Before Sam is closing the door at the ending, he looks up! And what is there? For something around 3 sec there is seenable a fire detector! IT IS BROKEN! Someone smashed it, but why ? And who did it?
If the fire detector would be fine ( i mean that someone wouldn't smash it ), then all of the family would be still alive.
Hah yeah! I remember I thought "Wtf is it like that..?" but then I got caught up in his sister dying and forgot all about it until I read what you wrote.
This proofs the fire was set for some reason by someone.
Ah man my mind is a little paradoxial (new verb everyone) already after watching the movie so I'll get back to you about this.
Who would benefit of his sister dying or even do such a thing in the first place or did the person who did it have a completly other intent?
All I'll say for now is that this is such a huge cliffhanger, gah!
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I noticed that too, it seems like it should have been cut out of the movie. Almost as though it took a new angle midway through the movie.
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As someone posted it, maybe it was Sam's daughter. She knew that if her father saved Jenna (his sister), she wouldnt have born.
shareWhile the ending may make it seem like it, I don't see how Sams daughter could have jump back to a time before she was born and do something about it. This ability is limited to ones past or she could theoretically jump back to the stone age.
So I'm going to think outside the box and say that since this ability appears to be hereditary, it was the father who did it. Maybe in the original time line, the fire didn't happen and Jenna grows up to be a serial killer so the father goes back in time to start the fire, break the detector and kill her... but what he hadn't expected was that Sam had the ability and stepped in to save her and got the parents killed instead thus preventing them to alter time any further. It makes sense too because the parents didn't really bother to save her, if there were a fire, a real father would have asked the son to guide the mother out of the house and he would go get the daughter himself.
not really, look at the intro scene to the movie. Sam jumped to a point outside his personal timeline (the mother getting bludgeoned). In fact in hindsight he does a lot of that. Basically the 3rd film threw out the rules they had established for this version of time travel. From what I saw, they could jump into any part in time now, so it could be possible for the daughter to jump into any time point she wanted.
shareAbout Sam's daughter, she could not be the one who caused the fire, because these "special" people can jump in their own life only. I guess. Who caused the fire then? Sam of course. In an alternative life he found out somehow what is his sister like, and he jumped back to kill her with the fire. And of course when it happend, he did not know, why she should have died, that is why he saved her afterwards. Anyway. This part was better than the second movie, it is just my opinion.
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gee everyone is sure speculating. Of course it was not Sam. He'd be creating his own paradox. Starting the fire and saving Jenna gives her the saviour complex that turns her into a serial killer. Not starting the fire would create no such complex and everything would be happy and dandy. If Sam was the pyro which option would he pick?
Jenna (elder) creating the fire? No. How would the original time line of Jenna dying have existed in the first place before Sam went back the first time to save her.
We only have what evidence there is in the film. Maybe I missed something but I see no evidence for the statement that "people can only jump in their own life only". The film doesn't make it clear whether sam jumps into a younger version of himself or at his current age, or whether there are two sams or one.
Personally I think the evidence is in favour of 2 sams. Why? Early in the film Jenna questions sams ability to get to the shed and get the ladder and return in the time he did. Travelling back to the party where the cop and his wife met implies its to a younger version; however, there's the weird flickering thing when he's holding the door shut at the end. Maybe this is just for dramatic effect, maybe the directors are trying to hint at something like there being a meld between the two sams. In the case of this latter bit of my own speculation, Jenna (jr.) would very likely be the pyro the last seen of her burning a very Jenna (sr.) looking doll making a strong implication.
Of course the smoke alarm could be broken because some random pyro with intent to kill torched the place and Jenna (jr.) being a pyro is just part of wrapping it back on the fatalistic theme of fixing it making it worse.
Be a lot easier to poison her, and you don't leave yourself homeless.
shareThat would explain Sam's child Jenna grilling a doll on the BBQ!!! Symbolic!
shareWow, I didn't noticed the fire alarm. Now that I know about it, this is indeed a huge plot hole. Well, just a shot at the dark here, i'm guessing that their parents (either or both) can probably jump too. They've probably seen Jenna in the future that she was pretty messed up and turn into some kind of serial killer. Well, I guess we will just have to keep on guessing on this one until someone from the film crew/staff (director, writer, etc.) officially states their word on this one.
shareduh, Jenna disabled the fire alarm so that Sam would save her and her parents would die and she could have him all to herself.
shareit is definitely a huge plot hole, it could not have been anyone that wanted the sister to die
THE ONLY REASON THE SISTER BECAME A SERIAL KILLER IS BECAUSE SAM SAVED HER AND THAT HAS MADE HER INFATUATED WITH HIM. NONE OF THIS INCEST OR MURDERS WOULDVE HAPPENED IF THE FIRE DIDNT EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I was thinking Sam caused the fire. His sister said, "didn't you cause the fire." She was probably crazy regardless of the fire and he went back to kill her and somehow ended up not killing her but killing his parents instead. Then at the end he succeeds in killing her. Or maybe they just took the batteries out like I did mine so it would stop going off while I was cooking :)
shareMaybe the whole movie was set in the past and grown up daughter jenna (Sam's daughter) went back in time and started the fire. Hence why she's burn the Barbie and etc. That's my new theory: The movie is set in the past and Sam's future daughter went back in time and broke the fire alarm hoping it would kill Jenna.
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i think the only reason they show the jacked up fire alarm is to say "this is why people weren't able to get out in time on their own." lots of people take their alarms down when they go off accidentally from cooking and i'm thinking that's the only thing that makes sense here.
shareThat's probably the best explanation-- that it's there to explain why they didn't get out sooner. The only thing I have to add is that the sister is probably the one who broke it. She's shown smoking as an adult, so maybe she was smoking as a kid, and it set off the detector, and smashing it was the only thing she knew to do. An adult would know how to disable it by taking it down and removing the batteries. We do it when we're frying food, then put them back in, because our detector is too sensitive.
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