Besides the very strong likelihood that Carole killed her husband (we don't have physical evidence, unfortunately), it is clear that she just has the goal to shut down her competition and become one of the most respected and influential facilities in America with the largest cat collection. I've been following the controversy between her and Joe for years. She has flat out stated that she wants all exotic cats to be gone from zoos by the year 2025, among other things:
It's too unlikely that she killed her husband. Her enemies painted that picture, and her husband was known to be a nutjob who would wander off to Costa Rica. Sorry but sardine oil and owning a meat grinder (that's way too small to do the job) just doesn't make a murderer. Carole's crime is that she wasn't upset that it happened.
Her sanctuary needs to be shut down though, as does Joe's.
The Scarface guy should still be in prison as well. How did he manage to only get 12 years when his men killed a federal agent and he oversaw the burning of the body?
At minimum she knows exactly what happened to her husband, and did everything she could to ensure she benefited as much as possible from his death. Including not having him declared dead for 5 years so that she could could buy up property under just her name, so his kids couldn't claim any of their inheritance.
At worst: She killed him herself, and fed him to her tigers.
The truth is probably somewhere in between.
All 3 of them are scumbags in their own unique ways.
Still not buying it. Right before Don's disappearance, Kenny said that Don spoke of a deal involving cars and Costa Rica and that it would be a miracle to pull it off. Don's van was found at the airport with the keys inside. If that was the last time he set foot on the ground, yeah, it might take 5 years to declare him dead.
All the accusations seem to revolve around legal stuff Carole did after he disappeared. Yeah, she benefited from his death. That's how it goes when your wealthy spouse dies.
What that Kenny guy said...that was virtually the only thing I heard that seemed to counter the overwhelming likelihood that she had a hand in her husband's disappearance. You think he could have been paid off, maybe?
Because I don't know man, that whole "In case of my disappearance" thing on the will? That was...think about it for a second. If someone asked you to make a will right now...would it ever occur to you to write "In the event of my disappearance"?
Just really bizarre there.
The will makes sense if you consider Don was aware he was getting into some risky stuff.
I never saw the likelihood to be overwhelming. It looks more like a narrative being painted by others who are upset at Carole for other reasons. The assumptions are how the conspiracy-minded work, especially when you don't have all the details. Think of all the assumptions made for Amelia Earhart, all because they never found a body. So we end up with one conspiracy after another.
For JFK, all it took was to misinterpret Connely's seat position, and the magic bullet was invented. For WTC, all the conspiracy theorists swore up and down that thermite was needed to melt steel, but the reality is it's not needed to bend it. And also fire was capable of spreading to building 7.
But the conspiracy theorists don't want to believe it. They want there to be something more, so that they can be on the cutting edge of knowledge.
I did stick to the subject. You on the other hand did not. Though you did provide a reasoning for that in your username.
The World Trade Center was an inside job!
Because you care more about being the one to tell the naysayers that you were right and they were wrong... instead of caring about the facts.
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Oh I get the propensity to want to feel like you know something you can't possibly, but this seems about as far from a conspiracy theory as the "conspiracy theory" that Epstein didn't kill himself.
This is the same type of circumstance, this theorizing. Because he'd filed a restraining order, he'd told people he thought she might hurt him, he'd filed for divorce, suddenly he disappears and it couldn't have been....Carol Baskins had absolutely everything to gain from that.
Sure there's reason to think he wan't killed, but you're talking about WTC, JFK etc and lumping those who think he was in with those who want to feel on the "cutting edge of knowledge." It seems like you're not giving...virtually any credence at all to all the indications that are pointing to...not just that foul play was possible, but a likelihood.
You seem too far into your own argument here, like maybe you're playing devil's advocate or just have some natural inclination to go against what you've decided is the herd mentality. I get it, you're smart...and its silly to "believe" anything right now. But whether or not people are simply indulging their need to feel like they know something, there's plenty to suggest that their opinions have merit and can't so easily be dismissed as conspiracy theorist fodder, you know?
Yeah I've no idea...but if he wasn't killed, then Baskins is just one incredibly, INCREDIBLY lucky lady.
Still, we know Don was an eccentric who liked to take excursions to Costa Rica and liked to fly his planes non chartered. Those facts alone made Carole Baskin a lottery winner. Of all the people to go missing, Don fit the profile. It's like people want to reject it because it makes too much sense. So they look for ways that maybe perhaps that reality was manipulated. In order to view Carole Baskin as the culprit, you have to start from her and work your way back to his disappearance, which leads to a dead end. That's a big problem.
Also, I'm glad you mentioned Epstein. There was a conspiracy, but it most likely wasn't that he didn't kill himself. He probably did as he was suicidal. What doesn't add up is how the guards would allow him. The conspiracy should be that the guards let him do it. But that's not good enough for conspiracy theorists. They want it to be as big as possible. So somebody sneaked in, killed him, got out, probably Bill Clinton himself, yada yada yada. It ties in so well with the PizzaGate hoax.
The five years is the legal minimum period before a missing person can be declared dead. Carole didn't avoid having him declared dead - indeed, she did it exactly five years and one day after he disappeared, so as soon as possible!
As to whether she killed him or not, I have no idea.
It's a 5 year MAXIMUM that someone can be missing before they are declared legally dead. He could have been declared dead at any time prior to that, but once someone is missing for 5 years, the police must declare them dead.
After a year, it was clear her husband was dead, but Carol didn't want him declared dead. Not because she was holding out hope that he was alive. It was because as long as he's considered alive, then she is still the only person allowed to spend "their" money. And according to show, she bought a ton of property, and put it under her name only. So once the 5 years expired, he's declared dead, and his will kicks in, which split "his" assets among Carol and his daughters. But that turned out to be much less than it would have been, since his kids weren't entitled to the property that only Carol owned.
There was no record of any plane having taken off. His van being at the airport is SO obviously a set up. Perhaps consider that Carole painted a picture of how nutty Don was?
Right. But I'm not saying he tried to fly a plane all the way to Costa Rica. If he hopped in his plane, took off, and crashed in the water, nobody will know where he went unless they miraculously find the wreckage which is next to impossible.
However let's not forget that you started with a lack of flight records, which you've now ditched to move over to distance being the reason Carole murdered her husband. It just gets sillier and sillier.
And the youtuber you linked has a tendency to favor conspiracy theories. It's a video about body language, but when he talks about Don flying to Costa Rica, he criticizes his inability to make it there instead of focusing on her body language. He criticizes her as being guilty because she's the only one to believe it, not because her body language makes it look like she's lying. Yet when that youtuber was discussing Robert Lazar's story, his video was entirely about body launguage. See the problem?
Nothing is silly, that's you saying that to convince yourself you're right. Carole said he was going to Costa Rica. His plane was too small to get there, so he would have had to use a documented flight. There is no evidence that happened. Did he randomly decide to go somewhere else and conveniently disappear to the benefit of Carole while she acted suspiciously at the time of his disappearance? If you watched the damn video, I don't know whatever conspiracy theory you're talking about but there is an old video clip of her saying he was going to fly out of Miami, which is a major airport. 12:20
Carole said maybe. She didn't say she knew for sure. There is no evidence that Carole planted the van at the airport so what's your point? Innocence is the default. Why is it different because it's Carole? Also Kenny said Don was about to engage in something very difficult to pull off right before going missing. Did Carole impersonate Don's voice too? Did Carole mind-control Kenny? There's no evidence Carole did anything. Even your body language expert guru guy doesn't seem too convinced that her body language suggests she's lying.
Where did you hear maybe? I'm hearing that she said he said he was going to Costa Rica, which is what he did often. Seems to me she used his frequent travel as an opportunity to make it seem like that's why he disappeared and planted his van. What do you think he meant by "difficult"? Why do you think that means something dangerous? I never said Carole should be indicted, there isn't enough evidence for that. There are many murderers walking around due to this and the police suspect them but can't prove it. I've seen many stories where someone confidently says they didn't do something and the police don't have any proof, only for evidence to show up 10+ years later and lead to a conviction. Usually someone who knew what happened reported them. If that doesn't happen one can get away with murder easily.
There has been many men convicted of murder with the circumstantial evidence they have against her. C'mon he just filed for divorce, told people she was dangerous, etc... She got away with murder IMO.
She got a raw deal on this stupid sensationalized piece of Netflix garbage. Her sanctuary is accredited and saves tigers from cruel circuses, backyard zoos, drug dealers dens. They even rescue injured cats, like bobcats, rehabilitate them then release them back into the wild.
It is well known in sanctuary circles that Carole changed her position on owning wild animals many years ago. I hope this stupid documentary doesn’t hurt the good work being done at her sanctuary to give captive big cats (ones that are unable to be released into the wild because they have no survival instincts. Many have been declawed and defanged too) a safe, healthy way to live out their lives in peace and comfort.
Lol who CARES if it is "accredited? Those are just made-up rules by special interest groups. She is accredited by the animal rights group "Global Federation Animal Sanctuaries". They accredit mostly farm sanctuaries that want to force everyone to go vegan and horse rescues.
Also accredited by World Animal Protection. PETA and ADI approve of them and their accreditation too. Surprise, surprise that a lot of vegans work in the animal rescue field. WTF is wrong with a horse rescue anyway?
Lol, World Animal Protection is not an accrediting body. Why are you doing Google searches trying to argue with me when you clearly don't even KNOW about this topic? You should have an understanding of who these organizations are instead of thinking they are impressive-sounding animal-helping groups so they must be good. Are you a radical animal rights nut? Even lay people know PETA is awful. They and ADI are animal rights nut groups. It's not that a lot of vegans work there, it's that the organizations THEMSELVES demand you become a vegan or you are a cruel person. The GFAS mostly accredits horse sanctuaries so why should I give a f_k what their opinion is on how well-run exotic animal zoos are? They probably mostly care that you adhere to their animal rights rules.
Yes and I have visited the sanctuary in Tampa. Went on a small guided tour, not allowed to touch animals, met very professional caretakers and on site vets. The caregivers post daily videos of their feeding rounds on all the social media platforms. They have live feed 24/7 cameras so you can watch the cats anytime just roaming around their big enclosures doing cat stuff. They even film the veterinary procedures from dental cleanings to tumor removals.
You are basing your opinion on this cheesy tabloid style Netflix show. And look at the rage in your replies. F bombs, capitalization? What is up with that? Crushing on Joe Exotic?
Ps - not a vegan though I hear too much red meat makes a person jump to conclusions.
Good so since you're bringing up my "rage" and fake claim that I love Joe you must realize you have NO argument against me. Your pathetic visit to Big Cat Rescue is useless. I formed my opinions TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO. So you can sit down.