Moore enthusiasts please debate
So the truth is out. $50 million and owns 9 houses...yet he despises capitalism. Irony at its finest. So Liberals can be in the 1% as long as republicans are no where near it?
shareSo the truth is out. $50 million and owns 9 houses...yet he despises capitalism. Irony at its finest. So Liberals can be in the 1% as long as republicans are no where near it?
shareHow is this relevant? It's such a lazy argument. How does Moore benefiting from capitalism mean he can't be critical of it? If he gave all his money away tomorrow it wouldn't do a jot to bring down capitalism.
His continued work and productivity defy capitalist principle. As do the actions of so many others, from multi-millionaire actors, to writers, to nurses, to research scientists. All who continue to be productive regardless of how much money they make.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_motive
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpUWrl3-mc8
Did he move factories offsoil to minimize production costs? Did he shut down the main industry of whole cities and cause them to wither and die? Did he cut benefits and freeze wages in order to maximize profits? NO, NO, and NO.
Just bc he's made money as a filmmaker, you're equating him with all the corporations who have the done the above and are thus negating his argument. Since you've completely missed the whole point of his film, I'll state it for you: Capitalism at the expense of people's well-being is not a good thing and it is the ruination of America.
Would it be fair to assume that bc you're attacking the messenger, that you disagree with his message? Are you on the side of the companies whose actions bankrupt families, foreclose houses, etc etc etc etc? Are you in favour of the widening gap between rich and poor?
Did he cut benefits and freeze wages in order to maximize profits?
This is directly from your link...
"For all of the different jobs on the movie that could have used union labor, he used union labor, except for one job, the stagehands, represented by IATSE," said a labor source unauthorized to talk about Moore's decision not to hire members of The International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees.
This is directly from your link...
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"For all of the different jobs on the movie that could have used union labor, he used union labor, except for one job, the stagehands, represented by IATSE," said a labor source unauthorized to talk about Moore's decision not to hire members of The International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees.
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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but that poorly written first line says they did use union labor except for one job, stage hands. (4 commas in the first sentence is a bit much, lol).
But even if it were all non-union people......It's not like they were foreigners making $0.03 a day. They were Americans, probably still making halfway decent money.
And I doubt very seriously there was a single stage hand for the whole movie.
On the other hand, Moore's agent said (in the same link): the filmmaker wished the union included more documentary crew people -- but he did not deny that IATSE members were snubbed in favor of non-union employees.
Stage hand is a job title, it does not mean there was only 1 stage hand on set, lol.
What's wrong with him wanting DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKERS to work on his DOCUMENTARY? Making narrative features is a completely different skillset than making documentaries. I shouldn't even have to tell you that.
Yeah but you said "one job". In fact, we could be talking about a number of jobs.
one job, stage hands.
So what is his excuse on the TV Nation example I brought up?
Nice try, but I actually said...
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one job, stage hands.
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Notice the "s" at the end of "hands". That means more than one.
You guys try to make it sound like the whole damn crew was non-union foreigners getting paid $0.03 a day and that was simply not the case.
Do you mean that 2000 page article you linked for me to read? I skimmed it for a few minutes it was mostly about one of his performances. Don't care enough to read the rest. Keep it lean and mean if you want me to humor you. So you'll just have to ask Michael Moore about that as I don't really know much about it so I'm going to refrain from commenting on it. All I know is I saw something in the first link you posted and I commented on it (and it only).
I'm not even a Michael Moore fan, but I feel he is necessary to offset the BS coming from the right (people who do the exact same thing as Moore, but scream bloody murder when he does it).
You argue like my dad. You switch topics as soon as you feel your ship is starting to sink. Do they teach you that in conservative arguing school? I showed you how your first link was misleading. If you want to go off the rails onto another topic you'll have to do so with someone else
Good GOD what a lazy argument. I'd call it intellectually dishonest, but really it's just lazy.
PLEASE LISTEN CLOSELY..........
Liberals don't have a problem with rich people! Many, many liberals are rich themselves. Liberals have a problem with GREEDY people. With SELF-SERVING (especially at the cost of others) people.
I love how the OP wanted people to debate him yet never came back. That is a true sign of a man that wants nothing to do with an actual debate. He just wants to say his uninformed drunken rant.......and then leave.
shareDo you think it's hypocritical any time a liberal is successful? Was he supposed to be bad at his job just b/c of his political views? LOL
What a stupid argument you made.