1. That is YOUR claim. You have done nothing to back it up. I have pointed to the literally THOUSANDS of years of European monarch who had no ability to project power to a place with pocs. It is also worth noting that quite a lot of the myths and archtypes that you cite, were from the OLDER period, when that was the case. King Arthur for example, the guy that was the basis for him, would have been lucky to have a boat that could reach FRANCE, let alone Africa.
2, Sure, "othering", or what ever you want to call it. It is bigger than race. It is also bigger than slavery. "Othering" does not require slavery as a goal. It nearly always happens when you have any two groups in conflict. Hell, people being ATTACKED, "other" the attackers, to morally ease teh violence to be done against their attackers.
3. Sure it does. NOt everything is about them or their story.
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Wint3rFir3 (7188)
a year ago
"Not everything is about them or their story" - no one said it is. What I am saying is, sci-fi is a genre built on colonization and slavery is a big part of that. Plus, if you're making a series or film about, say, time travelling back into America's past and ignore racism, you're ignoring history. People who claim to hate race-swapping in period dramas always seem to have a problem with historical accuracy, but no problem ignoring a huge chunk of a period's history so long as it isn't excluding whites, but whether you care to admit it or not, for a good part of a lot of most western countries' history, poc have been enslaved.
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Corbell (10995)
a year ago
You claim no one said that everyone has to be "about them or their story", then IMMEDIATELY state that ANY AND EVERY TIME TRAVEL STORY that goes into America's past and "ignores racism" is "ignoring history".
That's bullshit. Stories have limited screen time or pages, authors are not supposed to fill them with shit that doesn't have any payoff in the plot.
If Back to the Past had cut that one line where the one asshole said a racial slur against the black musicians, that movie would still have been great.
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Wint3rFir3 (7188)
a year ago
I made no such claim. I wouldn't expect a film or series about time travelling back to the 1980s to mention racism as much as the 1920s, for example, nor would I expect racism to be at the core of the story. But it is still part of U.S history and to ignore it completely is ignoring something massively integral to the history of the U.S - and why would you want to tell a time travel story about the past of a country without including huge parts of that past? 1900-1939 is literally called the Segregation era. Again, it does not have to be at the heart of the film/series, but to exclude any sign of it is odd, no?
Also, your point about Back to the Past works the other way - having the line in the film doesn't make it automatically bad or a wasted line.
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Corbell (10995)
a year ago
And you did it again. You deny that youa are insisting that every story is about wacism, and then you insist that every story be about wacism.
Lefties are ALL like that. On some level they ALL know the shit they spew, is shit, so they, ie YOU, have to lie in order to even pretend to defend the stupid shit you say or pretend to believe.
My point stands. Not every story is about them. That you want it to be, is you people wanting to ruin EVERYTHING for EVERYONE who is not you or brainwashed into being in lockstep with your stupid agenda.
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Wint3rFir3 (7188)
a year ago
I cannot reiterate this enough, I am not American and this left/right rhetoric is meaningless to me. Please put your pacifier back in every time you consider using that as an insult, it does not strengthen any argument you make in the slightest - not that you're making one, you're baby talking because you have no actual valid response and you have no point, so nothing stands. Weak.
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Corbell (10995)
a year ago
Except that, I made a completely valid argument about what you were doing and why it was wrong.
So, that you ignored that argument to whine about my labeling you, is... clearly just you dodging my point.
My point stands.
Not every story is about them. That you want it to be, is you people wanting to ruin EVERYTHING for EVERYONE who is not you or brainwashed into being in lockstep with your stupid agenda.
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Wint3rFir3 (7188)
a year ago
No you didn't. Your point was and is that racism doesn't have to be the focal point of every story, which it isn't and that's not what I was saying. The fact you keep repeating this ad nauseam means your own words have become meaningless even to yourself.
What I did point out is that if you're setting a story in a racially charged era, then that fact shouldn't be omitted from the era, and that this is done a lot in a genre that focuses on a subject strongly related to racism.
If you're just gonna harp on about "but every story doesn't need to be about racism again" just don't reply.
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Corbell (10995)
a year ago
Except the example you presented of something strongly related to wacism, ie european monarchs, was NOT strongly related to wacism, the moment you thought about it for even a SECOND.
You want to turn EVERYTHING is into a political and cultural battle/propaganda. You don't want to let... normal people have ANY respite from the constant drumbeat of leftard propaganda.
And to be clear, my point is not just that every story doesn't have to have racism be "the focal point", it is that every story, racism doesn't even need to be mentioned at all.
This country has had a bi-partisan consensus on equality for blacks since before I was born. Am I am FAR from young. It is silly the amount of screen time we still spend whining about it.
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