought everyone to a sexist mindset. Even you are giving more validity to the actions of one gender over the other.

It's the whole remake with gender swap idea. It's a combination of two things.


I know and it sounds like a great premise for a movie!

I wonder why those who had the same idea and made a remake of a beloved classic get a similar rating when they do it.

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Tss yeah 100% of everybody says you're a fat dopey peckerhead TSS FAWHKIN BURIED THIS CAWHKSUCKA! HOME RUN CHIPPER!

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Google ad policy highlights the "good" things in its targeted and paid ads. You can find the missing data in lots of various ad spaces ranging from web sites to books. I suspect it is more about a computer simply following what its marketing gods have defined as "good for business".

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