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I welcome this as an example to black people


A married black mother and father, holding down a household and sending their kids to school, so much better than the message black rappers and celebrities send the black youth today.

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Remember that post where you said you weren't racist? Yeah, you might want to rethink that

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So positive examples for communities plagued by single parent households, gangs and incarceration makes me a racist?

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You including race in your comment makes you racist.

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Ignore listed.

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He celebrated a positive portrayal of a racial demographic, and denounced negative and harmful messages and portrayals of that same demographic.

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Saying anything negative at all about a "special group" is considered hate speech, racism and such, nowadays.

One interesting consequence is that the western black community has been culturally declining since the 60s. Competing with north-European whites used to be tough (before Wokeness), and that was a big incentive to become a better community. That was before the "Gosh, I'm a victiiiim" card entered the game in the 70s, and the rest is history. The path to hell is paved with good intentions, but it still leads to hell.

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He didnt say anything negative though ,
He said the message that "black rappers and celebrities send the black youth today. " is negative.
and implied that was a bad thing

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"north-European whites"

Just say aryans you fucking coward. And just say you want segregation back. Since the 60s lol. You're so pathetically dishonest about your true beliefs

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Just shut your racist behind up please. You don't know a damn thing about black people or our lives. So just shut the hell up commenting on anything to do with us. Nobody asked your backward, ignorant, outdated, just plain stupid white supremacist opinion---especially about a program you're obviously never seen.

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FUCK

That is a high fucking bar to clear.

WOW LOL

DAYUM

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And another example of an accusation that has no sting anymore due to overuse by windowlickers. LMFAO if that is what makes someone racist then I suppose I'm racist. Who tf cares? Now what? If racism is as meaningless as your example then it's obviously not a real problem anymore is it.

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My comment is based on other comments made by the OP declaring that he isn't racist, while making micro aggressions which say differently. Making this comment that he, the OP, who has declared that he is NOT black, welcoming it as an example to black people is racist.

If they had just said that this was an example for the modern family, that's not racist. ItalianBuju has listed some examples in the next comment that just show that Intothenight is incorrect with his assumptions which he has based on the colour of someone's skin. How is that not racist?

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If the "aggressions" are micro then so are the consequences.

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Yeah, isn't calling someone out on their racism a micro consequence?

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You still haven't proven racism unless you think accusations are the same thing, you child molester.

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We haven't mentioned children at all so that really does not equate to this conversation at all. Nice try though. The subject line mentions black people specifically, implying that black people in general do not have exemplary families. How is that not racist? It is showing a bias against one group of people based on the colour of their skin and completely ignoring socio economic barriers which may lead to some of the other examples the OP has listed exist in communities other than just the black community.

While it may not be on the level of 'KKK lynching' racism, it is racism none the less.

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What is it about the original post that you find racist?

The author wrote, "a married black mother and father, holding down a household and sending their kids to school, so much better than the message black rappers and celebrities send the black youth today."

I don't see any aspect of that phrase that is racist. The author is making a statement that the message of this TV show is a positive one, as opposed to the mostly negative messages he sees being expressed by most black celebrities.

If you think there are plenty of positive role models to be found among black celebrities, then you may disagree that the TV show has a better message than most being shared, but simply stating that the show has a positive message which contrasts with what most celebrities are currently offering isn't even remotely racist. It's almost certainly true, but if it isn't, then it's simply an inaccurate assessment of modern pop culture.

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What is racist about the post is that Intothenight has already declared himself as not black. For him, as a Japanese/Australian/American and whatever else he claims to be these days, who just had a post claiming that he wasn't racist, to welcome something for a people that he is not a part of as a good example is racist. To imply that only black people should find this as a good example is racist. To imply that black celebrities are the ones spreading a bad message is racist. Sure, some of the rap might not be sending the right message to youth, but to imply that it is blacks that are the ones sending that message while ignoring everyone else is racist.

For this not to be a racist comment it should read;
I welcome this as an example for people today.

A married mother and father, holding down a household and sending their kids to school, so much better than the message that many in the music industry and other celebrities send the youth today.


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Because he isn't black, he is a racist if he comments on the actions of black people? I don't believe that to be the case at all.

He's offering an opinion about a show with a primarily black cast, aimed primarily at a black audience, that offers a message that is very different from the messages being given to that same audience by the vast majority of black celebrities. He doesn't need to be black to point out that it's a refreshing change to see a positive message being aimed at the black community, and he's not racist for pointing it out.

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Really? Which black celebrities are you referring to that are offering a bad example more than other celebrities?

What about shows like The Proud Family, Smart Guy (sure single father but he was widowed), Family Matters, both Hangin with Mr Cooper and The Steve Harvey show had leads who were teachers, Roc, 227, Everybody Hates Chris, A Different World, The Cosby Show , and The Fresh Prince all had positive messages. So I'm not sure that it's such a refreshing change.

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I feel ya sslssg.
Its racist and highly moralist too.

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And dont leave out The Bernie Mac Show!!

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Thank you, I'm sure there are more that I'm missing. There were some from the 70s that I'm not as familiar with.

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THE JERFFERSONS,SANFORD & SON,GOOD TIMES,WHAT'S HAPPENING?,THAT'S MY MAMA,DIFFERENT STROKES,THE FLIP WILSON SHOW,BENSON.

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Did the OP make the case that there had never been a positive black role model, or a TV show that portrayed positive family values in a black family? The point being made is that *most* of what black Americans are exposed to in pop culture and the mainstream media is negative, so shows, like the ones you mentioned, are a welcome change from the norm.

That you had to go back 37 years just to compile a list of 11 TV shows that fit your description ought to tell you how few and far between such shows are. Now list 11 rappers who top the charts while offering a sane worldview, or 11 prominent athletes who live lives worth emulating...

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How many sit coms do you consider to be good examples for white people? I also think that it might just be a comment on how few shows there have been that represent non whites that I had to go back so many years, and not that all the others have been poor influences.

Rap? Probably not because that is the culture of it no matter what your colour is. The fact that you consider all blacks to be ingrained in rap and gangster culture is a racist comment. Gangs are not just a black problem. The problem lies more with socio economic issues, as well as gentrification. But it appears to be much easier to just blame it on the colour of ones skin.

Some positive influences of black celebrities and athletes are
Calais Campbell
LeBron James
Chance the Rapper
Usher
John Legend
Little Nas X
Denzel Washington
Angela James
Sha'Carri Richardson (even with the pot thing, she's still a symbol of success and it's not like the Canadian snowboarding team didn't have issues with pot in the olympics as well)
Simone Biles
Serena Williams
Fred VanVleet
Chuck D
Samuel L. Jackson
Will Smith

There are a lot more, but I think this should illustrate the point that a person can find good role models if they are looking for them. The same as seeing poor role models. There are many, many shitty non black celebs out there too. Making it about race contributes to racism.

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Sure thing chomo

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I wonder whose sock you are?

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Stay away from those playgrounds now freak

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I have not insulted you. We have a difference of opinion and your response is to call me a child molester on a thread which has nothing to do children? Really?

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Your baseless accusations of racism insult me whoever they are aimed at. Intothenight did not insult you and had a difference of opinion yet you seem to think you have carte blanche to accuse people as you like. Suddenly you don't like those rules chomo.

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I've read through some of your posts. You might want to look in the mirror when it comes to your opinions on race as well.

If you cannot see where intothenight's comments are racist, well then I don't know what to say to you. When something is made about race, it is based in racism. I don't care who you are. We all have made racist comments in our lives, as we all have biases. It's learning to recognize when we make those comments that turns us from being a racist, to having a lapse in judgement. Your response to me in accusing me of child molestation is really sick, immature, and also shows me that you have no valid response to anything that I have said.

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Oh boohoo the chomo doesn't like being called a chomo, why don't you go and have the big cry about it?
BTW I am using the same standard of evidence that you do when you call people racist ie fuck all standards.

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To quote you "White supremacist" just means "productive member of society" at this point, the accusation has lost all of it's former sting thanks to windowlickers like you.

LMAO at all the black fragility posts ITT

Also, on a Bill Cosby thread about giving Quaaludes to underage girls you said So you agree there was no real proof then

And then you have the nerve to call me a child molester? I think you are just projecting at this point.

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I think I don't care if your feelings are hurt chomo and if you think quoting me counts as any kind of argument you're even more retarded than I thought. I know what I said, I made the posts. It's not a secret. I don't care if fragile black people had their booty blasted. And if you have evidence of Cosby drugging underage girls then present it or GTFO

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Oh my feelings are not hurt.

I'm just letting you show what sort of person you are.

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I'm not the kind of person who needs to cherry pick quotes to "win" an argument on the internet.

"White supremacist" just means "productive member of society" at this point, the accusation has lost all of it's former sting thanks to windowlickers like you. Going to your job on time is "white supremacy", having a 2 parent household is "white supremacy", the news sharing an article about a missing social media vanlifer is "white supremacy"

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edit due to my spanky mouse click

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Fucking liberals and their "micro aggressions". Bunch of fuckin' pansies.

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So how most people live? How did you ever come up with such an original idea?🤦🏻‍♀️

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Actually majority of blacks are now raised in single mother households. It's called statistics and it's considered a science.

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Well, if you wanna talk stats, it’s Americans that have the problem. More single parent households than any other country and almost 3x the rate of most other countries.

Nigeria, for example, which is a mostly Black population, only has 4% of households being single parents. Compared to 23% in the USA.

Also, even in the USA, 42% is single moms are white, and 28% are Black. Soooooo perhaps you should revisit your ‘stats’.

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But blacks only make up 14% of the American population.....So how about looking at the very 'stats' you bemoan (instead of your false equivalence?)

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Yeah, America is awful. Please tell the everyone to stay away from here.

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Actually they aren't, and single parent households are in every culture, even among white people. It's never been just a "black" thing, but you racists love to think that it is,

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Nice strawman, no-one said it was just a black thing. Address the overrepresentation of single black mothers or have your opinion discarded.

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Oh, do you mean Denzel Washington and Pauletta Pearson who have been happily married since 1983, or Will Smith and Jada Pinkett-Smith married since 1997, or Angela Bassett and Courtney B. Vance also married since 1997, or LeBron James and Savannah Brinson highschool sweethearts married since 2013.. all with children raised in loving, stable, caring homes. Are those the black celebrities setting such a bad example for black youth?

And who are you comparing them to? Excellent white role models like Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee?

Yeah, once again you make such a fine, well-educated point.

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Showing your age with those examples mate.

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I’m not your mate.

And at least I provided examples, as opposed to you who just broadly insinuated that all black celebrities are bad role models.

You know, the worst type of racist is one who pretends they are not. That just makes you a racist AND a fucking coward.

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The worst kind of racist is actually the one who lynches another person because of the color of their skin.

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Your examples are anecdotal and nonsensical.

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All examples are anecdotal. And how are they nonsensical when they specifically refer to happy, stable families and it was those values the OP was suggesting that black celebrities don’t promote?

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The OP did not state that there are no positive role models in the black community. He made a (very valid) point that the message in most rap songs, and coming from most black celebrities, is not a positive one. Anyone can cherrypick a few examples contrary to nearly any point someone makes. Even your examples include Lebron James who, despite being married to his high school sweetheart for 8 years, is an ignorant man-child who spouts racist nonsense on the regular.

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Again, he provided no examples at all, just took the opportunity to insinuate something negative about black people. Which he does constantly. I don’t know if you’re familiar with his “work” here but if you are I find it hard to understand why you would go into bat for him unless you also harbour similar prejudices. If you do, I don’t think we’ve got much more to discuss.

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I have no idea who he is, or what he's written before, so he may be full of horrible ideas, but I don't see anything wrong with his post here.

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Thank you Filmbuff, your views are sage and most welcomed.

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No, LeBron James is not an "ignorant man-child". He's a successful businessman and athlete who started a school for kids. You only hate him because he didn't like trump, and said so, which he had has every right to do. Only you have called him an "ignorant man-child", which he is not---that's exactly what trump is, and always as been. And btw, every rap song is not about guns or violence----there are plenty of rappers who don't even rap about all that, and there are positive rap songs, too. The OP obviously dosen't know that there have been plenty of shows featuring positive black role models for years---The Cosby Show, A Different World, and Black-ish. Unless the OP has been in a cave for the past 40 years, him/her acting like a positive show about a black family is something new is just plain weird.

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I had no idea what Lebron's opinion is/was of Trump. I dislike him because he is an ignorant man-child. He's been adored and deferred to for his entire life, and has no idea whatsoever how the world works, but he pontificates on matters beyond his scope as if he's an educated man. He should stick to losing championships, because that's all he's good at doing.

Besides that, I can almost guarantee I know far, far more about hip hop than you ever will.

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LeBron opened up a school for troubled kids which he runs--and as an American citizen who works and pays taxes, he has every right to comment on some things. You just think he shouldn't comment on simply because he's a black ball player, yet white ball players and white people in general spout off about whatever the hell they want, whether they know whatever the hell they're talking about or not----like all these crazy-a** white anti-vaxxers. trump was the biggest known overgrown rich spoiled-a**--as-hell man-child ever---couldn't take any kind of criticism, and never knew when to shut the hell up, even when he didn't know what the fck he was talking about---which was, let's face it, most of the damn time, and every time he opened his ignorant loud-a** know-nothing mouth.

I also know more about hip-hop then you ever will. I was listening to it before you were born---when only a few rap sons were played on the radio, and long before the term "hip-hop" even existed. So don't even try to come at me on that level.

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Race has nothing to do with it. You're throwing it in there for no reason. And I stand by my statement that you don't know hip hop like I do.

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Yeah, right, whatever. Who cares.

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There is absolutely nothing racist (by the rational, pre-woke definition of the term) about the OP's original comment. It actually expresses, hope, optimism, empathy, and general positivity toward black people, which is the opposite of racism.

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Cheers mate, much appreciated.

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It would give them a chance to hear great black 19650s songs,such as Chambers Brothers "Time has cme Today"(LONG album version preferably,please..)..thrilling, relevant, and trippy (album version..).>Smokey, SUpremes,etc.

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shiieeeeeeet but theyz waz kangz in shiiiieeeet before being sent ova here. kangz dont hold down families they sleep around with as much strange as possiblizzles in da nizzzlez #kanglife

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Tbh I don't see the correlation between African-American based family shows, which are not rare, with the messaging found in African-American rap music.

Also, some AA rappers have some pretty good messaging (for example Lauryn Hill), not to mention that many rappers who use crass lyrics and adopt a persona when performing often have kids and stable families and are nothing like their alter egos off stage.

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That's true. Plus all rappers are not "gangsta' rappers", and they don't all rap about the same exact things, either. There are even Christian rappers, who rap without any cussing and use hip-hop to praise God, and offer advice on how to stay on the straight and narrow. And, yeah, like you said, some of these rapper's "gangster" personal are just fake as a 3-dollar bill. Some of them only put on those fake gangster personas to sell more CDs, to be honest. I wish Lauryn Hill had put out more releases, since she was both a great singer and a rapper, and she had a lot of great messages on The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, which is a genuine classic hip-hop R&B album. That being said, rap is just as diverse as many other genres of popular music still are.

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Yeah, rap is much broader than people think it is. As for Lauryn Hill, I think she had like 6 kids, so I understand why she kinda eased out of the music scene - but I miss her and her type of rap. That said, she did feature on Nas's album recently so that was fun.

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To the OP:

Guess what? All black people do not take their cues for life from hip-hop. For some of us, it's just another genre of music, not a lifestyle. Plenty of black families are together, and don't fit whatever stupid stereotypes you think black people fit. And exactly what "messages" are black youth being sent today? You do know that all black youth, and black people in general, don't even think alike or even agree on the same things? Just like white people don't all agree on the same damn things simply because they're white. There are white households (some of them pretty f***ed up) that aren't run by two parents, and plenty of white single parents. Go lecture to white people in their communities think about not taking al that damn opiod and f**king killing themselves because they're depressed over being laid off due to Covid, or because they got covid or whatever. Black people already know what our issues are, and don't need condescending lectures from white trolls who only like bashing black people to make themselves feel superior.

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