How exactly did the mutants come to be?
I know it was explained, something about a adaptibility enhancer being pumpled into the sleeper human's blood? I am unclear as to how some are mutated and others are not. Thanks.
The trip was supposed to take 123 years to reach Tanis. The passengers were put into hypersleep for the duration, except for shifts of the flight crew who would manage the ship in intervals.
The hypersleep chambers were pumping the passengers with an adaptability enzyme to help them adjust to the conditions on Tanis when they arrived.
Gallo succumbs to pandorum, kills his co-pilots, and then begins screwing with the systems, waking up passengers and playing god with them, then locking them away in the cargo holds when he got bored or they got unruly.
The passengers he locked away in the cargo hold resort to cannibalism to survive, and over the 900 years after Gallo's tampering their descendants mutated to the conditions of the ships cargo hold.
The mutants are the great-great-great-great-etc grandchildren of the passengers Gallo woke up and locked into the hold of the ship. The enzyme sped up their adaptation to the conditions of the ship.
The normal humans are ones who recently woke up due to the power fluctuations of the reactor, and have been the preferred prey of the mutants.
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Great reply, thanks!
"And that's all I have to say about that." -Forrest Gump
That does not explain their super-human strength or resilience.
shareyes it does, that's what 'adapt' means.
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Not really, to adapt is to change as a species through survival and selective breeding. Generally these changes are a response to a particular danger that the survivor adapt to be resistant to. So here we have creatures that have been living off of feeding on unaware and unprepared prey, in essence sitting ducks. So what danger or challenge has bred super strong, super tough creatures.
I'll tell you, it is the Sci Fi channel school of monster making. Which is just tack on bullet proof to the monster and you can make anything a worthy challenge to the hero. To cool part is that you don't for whatever reason need to justify it because fan boys just accept it as rote.
...and that's sad.
Not just defenseless prey. They were shown to attack and devour the weakest of their kind as well, so competetion among themselves was probably pretty fierce. The food supply was stretched, if you couldn't fight for your right to feed you became the next meal. Only the strongest would make it.
When were they shown to be bullet proof? Bower splatters one's head with his riot gun. Nadia chops off ones arm. There were no ridiculous displays like bullets bouncing off them as you seem to suggest.
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No but he had that wrist gun thingy that I seem to remember him hitting one with and all it did was knock it down which i got the impression it was suppose to do a lot more than that. Then there was the fight where a whole bunch of humans took one one of those critters that was clearly to show what bad asses these things were. Other than to show them as this huge threat for the audience. there was no credible reason for these things being (near) unstoppable killing machines. We are told that they make a living off of feeding on near helpless and confused prey. That suggests that they only need to develop a taste for their own kind's flesh. How viscous do you need to be for that?
Lazy writing.
It was an anti-riot weapon, according to Payton. But it should 'do some damage up close' according to him. Which it does when Bower fires it at point blank at the mutant's face trying to get through the sealing door.
They also 'make a living' feeding off each other when a vulnerability presents itself. How vicious? More vicious then the other members of your group, unless you want to become food.
If the food supply was stretched thin, as it appears it would be as there was only 1,000 pods left at the end out of 60,000, and they had been feeding off that 59,000 for 800 some years, competition over the food is going to be merciless. If you aren't strong, fast, and vicious enough, you don't get to eat, and you eventually become a snack. All the weak mutants would have been killed off.
You're the funniest thing I seen since Biter chewed off that Septa's teats - Rorge
Fortunately for humans, we never had to survive against short food supply's and violence against one another. Thereby not evolving as a species by the strongest defeating the weaker.
Oh wait, we had hundreds and thousands of years of that, with inclement weather and sabertooth cats thrown in. By that measure we should be f-ing super beings.
all sarcasm aside (Sorry for that)
I never bought that 900 years of natural selection topped off with some survival cocktail that was given to everyone is capable realistically of making the 'roid monsters that were on the ship. Especially with the circumstances they set up.
Don't get me wrong, I thought the concept of people being forcefully awakened and eaten by the thousands if not millions was nicely horrifying. That would have been sufficient. But the director wanted his bad-ass fight scenes which you cannot have with just cannibals. They have to be super kwel 'roid monster who are capable of taking on a group of human bad asses. God damn, who injected an action film into the middle of my horror film.
there are aspects of this film I like but there is sh*t shoehorned in that really just ruin the whole experience for me.
it's a sci-fi film live with it. don't like it, don't watch it.
People get injected with a drug which makes them adapt. they adapt to the ship, it's explained in the film.
the weak die, strong survive and like the other guy said get more food.
so the drug enhances this, hence them being stronger and quicker.
they're not super bullet proof beings, it was an anti-riot gun, you saw him take the gun and it was explained.
and again it's a sci-fi film so you have to suspend some belief.
this is one of the best sci-fi's i've watch for ages. much better than the crap aliens invading earth, see World of the war remake, battle of LA or Prometheus. now they were full of plot holes and crap that was hard to ignore, where as this film i didn't even noticed any wtf moments.
and as to us evolving, we were apes. we've evolved and are able to make weapons and fire to fend off and kill anything that could eat us, so no need for being "super beings", though compared to apes we are.
Here's some more fuel for the discussion.
Scientists have figured out that Homo Sapiens first appeared around half a million years ago. About 50,000 years ago when there were two or three different species of humans, A group of Homo Sapiens suddenly developed a gene crucial for higher intelligence, higher cognitive reasoning and articulate verbal communication. Within a short period of time, those intelligent homo sapiens wiped out the other human species.
They didn't wipe them out. They were just better at collecting resources and had babies with them.
shareReally? What else can you divulge of your time spent in the past? I hear the world is only 6000 years old and people co-existed with dinosaurs, you can always tell who is part of that school of thought by the neat little "coexist" stickers they slap on their rear bumpers.
shareNo, he's right. They have shown from gathered DNA of Neanderthal pelvises that Northern Europeans have Neanderthal genes and there was likely interbreeding. The genes that were kept are devoted to cartilage and epidermis (skin, nose, ears, connective tissues).
Homo sapien sapiens spent thousands of years along side homo sapien neanderthalensis in Europe, across the Middle East and into Asia.
They have also discovered another genetically distinct sup species of human dubbed Homo sapien denisovans whose genetic heritage is found in modern Asians.
Criticism of religion is not racism...
Yes, I have read this, my post was just stupid sarcasm... I know those bumper stickers mostly come from Theists or Atheists or even open-minded religious folk.
I have wondered if it was natural that wiped out the Neanderthal or a war against 'species', so many millions of years of unwritten history with theories to fill in the blanks... Even written history up until around 200 years ago was questionable and debatable, as it's written by the winners, and often biased.
it's a sci-fi film live with it. don't like it, don't watch it.
"well if ya don't like it don't watch it" FU, we've already watched it obviously, nobody can rewind time and get their 2 hours back.
Try some of your own advice, if you don't like what hes saying, don't read it! See how stupid that sounds, because you've already clearly read it? See how that works?
If people don't like it, well, no I suppose they won't be watching it again, thank you for the enlightening, miraculous suggestion, if not for your brilliant words of wisdom, I may very well have accidentally watched it again, you are a shining beacon of hope, and the pinnacle of human evolution. share
actually that did happen to humans too...ok so just like u said humans and prehumans had to go through and are still going through all this cr@p to evolve and initially we became stronger and faster and basically super compared to our ancestors but then evolution went another way and realized that we would never be bigger or strong enough and that road lead to destruction far too quickly so instead we developed...our brains! its true and we used them to make the internet and go to the moon and create nukes etc and elastic bands lol so basically we did after million and then 10 of thousands of years of man get all supery but in a super villain sense with our big old evil minds which we use to kill, maim, steal, invent, create, care for, grow etc. and who know what is next for man kind..something alot cooler than big arms or sharp teeth though they too could be engineered?
Long response:
Lets face it,
All movies are filled with pseudo-science, historical inaccuracies, source material inaccuracies, contrivances, and other sundry dumbassery. Even the best of the best movies (including documentaries) have minor instances of the aforementioned. I think it is healthy to recognize flaws in (well, all aspects of life)things that you like and if you still like it after recognizing the flaw then that preference is all the more pure for it. Some of my favorite movies of all time have flaws that others recognize and lambaste the film for it, and I say; "you go bouy, but I still love the film".
I respect a "ya, but it does not ruin the film for me" as much, if not more than a well reasoned (but flawed)explanation.
Short response:
If that helps you enjoy the movie then great.
Explain why Gorillas are so strong, they eat leaves, hardly a worthy adversary. A faulty genetic drug, sleeping next to a reactor, societal hierarchy...take your pick or a combo thereof. You don't have to be a fanboy...just need an imagination.
sharewhy did they have body armour and blue / LED spears ? so cheesy, that point alone made the whole biological / mutation premise so unbelievable
shareBecause they have a warrior culture that was started by Gallo and their space crazy ancestors. It had nothing to do with their evolution.
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Interesting comments and while I follow your logic, it's hard to have a discussion about reality and what's realistic when we're watching sci-fi. Over thinking sci-fi tends to ruin it.
shareI think that it wasn't that it was unreal to me that was bugging me. It was that they wanted a kewl fight scene where their bad ass monsters were shown beating up on a bunch of dudes so as to make them "scarier" so they came up with a half-assed excuse to make them tougher.
Bad-ass fight scenes in horror films detract from the horror. For those of you who like that, good on ya enjoy your horror/action film. For me, not so much.
I like this film. I'm not trying to be a troll or anything but one thing sticks in my mind.
I've not seen this film since 2009. So forgive me if I'm wrong but...
I really liked the storyline but hated the fact that the mutants had custom made weapons and armour, which had spikes and things like that. That aspect of the film was quite silly. It would have been much better for the story and creepier if they were just naked.
That was the only thing I didn't like about the film.
They lived in a society which was based on cannibilism.
They created weapons from their surroundings and armour for protection and fashion and hierarchy)
Nothing odd about it all, but was hyped to give this movie more action and reminded me of some bad futuristic eighties movies
It sounds like you preferred the creatures from I am Legend
Dude it's a MOVIE. The idea is that they adapted to the conditions over 900 years with teh influence of an evolutionary/adaptation ACCELERATOR. Its science fiction.
shareWe are. In case you didn't notice the fact that we are one of the causes of the Holocene extinction event. We are the ultimate apex (redundant, I know) predators on the planet. We got there through evolution of our brains and of complex social systems that ensured we worked together more often than against each other. That may not be exactly what people think of when they hear "the strong survive", but it is. Ecological strength is not literal. And we are the strongest on Earth.
Now imagine a scenario where the drive is not for cooperation, but competition? And not against animals, but against other humans. Intelligence wouldn't help you much, since you and your enemy have it. That's where might comes into play.
The stuff that was being injected into them during slumber was supposed to make them capable of constant adaptation and enhanced its speed. That said, there was a little bit too much over-the-top-action. It doesn't bother me though. it's within the limits of my personal suspension-of-disbelief tolerance.
I haven seen a sci-fi yet where I couldn't find something out of sync. This movie had a minimum of that in my view.
No we wouldn't, the enzyme speeds the evolution in an unnatural way and much faster, hundreds of MILLIONS of years into a few thousand years.
The increase in human knowledge is the cause of the decline of religions.
Nuncle owned you. You're wrong, deal with it. Quit trying to validate your erroneous point.
shareDifferent conditions, mate. Humans haven't had a scenario where you had some 60k of them locked up in a ship in space where food was scarce and where hysteria rules. Early human tribes survived by being nomads as well when the conditions of their habitat changed or didn't seem favourable. That doesn't and can't happen on the ship. What DOES happen is you have the enzyme cocktail put through your veins. You get a crazed corporal playing god and directing the crew into a harsh battle for sustenance. You get almost a thousand years of that. You adapt or you die. The mutants adapted with time. It was shown in the film how they eat their own if they deem them weak. Several times. Even the infamous missing link is shown in the form of Leland. He was well on his way to become like one of them.
Everything is perfectly explained in the film. Now, it does show a possible scenario and it doesn't mean it would happen just like that in reality but it's probable. I have no idea why you can't seem to accept that.
Fortunately for humans, we never had to survive against short food supply's and violence against one another. Thereby not evolving as a species by the strongest defeating the weaker.
Oh wait, we had hundreds and thousands of years of that, with inclement weather and sabertooth cats thrown in. By that measure we should be f-ing super beings.
So you start by actually saying something clever, and then quickly degenerate into nonsense, then quickly try to explain it by sarcasm.
As you can probably see (but for the sake of trolling, continue to ignore), the conditions the crew faced on the ship were very different from those of early humans. Apes had all the resources in the wold, they could simply go and pick some fruit and then run away from the sabertooth. The mutated crew on the spaceship did not have any other food options than the other, weaker crew members. That is why their mutation took the direction it took. The speed is explained by the injections.
If you are going to pick on scientific explanation of facts, why don't you start with the actual spaceship. We don't have these kind of spaceships yet. Go cry about that. share
They had substance in the form of the feeding tubes in hypersleep pods, the water dripping from the ceiling and the algae that came from it. They were only cannibals due to cultural reasons.
shareI have read your opinion about the strong cannibal monsters and still I prefer the director's idea.
I think the makers of this movie made the right decision about it.
Your approach would make the movie very boring.
I guess that's why they make films and you don't.
great analogy
shareI saw it in an entirely different light than you, apparently.
As it's been said, the "wrist gun thingy" was an anti-riot gun. Which, as stated in the movie, wasn't meant to have the power of a shotgun to it (not verbatim). The fight where the three of them are beating down the one mutant, I saw it as more of a revenge sort of thing after having been constantly hunted down as food. I watched it as them taking out their anger on one that they'd managed to get alone to beat down. If you pay attention during the movie, these things are rarely alone, and even when they are, more are close behind.
Of course the mutants would be stronger than the crew as all their time is spent on hunting, or fighting one another for food to survive. I didn't see them as "super-beings" at all. Just a pack of mutants that hunted down prey. If you recall, the agriculture guy took one of them down 1v1. That alone kept me from imagining these mutants were some sort of "omg wtf super beings".
Is the movie flawed? Well no duh, every movie has some flaws to it, but that wasn't one of them in my opinion. Also, excuse any poor choice of words and such. I'm fairly tired while typing this. I might also be a bit off on some points as its been forever since watching this.
> So what danger or challenge has bred super strong, super tough creatures.
Simply needing to climb all of the vertical surfaces would give them a giant strength advantage over all of the atrophied, sleepy protagonists.
The adaptation drug would have had their muscles bonding to their bones in different places to give them better climbing strength, much like how chimps can destroy most humans despite being smaller.
Only the strongest and resilience survive and breed. Nineteen years later, you have a super strong and resilience race.
shareMaybe living next to a nuclear reactor
had an effect on their evolution.
They are adapting to the ship, which is totally metal. They are becoming strong and hard like metal.
share1. Agreed.
2. Agreed.
3. Yes, this is a possible theory, but where is it established in the movie that Gallo woke up anybody or locked anybody in the cargo holds? Throughout the movie, not one sleep chamber was opened manually, they were all triggered to open randomly, or opened because of a short circuit. Also, when was anybody locked in a cargo hold? The mutants seemed to have full access to the entire ship other than where humans had barricaded themselves in.
4. Again, where is it established that Gallo locked anybody in the cargo holds, or tampered with anybody? True, people would resort to cannibalism if there was no other food. And yes, the people mutated to survive inside the ship rather than on the surface of Tanis.
5. Agreed.
Leland's monologue and the drawings on the wall establish the cargo hold stuff. It's fast, but its there.
You're the funniest thing I seen since Biter chewed off that Septa's teats - Rorge
@ Nuncle_Euron
The trip was supposed to take 123 years to reach Tanis. The passengers were put into hypersleep for the duration, <except for shifts of the flight crew who would manage the ship in intervals. >
so the ships Crew is not on hypersleep, which in theory means the ship's crew will not last the journey which is 123 yrs.
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The passengers he locked away in the cargo hold resort to cannibalism to survive, and over the <900 years after Gallo's tampering their descendants mutated to the conditions of the ships cargo hold. >
This could be a story error , error rate in the coding portion of DNA has long been thought to occur once every 300 to 600 generations, or every 6,000 to 12,000 years for humans. But I would buy the accelerated enzyme theory.
The trip was supposed to take 123 years to reach Tanis. The passengers were put into hypersleep for the duration, except for shifts of the flight crew who would manage the ship in intervals.
The hypersleep chambers were pumping the passengers with an adaptability enzyme to help them adjust to the conditions on Tanis when they arrived.
Gallo succumbs to pandorum, kills his co-pilots, and then begins screwing with the systems, waking up passengers and playing god with them, then locking them away in the cargo holds when he got bored or they got unruly.
The passengers he locked away in the cargo hold resort to cannibalism to survive, and over the 900 years after Gallo's tampering their descendants mutated to the conditions of the ships cargo hold.
The mutants are the great-great-great-great-etc grandchildren of the passengers Gallo woke up and locked into the hold of the ship. The enzyme sped up their adaptation to the conditions of the ship.
The normal humans are ones who recently woke up due to the power fluctuations of the reactor, and have been the preferred prey of the mutants.
A lot of flaws with this.
1. Where does it state he played God with them? But "nasty little games" which is left ambiguous but it is greatly implied he drove them mad like he was(lightning bolts over their heads and blood around their noses on the drawings)
2. There was no cargo hold. Early Payton said that they weren't hauling cargo but they were the cargo. When Leland said the "cargo hold" he meant the entire ship and there is no mentioning of locking them any where.
3. They didn't became cannibals to survive but because they were crazy with Pandorum. They had enough food to last them for centuries via food tubes from hyper sleep pod which they could access.
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We saw the huge containers in the "red" area.
Futhermore mere champaneses are 5 times stronger than humans without looking that muscular.
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Those were living quarters.
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But you know how freight containerlook like? These were containers. And he, Bower, stumpled even over a cargo of boots. They had the equipment onboard to colonize Tanis. Everything else would make no sense.
PS: the red area was also quite close to the "ark" area.
Both were storage areas with equipment and probes to rebuild the human civilization.
Actually: there are no living quarters for only a small crew was awake at a time in order to serve for two years. The rest is/was sleeping.
The majority of the ship has cargo:
Containers with machines, tools and other stuff (mining, industry, production in general);
The Ark with samples of all kinds of plants and animal of Earth (=> agriculture, farming, husbandy)
and the sleeping cells with the colonists.
And they were running through all three areas till they came to the reactor segment.
And last but not least: Payton, who was actually not Payton, was insane.
So the info he gave can be correct, but they can also be incorrect.
And obviously he was telling him, Bower, not the truth about his mission when he was still without memories.
I guess "Payton" woke up Bower since he was the only one who could fix the reactor and thus the ship - his kingdom.
Bower was played by Payton.
Ich bin kein ausgeklügelt Buch, ich bin ein Mensch mit seinem Widerspruch.
Conrad Ferdinand Meyer
Thank you, that was easier than trying to make out the dialogue.
shareThanks! This reply made my view of the movie much more clear! There were some parts I didn't understand when watching it. Now it all makes sense.
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