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Melodramatic and over-the-top work of fiction


First off - a great performance by Dominic Cooper. But the script? Leaving aside that it appears this is pretty much a work of fiction (http://www.edcaesar.co.uk/article.php?article_id=55), I found this whole affair too black-and-white, over-the-top and melodramatic. What is more, the heroics and romance were utterly unconvincing and felt out of place.

The director Lee Tamahori said this was a "gangster movie". I would go further than that and say: "A made-for-TV gangster movie."

This is a shame because the story of a body double in Saddam's regime (whether historically accurate or not) is intriguing. As a reviewer has said: "Cooper's outstanding performance(s) deserved better."

Thoughts?

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Fiction? You are a fvcking moron.

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@Raoh

How is the OP a moron for saying this is fiction? It more than likely is. Latif Yahia is a chronic liar and attention whore. Does this mean the movie was bad? NO. Personally I enjoyed the movie. But I still don't believe the story behind it.

The real Latif Yahia makes up lies just to sell books and make money. READ HERE: http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2011/aug/13/devils-double-tangled-tale

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Yeah, I read that article, I don't believe it at all.

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Fiction or not, I agree that Dominic Cooper deserves a good movie and even if his portrayal (hopefully) will be remembered for a long time, this movie won't. They should've gotten rid of the "romance"-part, I didn't really feel anything for the two lovers.

But I hope that, at least, Cooper get's the recognition he deserves.

Also... I can kill you with my brain

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I agree. While I really enjoyed the film, I was a bit disappointed that it was a bit more... surreal than I would have liked.
But maybe another director will redo it? I don't know.

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1) How did Latif escape? What happened to his family? 2) Why did Sarrab betray him? 3) What kind of permanent injury did Uday suffer after Latif shot him?


1) He escaped with the help of the CIA. There was a lot of intelligence work involved in Iraq after the war. It also had extremely poor control of the borders, and going into any of the Kurdish areas would have been relatively easy to get into Turkey or Iran (Syria would be a no-go). His father was killed, what happened to his mother and the rest of his family is unknown. It's quite likely that they vanished.

2) She betrayed him because she had family in Iraq that would be hurt. She jumped at the chance to get out, but once she was out she realized that it was a death sentence (and worse) for everyone she ever knew.

3) Uday had extreme difficulty with his genitals after being wounded. He was also crippled shortly after the assassination attempt by a hand grenade. His unofficial nick-name was Captain of the Unich Brigade because of the damage that he suffered. His personal affects that were discovered when he was killed included a special backfitting device that he should wear during sexual situations.

As for Uday being one dimensional, he was portrayed pretty much the way he acted. We are supposed to see the complexity of the double, not Uday. Uday was a one dimensional sociopathic rapist.

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Well, I don't think that it really fit with the film to cover the rest of the info. They fictionalized the romantic twist in the film so that it wouldn't be a sausage laden rape fest, and they wanted to have someone the lead could get close to and then be betrayed by. I also doubt that the double was the man who shot Uday in the junk. I think that it was fictionalized to be him so that it would be easier to include in the context of the film.

His real escape route (according to him) was what I suspected, he fled to the Kurdish north and then contacted the CIA somehow. I would imagine they snuck him into Turkey and then out of the country. This was lightly alluded to when they mentioned at the beginning of the film that his grandfather was a Kurd.

As far as the injury goes, I thought it was pretty self evident that he was shot in the genitals.

As far as no sociopath being one dimensional goes, Uday was portrayed in this film extremely accurately. From an outsider's perspective who met him at that point in his life, he was very much like what we see on screen. In his earlier years he acted extremely the same. He would get violent and attack kids at school, yell at the teachers. He was attending an all boys school and he would show up in flashy sports cars and bring his girlfriends with him. When one of his teachers asked "why do you bring her here? this is a boys school." he vanished the next day. Uday's development into a monster transpired extremely early in life when Saddam would take him on "field trips" at I believe around age 7 or 8 and they would watch people being tortured.

There were other attrocities that he personally took part in, which are also alluded to in the film. The torture of the Olympic soccer team for instance, but the film is limited to the period of time that his double was in his life.

What makes most sociopathic rapist serial killers multi-dimensional is the fact that they hide so well and lead such a double life (Bundy, GRK, BTK, etc) but Uday didn't have to hide anything. He actually did everything in a pretty open manner.

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Well, I don't know if Uday was "forced" to watch or not. It was something that he saw from an extremely young age, and thus it was quite common place.

Uday walked and lived in a completely different world than even most world leaders. Not portrayed in the film is his exile after murdering Saddam's pimp. He was "sent" to Switzerland to work for the embassy in that country. He didn't last very long there before he was kicked out. He threatened (and possibly attempted) to murder someone in a restaurant. Yeah, it was apparently rather public.

The director/writers worked with the material that they had. This was pretty exclusive to the bio of the double. I think they worked hard to include the general persona of Uday. I'm not certain that he did in fact ever sleep with a transvestite, but it would fit in with his character. He insulted islam pretty much every day.

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This movie was about Latif. Uday was a secondary character. If you know your history you knew what happened to Uday after the assination attempt. And then you knew what happened to him during the Iraq war a few years ago.

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Just like the king of scoland this movie is false of factual events that never happened.

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Just like the king of scoland this movie is false of factual events that never happened.

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Agreed with the OP.. Halfway into this it just got cheesy.. the special effects were out of place and Latif's romanticized character seemed wayyy too overdone. DUMB ending. Overall this movie was ehh

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**SEMI-SPOILERS**

I totally agree, the whole film was totally over stylized which I thought detracted from the serious nature of the story. The amount of factual information presented within this film is surely minute in comparison to the amount of overblown and over obvious works of fiction passed off as character developement.

Right from the start it became pretty obvious what was going to happen later on, Munem's crisis of conscience, the element of 'forbiden love', all of which are poorly explored and rushed to conclusion.

The Devil's Double, for me, seemed like a collection of short and disturbing scenes that had been edited together in order to create the most shock value (the scene with the young school girl I felt particularly uncomfortable watching). The rest of the film felt decidedly rushed and there were far too many weak characters and poorly explained/explored side stories.

Overall the film has all the hallmarks of a poor book to film adaptation, rushed script, poor character development and overly long story.

Very disappointing, I expected alot more.

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