I had to stop watching this film
About 30 minutes give or take I could not watch this any longer b/c the scenes with the children felt like porn.
I thought it was exploitative. Normal kids do not act that way, IMO
About 30 minutes give or take I could not watch this any longer b/c the scenes with the children felt like porn.
I thought it was exploitative. Normal kids do not act that way, IMO
Oh yeah...my husband felt the same way...it was kind of risque...and inappropriate for the young girl to be in her underwear all up under a half naked boy...but...this is something I would like to call desensitizing the masses...get ready for more of this...
shareit's actually sick that you two see it that way. you got dirty minds, but don't want people to know (and/or don't want to admit to yourselves), you hide behind this guise and redirect the attention at the movie itself, saying the movie is in the wrong.
kind of like how a person who farts speaks out asking who farted in a room full of people to divert attention.
kids often go naked on beaches here in europe to change into swim wear and etc. no one ever blinks an eye to that or think anything sexual. but somehow you two think what was shown in the movie is sexual.
if I may Rodeo?? perhaps your issue about interpreting the scene as sex isn't the point of the thread.
possibly, they just felt that scene was written, budgeted, scheduled and the effort made to cast these actors, though still minors, to convey the background relationship between Rebecca and Tommy.
My personal thought? just the times leaving Rebecca in the tub was enough to hold the continuity of time passing while the Copy Tommy set the relationship going forward.
^^^ the original poster already said the scene "felt like porn". it's quite clear.
shareShowing naked children in a movie, in an obviously sexual context, is NOT right. I felt the same way as OP. I wouldn't go as far as to call it porn, but it definitely felt very wrong.
I read about people driving parallels with another movie, "Birth" with Nicole Kidman. The scene where she is in the tub with a 10-year old caused a sort of a scandal, with a lot of criticism, which basically ruined the ratings of an otherwise very well acted film. And I should mention that there was zero nudity in that scene, either child or adult.
Now here we see a 13-year old girl (supposed to be 9 in the film) naked in a tub. We see a 10-year old boy (don't know his real age) naked in a tub, with an adult woman. And I'm saying naked, because there is actual nudity in those scenes. And these are just THE most disturbing scenes.
This is not about whether someone has dirty imagination or not. The OP and me are not saying that we get off those scenes, which would indeed be dirty. But they provide exactly the sort of material that the dirty-minded would get off on. And that is wrong, because it involves children.
Apart from these aspects, the movie was great.
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You seem to mistake the portrayal of child sexuality with portraying them nude. Those are different things. You can do the former, without doing the latter. And it is the explicit child-nudity that I have a problem with.
I agree that kids are sexual beings and they certainly get naked in real life. The question is, why do we need to see this in a movie?
If it were there as a crucial part of the plot, it would be at least worth considering. But in this particular movie, I personally do not see the necessity of those 2 scenes that I mentioned in my previous post. The girl could as well be in her bed, sitting at her desk, or doing something else, while talking on the phone to Tommy. What was the purpose of showing her naked in the bath tub? What value did it add to the plot? In my opinion - none.
In case of the boy in the bath tub with his mother, there was a particular purpose of displaying the unnatural intimacy between them. However, I believe, the same goal could be achieved by eliminating all explicit nudity from the scene.
Although this has nothing to do with the subject of this discussion, and you are obviously regurgitating it just to have something to fume about, I would like to point out: you are talking about "sanitizing" as an evil thing. I do not see it that way. The fact, that certain things are considered inappropriate for children to do/watch/hear, is not preventing them from reaching sexual maturity and identifying their sexual preferences, does it? And there is a reason why you would want to shield kids from certain knowledge and experiences - very few of them would be psychologically ready to learn about such things.
And this has nothing to do with the discussion, because we are talking about a movie that is clearly targeted at adult viewers. So children will not be watching it and learning about their own sexuality.
Finally, I find this particular quote from your post exceptionally disturbing:
"If you are thinking about minor attracted people; they most often see the kids for who they are!"
Seriously? As we all know from personal experiences, kids are sexual beings in the sense that they have curiosity about their own body, bodies of other kids, experience certain urges. This is all natural, because that is how you develop into sexual maturity. This does NOT mean that they can lead a sexually active life. And while I tend to agree that "minor-attracted" people probably do not choose whom or what they are attracted to, neither their involuntary attraction, nor the sexuality in children gives them any right to abuse kids. From the quote above it follows that everybody, who does not find minors sexually attractive, does not see them for what they are? Hm...
In any case, yes, by "dirty-minded" I was referring to such people. Personally, I find it upsetting to think that the mentioned scenes could serve as a porno-material for pedophiles.
And while you are looking forward to "more daring movies with nude kids in them", think about the fact that for that nudity to appear on your screen, it would first have to be filmed in reality. Not saying film-makers are abusive with child-actors, but it certainly is not an idea I am comfortable with.
On a side-note: try to express your opinion without the use of the F-word, exclamations, generalizations like "you people". Apart from being offensive to the person you are addressing, it also shows that you are taking the conversation to emotional/personal level, where this discussion does not belong.
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I just watched this movie and was shocked I even saw this even if it was on Showtime only becuase its kind of a strange taboo subject, 1st cloning and then falling for your clone like an incest thing. I didn't see it as porn at all and I didnt see any real nude shots that mattered. Ive seen more when kids moon each other...lol Like the scene where the mom was in the tub with Tommy the copy. All I saw was his backside..thats it, a butt and the mom had her legs all tucked up and we didnt see any naked parts. I saw more when she breast fed which you can go to your nearest Mall and see that all day long and thats OK....am I right? Not sure what all the hoopla is about. It certainly wasnt anything like porn,,,i know because I have watched porn. Has the OP ever watched porn? If they had, they would know that this was nothing compared to porn at all. And people need to keep in mind that this film was not made in the US, The film was made in Germany, France and Hungary and unlike the states they do not have the sexual hang ups so there filming industry is very different and they look at things very differently over there. Once you get past the way we have been brought up in the states and brainwashed about sex etc...and what is allowed in US films and tv then you can put aside all that and appreciate what the films meaning is. To me it was all about how if not done correctly and with great thought, Cloning isnt such a great thing becauase of the consequences.It was about when someone dies you need to go on and not try and live in the past or even bring it back. It would be really great of people could actually watch a film for its true meaning and not have there minds in that bad place.....it seems to me they are the ones fighting something inside. I am just saying......
shareNot sure what all the hoopla is about. It certainly wasnt anything like porn,,,i know because I have watched porn. Has the OP ever watched porn? If they had, they would know that this was nothing compared to porn at all.You sure got that right. These people taking offense have got issues of their own that are way bigger than anything in this movie. share
Welove, see this is where you are showing your immaturity. There is something very different about a mother nursing her child and another mother creating a child solely as her love/sexual object.
I partly agree. I think a lot of this taboo sh!t is blown way out of proportion. I believe people are getting to resemble true paranoid schizophrenics about sex.
Case in point, I played doctor with friends as a kid... as any child should. It's natural for a child to be curious about his or her body. Should I be afraid to tell people about this? No. Am I afraid? Kind of. It has nothing to do with retarded, sick crimes of real sick people. It has to do with the extreme response people take to crimes like that, accusing whole groups; like men.
In other ways, I wonder if people get the wrong ideas about what's inappropriate or not.
I think there was a case of a man in Milwaukee or something, who was falsely accused of molesting his child, while all he was trying to do was put a diaper on her. WTF is that about? Should a man not do anything to help his babies anymore?
Its one thing to play Drs as a child its another to literally film this stuff and call it beautiful. there are some things that shouldnt be put in a movie. Not sure what boat you came on but I am a mother of 4 children, they are all grown and cant imagin and it makes me sick to think she looked at the child she had as a lover. Its disgusting. That doesnt make me blowing something up more than it should.
shareI never played doctor as a kid. I don't think I missed out on anything.
"Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"
Just because something is "accepted" in a civilization does not mean that it is morally "right". Pedophilia has always been repugnant to people, even during the historical periods you mention during which it was so-called "accepted". The fact that it is now illegal speaks to society evolving to a place of understanding this and the exploitative nature of the sexualization of children, as well as the dangers they face around adults who like to think of them as "sexual beings"
"Minor attracted" is another term for pedophilia.
Also, yes, of course it is considered abuse to portray a child in an erotic way. Sexual activity and erotica confer an understanding of the self in such a way; children do not developmentally possess this self-knowledge, and if they do, it is due to the unfortunate influence (and self-rationalizing behaviors) of the adults around them. In a child, for example, masturbatory behaviors are not erotic to a child; they are a means of self-exploration, and adults are the ones who interpret this behavior as such, label it, and then act upon it, saying it was there all along. This is the height of dangerous self-deception -- rationalizing something to oneself that it is ok when it is not.
by the way, this reply is in direct response to MikaLove1
Geez. You write like someone preaching from a f--king bible. And you believe all you write to be 100% facts as well. Well, back it up then!
What the hell do you know about that sex with kids has always been "worth demonizing", etc?
Maybe frowned upon by some, but hardly when sex wasn't in general as stigmatized as it is today...! Why would anyone care about who does what with whom if the subject matter is as casual as sex should be?
And you think that sex and sexual behavior has had a natural evolution the way it is today? I mean, I could mention hundreds of behaviors that have not developed naturally. For women mostly. And that is to blame not "predator men", but people like you, who so desperately believe that "laws are there for a reason" and that "predatory" behavior must be abolished, etc, etc. The damn feminists and religion is to blame as well.
The demonization of pedosexuality is NOT based on "understanding"—quite the contrary! It's based on f--ing ignorance and denial of certain proved facts.
And the part where you write that you think a child's masturbation serves no sexual purpose, well, that both makes me want to laugh, if I wasn't scared of the thought that people in this world actually sit upon the kids, denying their true nature, and depriving them of their sexuality. You should go to jail for doing the true evil acts in this world. At the very least, you do definitely no good at all. Because what you do, is so despicable that you can't fathom it. The consequences it brings. Kids will continue to be sexual, and (some) people will continue seeing them for that.
All else is bullsh-t.
"Morally right" is most often a very subjective standpoint. But then, you debate from that perspective altogether. It's obvious that you get high on yourself.
Btw, the Japanese is the most intelligent and modernized people in the world, but pedosexuality is totally accepted and even "fed" there. What do you say to that, moralist? You live in waaay back, in the darker sides of the pseudo-psychological world. A little like "masturbation is harmful". It's easy to categorize and label people like you, which should be done.
But the way you label a whole enormous group of people (albeit a "minority") and kids, that's where I draw the line. Let facts be facts and pseudo-science and ditto type of psychology may be banished to hell. I wish your kind was as well. The world would be much more rational if you knew your place and chose not to speak.
Pedophilia is in fact not illegal in any part of the world. But I bet you want to make that happen as well. Let the true witch hunt begin. Like the Nazis did to the Jews. What are you waiting for? You know you want to get out there and brand pedos. I mean, they are SO harmful to kids...
Pedophilia is near-universally condemned as disgusting, and child rape is one of the worst forms of rape there is. MikaLove1 is a vile, disgusting person who deserves castration and imprisonment.
The only difference 'tween Jesus and the Walking Dead: Jesus asked others to eat HIS flesh.
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My sexual dysfunction stems from all those years when my mom made me wear a dress and makeup and sit in a closet for hours on end. My illiteracy, on the other hand, just comes from having a poor education.
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Shut up you little c-nt and stop making things up. Develop a set of balls instead. It's obvious you're a teen misfit in society who only wants to stir up a fuss. You have nothing on me anyway. And I'm not gonna waste time with deadbeats.
Mika, you make me sick...
If someone like you ever showed near my child, I'd bash their skull in.
I hope you never have children of your own, I don't want to think what you might come up to.
I can't believe you are openly spewing this stuff. I guess anonymity gives people like you power. I wonder if you would spew this stuff openly without anonymity. Doubtful.
shareYou need to check yourself.....like into the nearest psych ward. It is NEVER okay to have sexual interactions with a child. NEVER. You got that. Pedophila is illegal and after reading your post, I think you need to be on a sexual offender registry ASAP
share"Minor attracted" is another term for pedophilia.
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MikaLove1, you're like.. a psychopath.
Do you actually believe the things you're saying?
Do not have kids.
You seem to have forgotten that this is a MOVIE. It's not real. This didn't occur naturally, this was produced. These are not real children in real situations, the situations were created for them. There is a huge difference.
I felt the child nudity served no purpose whatsoever. In fact, much of the nudity we see in movies really serves no purpose. It's just that simple. In the case of adult nudity in movies it usually seems very gratuitous.
Oh, of course! All children in your mind are sexualised. It's US that has the problem!
UUUUURRRRGGGGGHHH
Sorry, kiddo, but if you see naked people and immediately think sex, filth and child abuse, that's your issue and nobody else s.
I agree.I demanded Showtime to stop airing this film as they are doing it all over again. I watched it last summer and it about made me throw up. Then I turned to a channel on Showtime to watch a up coming movie today and the end of Womb was on where the son/clone was having sex with his mother. Yes its his mother!!! and again it was so disturbing. No matter how you put it she was a pervert and she did it with her own son even if he was a clone she breast feed him and raised him. It would be incest even if you were parents that adopted. So I demanded Showtime to stop the movie. Its not just an adult film they show at night this is kiddy porn and just sick. I have to question the very people that buy this DVD to watch it over and over again.
sharePerhaps you would be the right person to ask for help. Let's demand a ban for every movie that includes, or hints about MURDER or KILLING people. Surely you must agree that it is a lot more severe issue today.
You put the demands for US stations, I'll start with my country. Ok?
How is having a bath "obviously sexual"?
"Passion is just insanity in a cashmere sweater."
How is 3 people naked in a bathtub SEXUAL? Is it sexual to be showering nude with a group of others after gym class. No. Without question or debate the collective answer is - NO. It only becomes sexual if someone is affected by such situations in a sexual manner. For everyone else it would be "normal" and unoffensive, but for those certain individuals it is a perversion. YOU and several others on this thread fall in the latter. I believe you took something INTIMATE and made it PERVERTED, and you are sick and deranged individuals. Try delving deep within and tell me why and how you can get INTIMACY and SEXUALITY confused... BAM!!!
shareNo one made it perverted. A mother should NEVER be intimate or sexual with a child. End of story.
shareWell said.
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kids often go naked on beaches here in europe to change into swim wear and etc. no one ever blinks an eye to that or think anything sexual.>>
Right, because there's no pedos in europe. Idiot.
[it's actually sick that you two see it that way. you got dirty minds, but don't want people to know (and/or don't want to admit to yourselves), you hide behind this guise and redirect the attention at the movie itself, saying the movie is in the wrong. ]
the fact that you think that, says you are the one with the dirty mind.
Kind of takes one to know one.
And hell no, it is not normal, just because your society is desensitized to the point of sexualising children is nothing to you, doesn't make it normal or acceptable.
Personally I am with you Rodeo - Yes I am an AMerican but I lived in Europe for some time and nudity, sex and innocence is not TABOO like here in America. Showing naked kids on a beach or laying next to each other was quite normal, even in the 2000s which is when I was there. Here in America everything is taboo, wrong and considered porn or not art. Appreciating art is lost here in america where we think art is a picture of apples or some random shape. THis film is a passionate statement much like Birth with Nicole Kidman. Telling compelling stories of loss and love and regret. It is refreshing to see stuff like this instead of Thor 500
shareThis film has nothing to do with nudity or America. It is about a mother having a child to be her lover. And you are commenting on the wrong movie.
shareAs a story yes, but if cannot see a common thread about the comments, movies have so much more meaning than what they story is about. Often times it is a social statement on society during the times. Its called Theme. Also, if you could read properly I was comparing the lifestyle of Europe to America according to the movie, not the movie itself, so maybe you should step back a bit, understand what you read before you go posting. Thanks.
shareWell, Robert, in your previous comments you make statements that the film is only taboo for the US and not so much Europe AND that the film had a main theme about loss and regret. You tied those to concepts together, not I. And I completely disagree with your assessment.
Of course, films try to make social statements. I just don't agree that the social statement for this particular film was about loss, regret, love or nudity. And I didn't come to my conclusion based on any US puritanical belief system or the taboo of nudity.
And thanks for defining theme for me, I tend to forget things like that. Have a great day!
And that is the great thing about Theme, it is singular to the individual. 20 people will watch the same film and get 20 different messages, that is a sign of well made film, when people walk out going wow, I didn't think of it like that.
In your statement you said IT IS NOT about what I had said, but to me it was. So you are telling me I was wrong, I was merely pointing out that according to me, the history of my life and how I view things, I saw it that way. That is not wrong.
You made blanket statements about how the US, actually America, have prudish or puritanical attitudes regarding sex, nudity and attitudes. You applied that theme as to why some dislike the film. Yes, themes of films are individual. I'm not disagreeing with that and I NEVER said you were wrong for having that opinion.
What I am pointing out is YOU opined that the people that don't like this film have a ancient view of sex, nudity and innocence. How you threw innocence in there with sex, taboo, nudity......I will never comprehend, but whatever. That is what I disagree with not how the film affected you but your sweeping statements regarding the distaste for the movie based on prudish attitudes.
Of course, you have a right to your opinion and I appreciate your thoughts. I'm sorry if I don't preface every post with "in my opinion"
Then read more comments about this film and the mere numbers of those who say that this film is nothing more than sex and nudity. I read about 50 comments and 90% of them that hated the film were not because of the film, but because they assumed the film was nothing more than an attempt to have nudity without substance. So, I made my statement.
On a side note, isn't nudity enough substance.. :-)
Thank you for having a nice discussion with me, I truly appreciate it and respect your opinion. 😚
shareYeah it's a conspiracy to encourage the public to become partakers of child abuse.
How screwed up are you?
You should work as a journalist, they seem to like sensationalising things that to most normal minds are normal. The idea that this is some sort of "desensitizing the masses...get ready for more of this..." as deplorable.
share"The Masses"??? Hey, turd-for-brains! How many people do you think saw this film? How many do you know (that you didn't tell about it first)? If you want to experience something TRULY crude and disturbing than watch "The 700 Club" or some of your local networks Evangelical donation programs that manipulate the meek, generous, elderly, disabled, ill, etc. with downright criminal false hopes and promises. That is the real horror and it's supported nation-wide :) :) :) :) :)
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Look I havent seen the film as of yet but in my opinion if your a pedophile you aren,t really going to be searching for mainstream films with kids who are naked. You are most liklely going to simply search the internet for photos. I.m pretty sure there are websites out there with this kind of sick material on far worse than seeeing a mother bathing with her child. Ultimatley it comes down to the parents decision as to wether they see the film as apropriate for their kids to star in. The Parents obviously weren,t thinking in the mindset of, o my child is supposed to get naked in this scene I bet some old pervy man will love this. So what your saying is every scene of child nudity should be banned from films even though its a natural part of life. Why do people seem to think sex is far worse than violence. Seeing a little kids weiner is not going to scar kids for life more so than them seeing a guy get mangled by a serial killer wearing a hockey mask. Plus child nudity is in far less films than gory over the top violence that kids seem to love, way more than seeing another child naked. They prefer guns, swords spaceships explosions. ETC
shareI appreciate the comments against the user mikelove1. The message to be gleaned here is that the pedophile will distort and use any information to support his disease. He used the Japanese (?), parents, history, etc. to "prove" that pedophilia is not bad, that the rest of us had the problem. They are without conscience or morality, hence the attacks on "morals". Deeply disturbed and disturbing. But most of all, they live in fear, as is evident from his vehement attacks against anyone who disagreed with his point of view. (I refer to him as "him" because males represent the overwhelming majority of pedophiles).
Regarding simplerocker:
<<Ultimatley it comes down to the parents decision as to wether they see the film as apropriate for their kids to star in. The Parents obviously weren,t thinking in the mindset of, o my child is supposed to get naked in this scene I bet some old pervy man will love this.>>
I guess I can see your point.
<<So what your saying is every scene of child nudity should be banned from films even though its a natural part of life.>>
Umm, no.
Scenes of child nudity that are prolonged and do not add meaning to the story are gratuitous and should be left out.
Face it, we live in a sick world, and pervs who need employment and integration into society will seek out whatever "socially acceptable" images of child nudity they can find, such as the ones in this film.
Yes. It felt pornographic (child porn) and incestuous. Yuck! If it was meant to make me feel uncomfortable it succeeded. We stopped watching when he start f...ing his "mother". Enough already!
shareWe stopped watching when he start f...ing his "mother". Enough already!
That was the end?! Good. So now I feel even better about my low rating since I watched the whole thing.
shareIf you're interested, here is the last few minutes you missed: Tommy moves out of Rebecca's home. Also, the ending is actually the beginning scene where Rebecca is sitting on the deck pregnant saying "It's over. I will always speak to you..." So yeah, she ends up being pregnant by the clone she gave birth to.
shareHey-
Thanks for this! I was telling my husband about your earlier reply-and it made him curious about the exact ending. I'll let him know so he will in no way have to queue that film up again.
Since you go by filmfanatic-got any good recommendations? Always looking both in and outside the box for great films to watch.
Thanks.
Are you sure you didn't happen to be watching yourself in the mirror? Your mentality comes off pretty sick to me. You chose this forum to discuss in length a film, you supposedly didn't even finish but were offended by because some child's naked toosh was shown, is actually a disguise to discuss the ugly thoughts and desires this film conjured in you. Admitting is the first step...
shareRidiculous, this says more about how your mind twists the scene rather than any credible point regarding exploitative child pornography. Normal kids DO act that way, I was one myself. Perhaps you should consider why you have these thoughts. Its comments like yours that make me shudder in disgust.
shareFirstly, I got reading here because I haven't yet seen this film and, to be honest, the OP's thread title was interestingly controversial.
(I was actually looking at films with Max Richter soundtracks, having just watched Perfect Sense - Ewan McGregor and Eva Green are both naked in that, so watch out any prudish pilgrim types!)
Anyway back to this film and the nudity mentioned above, my thinking is this;
From the plot synopsis you knew there would be nudity. Sexual scenes, possibly scenes of child birth, perhaps even intimations of predatory sexual deviancy involving a child - however these may be hinted upon in film-making or story terms. From the back of the DVD box at the store, if greek tragedy or a few freudian sub-plots had not crossed your mind then you maybe should have given it a wide berth and watched something else.
However, if I were making a film with these themes / hypothetical scenarios I would wish to raise the pitch of the incongruity of the relationship 'fallout' arising from such a course of action.
E.g. what could be more natural than a mother bathing her pre-adolescent child ? Well actually given the cloning storyline and the mother's 'motivation' this sort of scene MUST therefore be unsettling and disturbing. The nudity should be 'normal' but it isn't, is it? So how does one make apparently normal nudity so discomforting to the audience without alienating them?
If this film were broadcast on tv and you happened to walk in on it half way through, this scene should fully establish that 'all is not right here' even if you didn't know all that this was so from what had preceded the scene. You therefore should be asking yourself, why is there such meditative shots of a naked child and it's mother? What's really going here?
So perhaps the fact you found the apparently prolonged (?) child nudity disturbing was both intentional and justifiable in terms of the film's plotting.
Ideally film-makers should invest every scene with multiple thematic references and if there is some highly nuanced acting all the better, just so as to aid the editing process if not for purely artistic purposes, without ever smacking the audience in the face with blunt and unsubtle exposition, contrived coincidence etc.
If this exact shot and timing of child actor nudity occurred in a biblical film epic with a young child being baptised alongside it's mother by Jesus or St John would it be unsettling? Should it be? Plainly not.
Would other posters then be justified in suggesting the deviancy was in the eye of the beholder in that situation? How 'warped would a 'sexually disturbed' person have to be to find such a situation arousing?
Well that's my soapbox put away. I would still like to see this film.
Particularly as it now occurs to me than an interesting unintended consequence of the female character's actions could be the ability to view and influence your, albeit dead, life partner as a 'blank canvas' child (eg before you had ever first met as adults) and thus have the potential 'luxury' of mothering / bringing up that person and possibly 'improving' them. Rather than the perhaps lesser satisfaction of sharing life on equal or diverging terms as unrelated but fully formed adults within a intimate sexual context. This might present a bizarre second bite of the cherry in term of the potential personality that might be developed. Of course this is still disturbing and predatory but then so is much of the human condition. Don't let me know whether this in fact does or does not feature within this film!
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No, normal children raised sexually appropriate do not behave this way.
Perhaps you should explore your childhood and consider that you may not have been raised in a healthy manner
What child nudity? I saw the boy's naked butt and that's it. The girl, when she got out of the tub to answer her phone covered herself with her arm. Her elbow covered her pubic area and her forearm/hand covered her chest.
I think those of you offended are offended more at the suggestion, and not the actual child nudity, as there was none other than a bare butt.
Warning, I'm a one.
Oh my God...
I think you have a dirty mind.
It wasn't like that at all. It was sweet and innocent and yet realistic (the first 30 min). It was not sexual in any real way. It's not like they were six. It's normal to be curious at their age. I just felt like they were normal pre-teens, I didn't even think about... well... that.
I mean... WOW!
I saw it rather innocent also, to my guestimation I would have said they would have been about 9 or 10 then. When seeing the scene with them in their underwear, I didn't see it as sexual at all. The dad walked in and knew/gave permission for her to sleep over. He didn't require them to sleep in separate beds or rooms (like my parents would have done lol). We do not know what happened throughout the night, I doubt it was sexual but as some young kids are curious they could have done some sort of sexual experimentation. Or maybe that is the way they normally sleep and that they just felt comfortable like that. I do remember she did lean over towards him and touched the skin of his chest but I also saw that in a loving manor because she cared for him (knowing that this boy is the boy I would want to spend the rest of my life with.
Overall the first half did not feel very sexual at all, other than innocent child love.
This film did not take place in the US, I assume the UK have a different aspect in their film. As for the kids involved, their parents knew what kind of theme/role their child was playing. Think for example, the movie Mysterious Skin. Although they wrote 2 separate scrips (an innocent script for the kids and the true script for the adult actors), it must have been difficult to put your child in that film (for those who don't know - it's about a young boy who is molested by his coach and falls in love with him and helps him lure other boys in). It's a harsh film but they keep the kids from getting psychologically mest up. These kids are actors, it's their job. The kid who plays the main character will grow up and look back at the great times he had on set, not about how his family betrayed him by putting hm in such a movie.
As for all the other wild comments on this board, everyone's childhood is different. Often times we are influenced by our parents, other kids, or even the media. I will not deny I had a very sexually active childhood which started way before sexual maturaty. Thinking back I think sex became a daily thought/activity several years before puberty even hit. To me media had a little influence while my friends also led me on and helped me turn into the child I was back then. I do remember a lot of my experiences turned to urges but puberty eventually settled everything out. We are naturally curious when we are young, it may be sexual or it can just be the curiousity of the world we live in or other things. As time changes, more and more things are fed to each generation of kids. Many kids get confused by all these influences.
Normal kids don't act in what way?
"Passion is just insanity in a cashmere sweater."
I had to stop watching after 30 minutes or so because I was absolutely bored rigid.
"There is a certain ecstasy in wanting things you know you can't have"
If I complained constantly about male nudity movies or males showing too much skin and homoeroticism in movies, wouldn't you begin to think I might be gay myself? Well, that's what I start to think about these people who see "child porn" everywhere.
The only thing I found erotic in this movie is Eva Green. The kids are just doing what (many) kids do at that age do. It's only creepy when it bothers adults so much, one way or the other. . .
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I had to laugh at the Finnster post above saying that Eva Green covered up her chest with her hand/forearm getting out of the bathtub. Eva Green? Meanwhile the child actor in the suds with her must have had quite a day. And that's the thing with a movie like this, isn't it? The children are real people whose perceptions and experiences are being pushed beyond what developmental point they may have reached themselves, in a highly unnatural environment. Underage actors and their parents, ambitious as they are to establish careers and make money, might be the worst possible judges of what they should be exposing themselves to, whether it's sexual titillation, vampirism, or whatever. And lord knows the filmmakers aren't there to protect the tender sensibilities of their child subjects.
My kid and I acted in a student film a few years ago thinking it would be fun. A big, big mistake, I realized halfway through, when the director went completely out of control. Having brought my child into that, inadvertent as it was, was one of my major lapses as a parent. No child sexuality, but gratuitous (simulated) graphic violence. I think of Brooke Shields's mother signing her daughter's contract for 'Pretty Baby' and imagine she could only have been totally insane.
So there's a criterion for what's acceptable in movies like "Womb,' aside from any arguments about what constitutes pedophilia: would you let your kid, or any kid you care about, do that for an audience's entertainment? If not, then you owe it to your own integrity to stay away yourself. A harsh standard? I don't think so.