Why the crap wouldn't he just shoot his hand? Or simply his index finger, it would give him time to run to crazy old Joe and change something...
I've watched this movie 3 times and this is my only problem with it haha
Why the crap wouldn't he just shoot his hand? Or simply his index finger, it would give him time to run to crazy old Joe and change something...
I've watched this movie 3 times and this is my only problem with it haha
I'm sorry but even with a modern shotgun at close range nothing will remain if you shot your hand. And the "micro" lag wouldn't matter, he would still be baffled (if we are assuming that the "pause" we see is him being baffled and not simply a very slow motion before he dissapears instantly).
Also, if OLD joe couldn't get that one shot Cid would go inside the crops and OLD joe would never shoot the mom (which would be the major cause for cid to become the rainmaker acording to new joe)
I'm sorry but even with a modern shotgun at close range nothing will remain if you shot your hand.
And the "micro" lag wouldn't matter, he would still be baffled (if we are assuming that the "pause" we see is him being baffled and not simply a very slow motion before he dissapears instantly).
Also, if OLD joe couldn't get that one shot Cid would go inside the crops and OLD joe would never shoot the mom (which would be the major cause for cid to become the rainmaker acording to new joe)
OK, so young Joe shoots his hand and old Joe's wrist immediately disappears completely. But old Joe is holding the revolver with 2 hands, assuming he drops it, it would take him 3-5 seconds to pick it up and aim, he's a professional killer after all. The woman stood tall in one place, because she was covering for the kid who ran more than 10 seconds before he hid in the crops.
What does young Joe do in the meantime (he's too far away)? Take his shoe off and shoot his other hand, pulling the trigger with his foot's fingers? :D If he shoots his foot/lower leg (you want him to survive and not die of blood loss), old Joe could still make the shot from the ground/or standing on one leg...
Please don't make young Joe poke his eyes out, please.
Could you elaborate on this:
It does get better with repeat viewings. The look and feel of the lead-in, including the trippy, convertible miata montage.share
All the red herrings. All the homage.
The diner-double scene. "Diagram out of straws..." (which I've made*.)
I'd be happy to.
Looper, like all time-travel films, is full of visual clues. The prime task on first rewatch is to try to spot any temporal doubles in background scenes. "Coherence," while not exactly time-travel, per se, is splendid for "tracking temporal doubles." Think Where's Waldo, only Waldo keeps changing his clothes to blend in with the crowd.
That in mind, some of these will be false leads. Just something we mistook for a clue. And some of these will be legitimate red herrings, designed to intentionally trick us. The prime task on second rewatch is to catalog the red herrings.
Homage happens regardless, and might be the most subjective task of all. Meaning some WANT to see homage so they invent it in their minds. The sex scene between Sara and YoungJoe is homage to Terminator.
"Diagram out of straws" was brilliant writing. It encouraged many viewers to actually make one themselves... Here is mine:
http://i.imgur.com/Ir00i.png
Enjoy these words, for one day they'll be gone... All of them.
Well stated, Rain Man. I've done approx. 50 2nd re-watches of Looper and it seems I see a new Waldo each time. In the two versions of Old showing up and punching out Young, Young is shown waking up face-up the first time, then he is shown falling face-down the second time. At first I attributed this to bad continuity. Not so much any longer because they ARE two separate scenes which could have minor differences like that occurring in real life. Tons of other Waldos keep revealing themselves which is why I know I'll watch it another 50 times.
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In the two versions of Old showing up and punching out Young, Young is shown waking up face-up the first time, then he is shown falling face-down the second time. At first I attributed this to bad continuity.
How was the sex scene homage to "Terminator"?
And this "brilliant writing" diagram of straws. Has something to do with terminator with a search, Ill check that out. The looper one I figured the same way in my head after watching it, but thank you for the explanation and diagram.
How was the sex scene homage to "Terminator"?
I see. But I tink it's pretty evident Sid is already the Rainmaker. However, it very well could be he got her pregnant and he fathered a different rainmaker, but that would not support the whole seeing his mother get shot and synthetic jaw comments made before the future. So you are relying on a completely different person ending up becoming the rainmaker in the same chain of events where even a "butterfly" flying in a different direction on an off day could have catastrophic consequences and changes.
I do see the homage now though, thanks.
Did you enjoy Predestination?
I see. But I tink it's pretty evident Sid is already the Rainmaker. However, it very well could be he got her pregnant and he fathered a different rainmaker, but that would not support the whole seeing his mother get shot and synthetic jaw comments made before the future. So you are relying on a completely different person ending up becoming the rainmaker in the same chain of events where even a "butterfly" flying in a different direction on an off day could have catastrophic consequences and changes.
I do see the homage now though, thanks.
Did you enjoy Predestination?
the problem is not this, the problem is that when he realize that he should end this, his future self should too and not kill the mother. but of course that would spoil the only good scene in the movie, joe killing himself. so the only good point is based on the most stupid one.
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the problem is not this, the problem is that when he realize that he should end this, his future self should too and not kill the mother.
excuse my crappy english, through out the movie, bruce willis was able to follow his old self by remembering what he did. so he knew he will meet hisold self in the last farm, when his old self had a gun shot, he get a scar. so when his old self realized that what made the rain maker killing loopers is the death of his mother, bruce willis should have realized that at the moment and stop following the mother and the child. his old self also should have realized that and know that he doesn't need to kill himself to stop his future self, bruce, from killing the rainmaker mother. but of course this logical happy ending wouldn't be as strong as the stupid emotional ending that the crappy director choose.
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excuse my crappy english, through out the movie, bruce willis was able to follow his old self by remembering what he did. so he knew he will meet hisold self in the last farm, when his old self had a gun shot, he get a scar. so when his old self realized that what made the rain maker killing loopers is the death of his mother, bruce willis should have realized that at the moment and stop following the mother and the child. his old self also should have realized that and know that he doesn't need to kill himself to stop his future self, bruce, from killing the rainmaker mother. but of course this logical happy ending wouldn't be as strong as the stupid emotional ending that the crappy director choose.
no way, there is nothing to indicate old joe's goal being revenge, on the contrary, he show wisdom and lecture his younger self about being dump, as for going around killing children, that go after the classic question on time travel about killing hitler, and sacrifice for greater good.
young joe didn't want to have a future, period, since he signed the contract and despised getting old. but it's possible that emily blunt was the salvation for young joe as the chinese woman for old joe. the story was much deeper than the stupid writer/director could understand, that's why it went over his head.
..and why wouldn't joe be able to live as a child murderer, he lived his life killing random people he didn't know, and finally killed his own self, which could seem like suicide but it's not when yourself is outside yourself, it's more like killing his own father, which is more terrible than killing children. actually a character in the movie told his people to look for young joe and his father, referring to older joe.
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there is nothing to indicate old joe's goal being revenge
on the contrary, old joe was expecting himself to disappear after killing the rain make, hence to live happily ever after with his lover. young joe suggested that he shouldn't go to china to save her life, it's clear that old joe aim was love not revenge, finding the best way to save her life without leaving her. but i guess blunt will make it more complicated, if young joe decide to stay in the farm and not go to china. but would that mean that old joe should statr falling in love with emily too, so why would he shoot her!
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on the contrary, old joe was expecting himself to disappear after killing the rain make, hence to live happily ever after with his lover.
young joe suggested that he shouldn't go to china to save her life, it's clear that old joe aim was love not revenge, finding the best way to save her life without leaving her. but i guess blunt will make it more complicated, if young joe decide to stay in the farm and not go to china. but would that mean that old joe should statr falling in love with emily too, so why would he shoot her!
you contradict yourself, what's the need for revenge if he can save her life! i can't find any indication for revenge, it's a matter of changing history.
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you contradict yourself, what's the need for revenge if he can save her life!
in short, this movie is too complicated for any one to enjoy.
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in short, this movie is too complicated for any one to enjoy.
When I saw this movie, my roommates voiced this same concern, and I offered this rebuttal.
If he shot his hand off, the future self would instantly lose whatever had was shot off, but would also suddenly carry the memory of it getting shot off, so in the time between when the younger version of himself shot the hand off and the time he became old Bruce Willis, he would have learned to shoot with the other hand. So shooting off his hand would buy maybe a moment at best, and that wouldn't be enough for a freaked out kid to run from a guy hell bent on killing him.
Killing himself was the only real way to ensure Bruce Willis wouldn't be there.
Not to tear your post down, as you're on the right track in correcting your buddies... but... A minor correction:
so in the time between when the younger version of himself shot the hand off and the time he became old Bruce Willis, he would have learned to shoot with the other hand.
So shooting off his hand would buy maybe a moment at best, and that wouldn't be enough for a freaked out kid to run from a guy hell bent on killing him.
Because it's a much more powerful ending with him killing himself. He sacrifices his life to protect the Rainmaker and all the Rainmaker's future victims.
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