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Other movies that deal with English football history?


I just started watching English football about 5 seasons ago.
Raised in the US, I never really experienced soccer as a child and I only watched it during the World Cup. Then one day I picked up a videogame called Winning eleven (or Pro Evolution....whichever) and I feel in love with the game. I immediately started watching the EPL and I have ever since.

I know that English football has a long and rich history. Coming to the sport only recently, I missed pretty much all of it.

I loved The Damned United because it showed me a bit of the history of the sport.
Are there any other movies that deal with the history of English football?

I have seen a few movies that deal with football firms (Football Factory, The Firm, Green Street Holigans), and I enjoyed most of them. And I would really love to see some more movies dealing with the game and its history.

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Theres a list of available football movies here
http://www.sportsinmovies.com/soccer-movies.asp

A notable omissions is 'The Arsenal Stadium Mystery'
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arsenal-Stadium-Mystery-DVD/dp/B0009PZ88A

'The Damned United' is an entertaining yarn, but it's not really history as many facts have been altered by the screenwriters for 'artistic' purposes. Take a look at the goofs section!

There haven't been that many good movies about the history of football to be honest, so you would be better off reading about it.

Try to get hold of a copy of Rogan Taylor's 'Kicking & Screaming', which features interviews with players from the 1940's onwards. It was made into a TV documentary, but it didn't get released on VHS or DVD and the book is out of print (though you can get it second hand on Amazon.co.uk)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kicking-Screaming-History-Football-England/dp/1861050623

Some good news though - the National Football Museum are in the process of making all the interviews available. http://www.nationalfootballmuseum.com/pages/news/latest/kickingandscreamingaug09.html

If you are looking for an insight into the game in the 1970's, you can't go wrong with 'The Glory Game' by Hunter Davies.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Glory-Game-British-Football-Mainstream/dp/1840182423/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268038426&sr=8-1

In the 1971-72 season, Davies was allowed unrestricted access to Tottenham Hotspur football club, documenting the day to day running of the club, the lives of the star players of the time as well as looking at the fans, directors and the management team. It's a fascinating read and in reference to 'The Damned United', there is a chapter where Tottenham visit Don Revie's Leeds which paints a very different picture to the malicious one created by 'Damned United' screenwriter Peter Morgan.

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Further to LtColonelBartlett's reply, movies are not the best way to learn about the history of the game, as Bartlett rightly pointed out, however, there have been a number of documentaries on the history of the game available on video tape / DVD. HISTORY OF FOOTBALL: THE BEAUTIFUL GAME is a 13 part series, that looks at the history of the game around the world. The series is available in a 7 disc box set, with each of the 13 parts running for approx 52 minutes each. There is also the similarly titled HISTORY OF FOOTBALL: CENTURY OF FOOTBALL, this runs for nearly two hours and is mostly about the history of the game in Britain. Then there's WEMBLEY: THE VENUE OF LEGENDS 1923-2000 which runs for over two hours and looks at games at England's national stadium. The last few minutes looks briefly at other events held at the stadium.

Amongst my video tape collection is THE PEOPLE’S GAME a double tape with three 50 minute episodes. Also 100 YEARS OF THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE, THE OFFICIAL HISTORY OF THE FA CUP 1872-1992 and THE OFFICIAL HISTORY OF THE ENGLAND FOOTBALL TEAM. A lot of Football Clubs have also released official histories.

Regarding books on the game, I have around 2,000 football books in my own personal collection. I do like reading about the history of the game. For a long time it was a popular belief that Public School boys in England 'civilised' the working man's game of football. However, there have been books in recent years that have challenged this myth, and say that it was the working classes themselves who civilised the game. Among these are FOOTBALL’S SECRET HISTORY (2001) John Goulstone, FOOTBALL: THE FIRST HUNDRED YEARS - THE UNTOLD STORY (2005) Adrian Harvey and BEASTLY FURY: THE STRANGE BIRTH OF BRITISH FOOTBALL (2009) Richard Sanders. Beastly Fury even shows how the Public School boys were the ones who were actually the uncivilised ones. Another good read is THE CODE WAR: ENGLISH FOOTBALL UNDER THE HISTORICAL SPOTLIGHT (1994) Graham Williams, it shows how football and rugby went their seperate ways. For anyone interested in the early history of the game, I recommend all of these. From an international perspective, 100 YEARS OF FOOTBALL: THE FIFA CENTENNIAL BOOK (2004) Pierre Lanfanchi, Christiane Eisenberg, Tony Mason & Alfred Wahl, is also a good read.

Some of the classics of football literature include: THE SOCCER SYNDROME: FROM THE PRIMEVAL FORTIES (1966) John Moynihan, THE FOOTBALL MAN: PEOPLE AND PASSIONS IN SOCCER (1968) Arthur Hopcraft, THE GLORY GAME (1972) Hunter Davies and ONLY A GAME? THE DIARY OF A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALLER (1976) Eamon Dunphy. All excellent reads. Modern classics include: FEVER PITCH: THE STORY OF FOOTBALL AND OBSESSION (1992) Nick Hornby, FOOTBALL AGAINST THE ENEMY (1994) Simon Kuper, KICKING & SCREAMING: AN ORAL HISTORY OF FOOTBALL IN ENGLAND (1995) Rogan Taylor & Andrew Ward, THE FAR CORNER: A MAZY DRIBBLE THROUGH NORTH EAST FOOTBALL (1997) Harry Pearson, CORNER FLAGS & CORNER SHOPS: THE ASIAN FOOTBALL EXPERIENCE (1998) Jas Bains & Sanjiev Johal and PARKLIFE: A SEARCH FOR THE HEART OF FOOTBALL (1999) Nick Varley, all these are excellent also. A couple of these were also recommended by Bartlett.

For the statistician there are football yearbooks, ROTHMANS / SKY SPORT FOOTBALL YEARBOOK is still THE yearbook to get. I have all 42 editions of these. But the daddy of them all is THE ATHLETIC NEWS / SUNDAY CHRONICLE / EMPIRE NEWS / NEWS OF THE WORLD / NATIONWIDE FOOTBALL ANNUAL. There have been 125 editions, I have 67 in my collection. Another collectable one is the PLAYFAIR FOOTBALL ANNUAL, there have been 64 editions, I only have 32 in my collection.

Good football encyclopedias / reference books include: PURNELL’S ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL (1972) Norman S. Barrett (Ed), ENCYCLOPEDIA OF BRITISH FOOTBALL (1974) Phil Soar & Martin Tyler, THE HAMLYN A-Z OF BRITISH FOOTBALL RECORDS (1981) Phil Soar and ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL (4 vols) (1960) Howard Fabian & Geoffrey Green (Eds), a bit dated but still very good. More international ones include ENCYCLOPEDIA OF WORLD FOOTBALL (1980) Phil Soar, Martin Tyler & Richard Widdows, THE COMPLETE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF FOOTBALL (1998) Keir Radnedge and THE GUINNESS RECORD OF WORLD SOCCER (1992) Guy Oliver.

Classic football club histories include: THE STORY OF THE RANGERS 1873-1923 (1923) John Allan, THE HISTORY OF BLACKBURN ROVERS FOOTBALL CLUB 1875-1925 (1925) Charles Francis, THE ROMANCE OF THE WEDNESDAY 1867-1926 (1926) Richard A. Sparling, HISTORY OF THE EVERTON FOOTBALL CLUB 1878/79-1928/29 (1929) Thomas Keates, THE STORY OF THE CELTIC: A JUBILEE HISTORY 1888-1938 (1939) Willie Maley, THERE’S ONLY ONE UNITED: THE OFFICIAL CENTENARY HISTORY OF MANCHESTER UNITED 1878-1978 (1978) Geoffrey Green, AND THE SPURS GO MARCHING ON...: THE OFFICIAL CENTENARY HISTORY OF TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR FOOTBALL CLUB (1982) Phil Soar, THE GLORY AND THE DREAM: THE HISTORY OF CELTIC FC 1887-1986 (1986) Tom Campbell & Pat Woods, MILLWALL: LIONS OF THE SOUTH (1988) James Murray and not forgetting my own favourite club, THE BRISTOL BABE: THE FIRST 100 YEARS OF BRISTOL CITY FC (1994) David M. Woods.

There's been a lot of crap football autobiographies / biographies, fortunately though there has also been some goods one. Among the good ones are FATHER OF FOOTBALL: THE STORY OF SIR MATT BUSBY (1970) David Miller, "THIS ONE’S ON ME" (1979) Jimmy Greaves & Norman Giller, KICKED INTO TOUCH (1981) Fred Eyre, FOOTBALL WIZARD: THE BILLY MEREDITH STORY (1986) John Harding, ALEX JAMES: LIFE OF A FOOTBALL LEGEND (1988) John Harding, STANLEY MATTHEWS: THE AUTHORISED BIOGRAPHY (1989) David Miller, LEFT FOOT FORWARD: A YEAR IN THE LIFE OF A JOURNEYMAN FOOTBALLER (1995) Garry Nelson & Anthony Fowles, TALES FROM THE BOOT CAMPS (1997) Steve Claridge & Ian Ridley and ADDICTED (1998) Tony Adams & Ian Ridley.

An unusual book was THE SOCCER TRIBE (1981) Desmond Morris. Desmond, of course, is famous for his studies on human behaviour. He was a director of Oxford United and wrote an interesting study. A couple of books that looks into corruption at FIFA are HOW THEY STOLE THE GAME (1999) David Yallop and FOUL!: THE SECRET WORLD OF FIFA - BRIBES, VOTE RIGGING AND TICKET SCANDALS (2006) Andrew Jennings, very interesting books.

These are just a small selection from my collection, recommended for anyone interested in learning more about the history of the game.

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Those Glory Glory Days, this film is set in the 1960's and is about a girl who follows Tottenham Hotspurs during their double winning year. The "Double" is when a team wins both the league and the FA Cup in the same season, and Spurs were the first team to do it. It even stars Danny Blanchflower as himself, a legend! Im not sure if its on DVD, but its a brilliant football film. Look it up on IMDB.

The Arsenal Stadium Mystery, This is set in the 40's and is another great film about football. Again details are on IMDB. This film is available on dvd.

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'Those Glory Glory Days' is on DVD (region 2) as part of the '4film' collection.
It's also avaiable on region 1. By the way Thed, Spurs were the first to win the double in the 20th century, but not the first to do it - Preston North End & Aston Villa had done in once each in the late19th Century.

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It's a TV play from the 1960's and not on DVD at the moment, but do a google search for 'The Golden Vision'. Its a fly on the wall style drama about a bunch of football obsessed Everton fans led by Ken Jones & Bill Dean but it also includes interviews with members of the Everton squad of the time including Alex (The Golden Vision) Young, Brian Labone & Ray Wilson.

I also recommend 'The Saturday Men', a short documentary film looking at the players of West Bromwich Albion football club in the early 1960's including a young Bobby Robson & Don Howe.
This is available on region 2 DVD

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Saturday-Men-DVD/dp/B001SZRM8Y

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Thanks for the suggestions.
I haven't checked this thread in a couple weeks.

Great to see some replies.

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There is a film about George Best though i'm not sure if its very good. Think its called 'Best'.

I'm pretty sure you can pick up DVDs about the Premier League, they're not films but they definately help if you want to know about its history.

Over here in the UK they show hour long series of 'Premier league 92/93 season" etc. for every season in the premier league since its inception, on Sky Sports. They may show stuff for you on ESPN classic?

Or you could buy a Ryan Giggs autobiography as he's one of the few players still in the Premier league since 1991 when it started.

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hey guys can any one suggest me a movie about Manchester United's history

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by nikurocky
hey guys can any one suggest me a movie about Manchester United's history

There was a BBC drama about the Busby Babes starring ex-Doctor Who David Tennant called 'United' on recently. Tennant played Busby's assistant Jimmy Murphy - despite looking nothing like him!
it was fairly well received, but Matt Busby's son was upset with how his father was represented and was angry that the BBC hadn't bothered to contact the Busby family.

***The only programme I'm likely to get on is the ------- news!***

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