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This was clearly not a seduction but instead was quite certainly rape. A woman can rape another woman and I can't help but notice the glaringly obvious double standard on this board. The girl was NOT seduced and this was NOT an affair with the woman. It was the rape and molestation of a child. Period.
THANK YOU. OMG I KNOW. People piss me off.
shareI thoroughly agree with you about the use of the word "seduction" (honestly, people, really??), but I'm not sure I have the same issue with "relationship," simply because that word doesn't imply something positive or even consensual. Meaning, just because you have a "relationship" to or with someone doesn't mean it isn't an awful, toxic, completely deranged one, if that makes any sense. I've referred to the "teacher/student relationship" and the "relationship between students" when blogging about this film, and I in no way mean to imply that they were healthy relationships. Rape can and does take place within human relationships, after all, so in context that word doesn't trouble me (YMMV, of course!).
But yeah, by and large, when I read things on the board that use terms like "seduced" or "romance" or "forbidden" (unless they mean forbidden by laws of morals, for god's sake!), my jaw hits the floor. Liking this film or others with similar themes doesn't, IMHO, make someone a creep, but totally missing the point and thinking what happened in "Cracks" was hot somehow (sort of the way people sometimes talk about "Lolita")? Just...no. Ick. No.
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I'm not sure how anyone could consider the relationship between Fiemma and Miss G seduction. Miss G very clearly raped/molested Fiemma while she was drunk/passed out. How anyone could see this as being seduction is beyond me. How anyone could find this hot is also beyond me as it is essentially pedophilia/molestion. If Fiemma looked like a 10 year old I don't think anyone would be claiming this scene was seduction and "hot."
I do think in some ways Miss G did have a seductive personality though and tried to "seduce" the girls into admiration of her. It appeared to work until Fiemma came along because she could see right through her. However, claiming Miss G seduced Fiemma is just plain wrong. It never really appeared that Fiemma ever even cared for Miss G, and she even told Di that she would put in an effort to be kinder to Miss G (but she could not make any guarantees). That doesn't sound to me like someone who is lusting after their teacher.
Molesting or having sex with someone when they are unconscious is rape. Period.
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Fiamma couldn't stand Miss G, before or after. So I don't see any seduction there.
She was passed out drunk when Miss G molested her.
"Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"
"She was passed out drunk when Miss G molested her." Until she regained consciousness while she was still doing it (offscreen in this rated 15 movie), which was why she was disgusted with her afterwards.
shareI always love the "word police". "Relationship" is a pretty neutral term. You can have a loving relationship, a purely sexual relationship, a relationship of convenience, or even a predator-victim relationship.
"Seduction" does KIND OF suggest that the person being seduced has a sexual interest in the person seducing them. I don't think an adult can sexually "seduce" a child since children are not interested in sex yet, but they COULD seduce an adolescent. And it doesn't have to be sex, people can seduced by money, power, fame, and perhaps even attention from an authority. Regardless, "seduce" is not necessarily a POSITIVE thing. More often than not it has negative connotations--i.e. she seduced him into murdering her husband.