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Just Remember-Moore 's Net Worth Over $50 Mil


Food for thought. He's in about the top one-tenth of one percent of earners in America.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2011/10/28/michael_moore_hypocrite_an d_liar_266329.html

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What does that have to do with an issue with Capitalism?

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And who is who?





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That really doesn't mean anything. It's one thing with Hollywood actors and actresses who got filthy rich and then just decided to start pretending they care about everyone else, but Michael Moore is different. He's just an ordinary guy who came onto the scene talking about the inequalities and injustices of our society, and his documentaries happened to be a massive hit. I don't think he should keep all that money, I think he could find productive uses for it, but I don't think he's changed either. He's still the same Michael Moore that he was when he made Roger & Me.

This is why I hate the whole "99% and 1%" and "the rich and the poor" thing. It's not about a sliding scale of relative wealth. That obviously can be a factor, but it doesn't have to be. It's about the capitalists (small "c", referring not to the ideology but to the owners of the means of production who profit off the workers' labor) versus the workers. Michael Moore is still a basically ordinary guy who just happened to make some money because his documentaries are so massively popular. He isn't sitting there raking in cash from the labor of 11-year-old wage slaves in Colombia to whom he gives mere pennies for working 14 hours a day.

Michael Moore has some money of his own (it's unfortunate but it's not that big a deal in his case), but he's not one of them. He's on our side.

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You are implying you hold intimate knowledge concerning Moore

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If he's able to make a profit from the system then it's a sign that capitalism works.

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Yeah, and the millions of starving people and dozens of countries whose people are living miserably under Capitalism don't put a dent in that at all. You say one guy making money means Capitalism works... I say millions of hungry people when there is plenty of food, millions of homeless people when there are plenty of houses, millions of people needlessly sick with diseases that could easily be treated with medicine that is available, BILLIONS of people who are miserably poor even though their labor produces immense wealth, means Capitalism DOES NOT WORK.

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Millions more suffered from socialism.

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Um, that's your rebuttal? The other person points out that capitalism has failed as a way of elevating society toward the greater good, and your rebuttal is, "socialism is worse"? Never mind, for the moment, whether your statement is born completely out of ignorance (I would tend toward that myself because of your incorrect tense usage, signifying you have no idea what you are talking about and are likely just spewing forth crap you heard on television or the radio without actually applying any mental effort of your own), has a grain of truth, or is truth. That is completely irrelevant to my query. My query is: do you honestly think that is a logical rejoinder to the original assertion?

Saying raccoon feces tastes worse than deer feces does not actually negate the fact that deer feces tastes awful.

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Moore would be still a millionnaire in a social democratic society.
Your argument is made of american brainwashed propaganda.

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What is a social democratic society?

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Socialism and Communism arent the same things.
Socialdemocracy is the system in scandinavian countries.

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Oh my god, who cares about Socialism and Communism??!! That's not even the point of the OP's post. You people drag Socialism, Communism and Capitalism into every discussion on this board even when it doesn't call for it.

In response to the OP, does it really matter? At least he's trying to help. At least he cares enough to do this, to film people losing their jobs/homes and letting them speak into the camera for millions to see. If he didnt do it, who would(in such a large scale)?? And if he doesn't make money, then he can't make another movie because hello movies cost money!!!

That is why so many people that he critizes and shows in his movies (in this case the wealthy government officials and CEOs) don't like him and actually encourage people to not go see his movies or even pay attention to him. They want him to not only go away and make sure people can't hear the truth, but also make sure he doesn't make money to make any more documentaries.

Why do think this was R rated? They only said like 2 F-bombs. in this day and age that would've only gotten a film a PG-13 rating.

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You people drag Socialism, Communism and Capitalism into every discussion on this board even when it doesn't call for it.


Really? How can it not be called for when talking about a film entitled "Capitalism - A love story"?


The thing is that, IMO, Americans have these weird, kneejerk-reactions when someone drops the term "socialism". Most of them don't even know what that term means. Most of them don't make a distinction between communism, socialism or a social democratic system. Heck, most don't even make a distinction between systems of government (democracy, monarchy, etc.) and economic systems (socialism, communism, capitalism, etc.). Anything that's not "capitalism" seems to conjure up images of troops goose-stepping through red square in a 1st of May parade.


As pointed out here before: Moore doesn't help things when he concludes "I want to replace capitalism with democracy". That's like saying: "I want to replace my car's gas-guzzling engine with an automatic transmission".. it just doesn't make sense. He should've said: "I want to replace the unchecked, cut-throat capitalist system of the US with a social market economy".

To his credit: He did say so indirectly during the film when he brought up FDR's proposed second Bill of Rights. He just didn't seem to dare to include the term "social" in his closing sentence.

BTW: If you don't know the term:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soziale_Marktwirtschaft

Mind you: While I would call it "more fair" than the US-system, it's far from the perfect system that Moore depicts it as.


One of the main problems with the US-system is this (and Moore does touch on it): Free Enterprise/free markets are seen as the be all and end all of an economic system - when in fact they are the root of the trouble. The market doesn't have magical properties.. it won't somehow "make it all perfect" if you just leave it alone. Quite the opposite it true, IMO. That's like adopting the political system of a dictatorship, hoping that you'll only get benevolent dictators who will use the immense power of their position to do good.

People (generally speaking) are motivated by egotism and personal greed, not by the desire to help their fellow man or by the desire to look out for the less-fortunate. It's just in our nature. Hence you need to regulate any system where people get together and trade. Otherwise you'll basically get what the US have today: 1% of the population owning 95% of the country's wealth... using that wealth to make sure they stay filthy rich and to ensure that the system is rigged in their favor.


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There are no multi millionaire directors in Europe. They all come here to get rich.

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Moore didn't scam people out of their money.

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He's such a hypocrite Michael Moore He hates rich people while this idiot has $50 Million Dollars. Wonder if he hates himself since he's so rich? wish Obama would tax him and take away $25 Million from this jerk or I hope his soon to be ex-wife gets half of his fortune. he's the biggest hypocrite in the world.

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